Hot dogs

[JohnGannonsPerm]

Hot dogs, jumping frogs, Albuquerque.

I thought it was Albert Cookie not Albuquerque. Learn something new every day

 

[Sean Thornton]

Totally disagree, you can have your own selection created by our team, then invite different vendors in during different matches, have specific areas/ equipment provided for them, it’s down to them to provide a selection, they pay you a % of takings, which will encourage them to sell as much as possible.
Not all will work out not all will fail, but you will end up with a good balance. It’s a quality business manager and quality food and beverage manager with a plan.

So how does the club recover the cost of any “special equipment”? There’s no check on vendors sales. Two issues straight away.

You’d need a very good F&B manager to oversee a number of independent vendors, some of whom would not be happy signing any rent or lease agreement. Here’s another one, parking is at a premium at BL. Four stands. Where do the vendors park their vans etc. south Stand can probably cope, the other three. I’m afraid it’s always the same, people - understandably - want xyz but pay no heed to £SD or forget that the club is a business.

 

[Shakespeare blade]

So how does the club recover the cost of any “special equipment”? There’s no check on vendors sales. Two issues straight away.

You’d need a very good F&B manager to oversee a number of independent vendors, some of whom would not be happy signing any rent or lease agreement. Here’s another one, parking is at a premium at BL. Four stands. Where do the vendors park their vans etc. south Stand can probably cope, the other three. I’m afraid it’s always the same, people - understandably - want xyz but pay no heed to £SD or forget that the club is a business.

So you business plan is take the money upfront as there’s no possibility of us doing better with the correct infrastructure, ok then we should just except the situation we’re in shut up and let business opportunity pass us by .
Have you ever worked in this field as you seem very confident in your opinion.
Everything can be achieved, of course infrastructure will need investment, it should be on a 5 year plan anyway, clearly it’s not.
Pleat of companies provides equipment and infrastructure on lease deals, so no huge up front costs.
As we are a freehold beer companies would be happy to provide better infrastructure for free for guaranteed period of exclusivity.
The club already has the infrastructure for in-house catering, wages department, H&S & finance department, ordering/credit facility.
No one is saying it would be easy but one that needs addressing surely

 

[Bell4]

They’re inedible.

Was desperate the other week so bought a hot dog. The roll was rock hard and crumbled into saw dust at the first bite and the sausage was what I’d imagine chomping down on a great big rubber dildo would be like texture wise.

Managed two gob fulls and into the bin it went

I can confirm that it is indeed like chomping down on a big rubber dildo - your analogy is correct

A good, very very good friend told me this

 

[More Bladier than thou]

The food and alcohol is the worst thats its ever been, not to mention the terrible service. Vote with your wallet ! Lets force the change.

 

[Tezza1889]

I bought the kid a sausage roll when he was about 8, we used to go on John St "family stand" back then.

It was 3 quid for one sausage roll back then, worst thing was we'd park up near the Moor and walked past greggs..

The real problem though was it had been in that warmer for about 10 hours, when he bit into it, it crumbled all over the floor like medusa had stared it down, leaving what looked like a shrivelled up old cock in his hand.


£3 fucking quid for that sight, you never get over it..

 

[Carlton Blade]

If you outsource to the cheapest bidder, this is what you get

 

[Shakespeare blade]

If you outsource to the cheapest bidder, this is what you get

I don’t very much they were the cheapest

 

[segasonic]

I thought it was Albert Cookie not Albuquerque. Learn something new every day

There's a scene in Spaced where Daisy is singing 'Alma Cookies'. Don't think anyone corrects her

 

[Carlton Blade]

I don’t very much they were the cheapest

Based on everything since relegation I pretty much guarantee they were

 

[robbiez666]

I think it's a fair point to make that using someone like Compass means you get a guaranteed amount upfront and little oversight. You could have vans in like at festivals who pay for a pitch but how much money are they going to make over such a short period.

Went to the Olympic Stadium in Berlin. They have food and drink places in the car park. You but your stuff and carry it into the stand. That's the only way you could do it successfully but BDTBL is not built for that.

I assume we have one person employed at the club who deals with the catering side, at most. If you wanted to use a number of different street food places you'd need several employees being paid a wage.

