Honest discussion about the atmosphere

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Have you ever tried to start a chant on the kop when you're not sat at the back?

Everyone around you just looks at you like you're from Mars.

Its unfortunate, but it HAS to be initiated from the back of the kop or it just doesn't happen.

No, I haven’t tried to start a chant, either from the back of the Kop or indeed from any other part of the ground. But luckily, that’s not the problem, because there are plenty of people who do start chants from the back of the Kop. When that happens, I almost always join in from my position mid-way down the Kop. Nobody has ever looked at me as though I’m from Mars ( well, at least not for singing at a football match, anyway). A few join in - perhaps inspired in part by my efforts. But the majority just sit there in silence. That’s the problem with trying to create an atmosphere.
If people don’t want to sing, then fine - I have no problem with that. But in my opinion, they then forfeit the right to complain about the lack of atmosphere. If you want it, make it happen. There are no excuses.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

T shirts fired into the stands and cheerleaders will help

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

No, I haven’t tried to start a chant, either from the back of the Kop or indeed from any other part of the ground. But luckily, that’s not the problem, because there are plenty of people who do start chants from the back of the Kop. When that happens, I almost always join in from my position mid-way down the Kop. Nobody has ever looked at me as though I’m from Mars ( well, at least not for singing at a football match, anyway). A few join in - perhaps inspired in part by my efforts. But the majority just sit there in silence. That’s the problem with trying to create an atmosphere.
If people don’t want to sing, then fine - I have no problem with that. But in my opinion, they then forfeit the right to complain about the lack of atmosphere. If you want it, make it happen. There are no excuses.

I'd be very surprised if the people complaining about no atmosphere on here don't join in with chants. That would take a level of genuine bell-end hypocrisy that most people aren't capable of achieving.

 

[cahill]

I do t think I’ll ever understand this mentality of needing other people to behave a certain way to feel somehow better about a situation you’re in.

Some people sing, some people don’t. I don’t see why it’s a huge issue for some.

Well said. Some fowk complain abhaat owt.

I don’t think this is good enough so you need to …

 

[Sean Thornton]

I moan about the atmosphere which is agreement with thousands of others, I moan about brewster, which is in agreement with 99% of others. Never ever moan if we lose or kick off about the team. So I'm moaning for things that I think will help the club. Do you not agree safe standing areas, a reset on all season tickets so like minded people can be together would benefit the club? Surely you do?

Yes l do. But where exactly have l said l’m against a better atmosphere? Or against a singing section, or standing areas? I pointed out that when someone tried to sort something out it died a death very quickly because many went missing.

The atmosphere isn’t great at the minute as we’re often grinding out results and there’s tension over one goal leads.

And let’s be honest, the only fans who would be truly affected by forced seat changes will be those near the back of the Kop who don’t want to stand or whatever. Who decides who can qualify for those seats? An issue again for the club but not for people such as yourself to have to consider. It’s easy this moaning lark.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Yes l do. But where exactly have l said l’m against a better atmosphere? Or against a singing section, or standing areas? I pointed out that when someone tried to sort something out it died a