 

[Shakespeare blade]

Based on everything since relegation I pretty much guarantee they were

Normally the contractor pays a fee, so they probably offered the largest chunk, not all contracts are set up like this but as you say since relegation I would presume this is the case

 

[Sean Thornton]

So you business plan is take the money upfront as there’s no possibility of us doing better with the correct infrastructure, ok then we should just except the situation we’re in shut up and let business opportunity pass us by .
Have you ever worked in this field as you seem very confident in your opinion.
Everything can be achieved, of course infrastructure will need investment, it should be on a 5 year plan anyway, clearly it’s not.
Pleat of companies provides equipment and infrastructure on lease deals, so no huge up front costs.
As we are a freehold beer companies would be happy to provide better infrastructure for free for guaranteed period of exclusivity.
The club already has the infrastructure for in-house catering, wages department, H&S & finance department, ordering/credit facility.
No one is saying it would be easy but one that needs addressing surely

Sorry but whatever you do l’m not going to get into a detailed discussion with someone who believes the catering market increases to 28000 by offering better quality. It’s a ridiculous statement.

I worked for a company that provided retail outlets with products. It’s was a tough market the , more so now. You may have noticed prices increasing. Large concerns have more control over suppliers. I fully understand budgets and profit margins and the logistical issues hence my comments. Which come from actual experience a step up from just buying a pie and a pint at half time.

Initially though, using a number of independent vendors, do you really believe the infrastructure is in place? How would that work on the Kop for example. ( I’m talking food here, not drinks, which is a different thing) where people moan game in game out.

All you’ve done is ignore the rather obvious drawbacks, put you l know best hat on and said jam tomorrow. Maybe. Why not tell me why my reasons are wrong rather than just make an overall claim?

Your starting point would be the investment required by the club and the number of vendors deemed suitable for quality food. Then their pricing. I’d imagine the one financial guarantee is a fee for awarding a contract. All you provide is a “Be Reyt” scenario where the risk that even you acknowledge falls squarely on the club. Other peoples money eh?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sorry but whatever you do l’m not going to get into a detailed discussion with someone who believes the catering market increases to 28000 by offering better quality. It’s a ridiculous statement.

I worked for a company that provided retail outlets with products. It’s was a tough market the , more so now. You may have noticed prices increasing. Large concerns have more control over suppliers. I fully understand budgets and profit margins and the logistical issues hence my comments. Which come from actual experience a step up from just buying a pie and a pint at half time.

Initially though, using a number of independent vendors, do you really believe the infrastructure is in place? How would that work on the Kop for example. ( I’m talking food here, not drinks, which is a different thing) where people moan game in game out.

All you’ve done is ignore the rather obvious drawbacks, put you l know best hat on and said jam tomorrow. Maybe. Why not tell me why my reasons are wrong rather than just make an overall claim?

Your starting point would be the investment required by the club and the number of vendors deemed suitable for quality food. Then their pricing. I’d imagine the one financial guarantee is a fee for awarding a contract. All you provide is a “Be Reyt” scenario where the risk that even you acknowledge falls squarely on the club. Other peoples money eh?

Oh, and l’m not arguing against change. Stopped buying at the ground years ago. My only point is regarding the simple solutions some come up with which fixes everything despite them having no idea of how things work. A misplaced confidence in their own abilities for a few.

Better quality, pay more. How do you calculate how many that adds to the market and how many it drives away?

 

[Nicesheffielder]

Hot dogs, jumping frogs, Albuquerque.

Brilliant have a clap bud

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Brilliant have a clap bud

Get the clap and have a Bud?

 

[Shakespeare blade]

Sorry but whatever you do l’m not going to get into a detailed discussion with someone who believes the catering market increases to 28000 by offering better quality. It’s a ridiculous statement.

I worked for a company that provided retail outlets with products. It’s was a tough market the , more so now. You may have noticed prices increasing. Large concerns have more control over suppliers. I fully understand budgets and profit margins and the logistical issues hence my comments. Which come from actual experience a step up from just buying a pie and a pint at half time.

Initially though, using a number of independent vendors, do you really believe the infrastructure is in place? How would that work on the Kop for example. ( I’m talking food here, not drinks, which is a different thing) where people moan game in game out.

All you’ve done is ignore the rather obvious drawbacks, put you l know best hat on and said jam tomorrow. Maybe. Why not tell me why my reasons are wrong rather than just make an overall claim?

Your starting point would be the investment required by the club and the number of vendors deemed suitable for quality food. Then their pricing. I’d imagine the one financial guarantee is a fee for awarding a contract. All you provide is a “Be Reyt” scenario where the risk that even you acknowledge falls squarely on the club. Other peoples money eh?

Wow I stand corrected, I’ve said quite clearly you have your own infrastructure and allow vendors to come in and add diversity to the offerings.
Don’t think I said we would have 28,000 but you would have them as a targeted audience.
It’s clear you have no experience but that’s ok as unlike yourself it’s not personal it’s just a difference of opinion, I believe we can still do that, but I’m sure you will still correct me though.
As I also stated infrastructure would need to be improved and a monetary commitment.
It depends what you see as important, treat your customers as mugs and serve them shit or try to improve the experience for them.
Food costs have gone up, thanks again for pointing that out, I’m not sure but i think some food outlets still manage to make a profit.
Whilst you maybe right some areas may not be ideal for outside catering but there has been great strives forward to set up outside pods at low costs again not all areas will be suitable but to just suck it up and say there’s no alternative is naive at best.
I want better simple as that if you don’t fair enough.

 

[Johnstreetstand]

Trouble is following the Bean Counters over sensible and careful business practices you get Dildo flavoured hot dogs . Dare to dream of entrepreneurship and diversity of choice and maybe the tastebuds will be stimulated.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Wow I stand corrected, I’ve said quite clearly you have your own infrastructure and allow vendors to come in and add diversity to the offerings.
Don’t think I said we would have 28,000 but you would have them as a targeted audience.
It’s clear you have no experience but that’s ok as unlike yourself it’s not personal it’s just a difference of opinion, I believe we can still do that, but I’m sure you will still correct me though.
As I also stated infrastructure would need to be improved and a monetary commitment.
It depends what you see as important, treat your customers as mugs and serve them shit or try to improve the experience for them.
Food costs have gone up, thanks again for pointing that out, I’m not sure but i think some food outlets still manage to make a profit.
Whilst you maybe right some areas may not be ideal for outside catering but there has been great strives forward to set up outside pods at low costs again not all areas will be suitable but to just suck it up and say there’s no alternative is naive at best.
I want better simple as that if you don’t fair enough.

I agree with what you say, however this has all started this week again over a sausage butty. People dont expect a premium sausage, they however expect it to look cooked (iam sure it was cooked, just looked nearly raw) and fresh bread. These do no cost more, just food basics that consumers expect.Dry as fuck inedible bread is not acceptable anywhere catering and if people can’t cook sausages properly, they shouldn’t be working with food. We dont demand premium food at football grounds but we fucking pay a premium. Compass are lazy, inadequate and frankly taking the piss of supporters at this point.

 

[TimofeeVee]

He did say fan experience was something he would look at improving so maybe he did mean the snap?

Singing section!!

 

[TimofeeVee]

The contract signed will not allow the club to do this, all of the food and drink has to go through Compass, they will pay for the privilege.
Unfortunately the club getting a set fee every year with very little involvement clearly is the way they want to proceed.
The level of food/ service/ quality will never change unless people stop giving them money it’s that simple but people just can’t do it .
It’s so short sighted from a commercial side, 28,000 all wanting to drink and eat because it’s a quality offering would be worth a small fortune but you have to be willing to put the effort in

Yes, vote with our feet. I can't think of another situation I'd consider spending that much, for such low quality!

Love a challenge me, no more food or drink in the ground it is!

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Compass are lazy, inadequate and frankly taking the piss of supporters at this point.

This is true. They don't change because people keep buying their shit. Until they start selling less or actually get called out properly on social media (because that's as good as anything nowadays), they won't change. Profits will stay as they are. I saw a post claiming they'll pay 200k a year (we don't know the figure). All they'll do is chase that. And the easiest way to do that is buy cheap sell high. We can all go and buy 100 Bridge rolls from the shops, so what's the excuse for the shit dry bread? There isn't one. Again, they know roughly how many of each product they sell, so why aren't they prepared properly?

Argue all day about logistics, the investment needed etc etc, but yet again, thats dodging the issue at hand. The food is fuckin shit. Is asking compass for an improvement too much to ask? I'd like to know the mark up on their shit to be honest.

 

[Freddie]

Saw a family walking back after half time with five yes five absolutely disgusting looking hot dogs

Hate it when people flaunt their wealth in public.

 

[Tom Bott]

It’s clear you have no experience

I can see yours is limited also.

'Targeted customer base of 28,000', if you have read all the posts you will have seen that more than 50% have no intention of buying anything.

Then your targeted audience all want serving during 2 x 15 minute periods - once per week.

Festival food vendors have a 12/14 hour window for sales, not 15 minutes.
More time in one day than an entire season of matches at the Lane.

A bank manager would laugh your business plan out of the door.

Yes I have run my own business for 40 years, and yes I have also managed a fast food outlet.

The Admiral chippy can't make A Salt and Battered (London Road) pay, and that was open for 2,1/2 hours pre match.

Business plans are always great for those who have no risk involved.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

View attachment 153562These were the prices at Cardiff City earlier this season. There wasn't 1 person queuing. They must have thrown 90% of the food away.

Nah
Available next match day

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I bought the kid a sausage roll when he was about 8, we used to go on John St "family stand" back then.

It was 3 quid for one sausage roll back then, worst thing was we'd park up near the Moor and walked past greggs..

The real problem though was it had been in that warmer for about 10 hours, when he bit into it, it crumbled all over the floor like medusa had stared it down, leaving what looked like a shrivelled up old cock in his hand.


£3 fucking quid for that sight, you never get over it..

I know folk that will pay FAR more than 3 quid for the sight of a “shrivelled up old cock” in their hand

 

[Withington Blade]

People are daft enough to buy them, same with the piss they pass off as beer. Stop buying the stuff & the catering company will up sticks. If people had any sense they'd fill up before the game, far better quality from the burger vans dotted around the ground.

Far better quality is possibly pushing it a little, but I take your point, and they’re definitely cheaper

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wow I stand corrected, I’ve said quite clearly you have your own infrastructure and allow vendors to come in and add diversity to the offerings.
Don’t think I said we would have 28,000 but you would have them as a targeted audience.
It’s clear you have no experience but that’s ok as unlike yourself it’s not personal it’s just a difference of opinion, I believe we can still do that, but I’m sure you will still correct me though.
As I also stated infrastructure would need to be improved and a monetary commitment.
It depends what you see as important, treat your customers as mugs and serve them shit or try to improve the experience for them.
Food costs have gone up, thanks again for pointing that out, I’m not sure but i think some food outlets still manage to make a profit.
Whilst you maybe right some areas may not be ideal for outside catering but there has been great strives forward to set up outside pods at low costs again not all areas will be suitable but to just suck it up and say there’s no alternative is naive at best.
I want better simple as that if you don’t fair enough.

I rather think that you don’t have a cogent argument but are just trying to back some financial snowflake up.

You did say 28k without mentioning how many there are now. You state the infrastructure is there but then say some equipment would be needed for vendors. You’ve ignored logistical issues getting vendors and their equipment into all four stands. You asked what experience l had - without disclosing your own - and once told play the immature internet don’t believe you card. Bit pathetic really. You be far better of dealing with my points with a decent rebuttal rather than puffing your chest out acting the knight in shining armour.

A less onerous task would be linking me to the post where l’ve claimed no outlets make a profit. The issue is whether independents tinning the show. You could also explain how the % of takings due to the club could be secured. Link all the tills to United system? More cost.

You’re struggling kid, and have resorted to cliches and misrepresentation. Twas ever thus on here.

 

[Canterbury Blade]

I tel you what. Was a guest in John St all you can eat and drink buffet vs Stoke box. It was very good. Shows they can do it when they want. Service v good via a tablet. Press a picture of your drink and it arrives in 3 minutes.

2 limitations were biggest gin size was only a double ( I expect a home pour nowadays at least 6 rations in a boule) and best ale was Neck Oil. Oh and we had to keep hiding behind a curtain to drink it when game was on. Anyway point being good grub can be done with a will and I suppose 3 grand…

Ps Henderson’s sausage rolls on South Stand are fair fodder.

 

[Rodley]

You really shouldn't be. It's way more in touch with reality than the BBC.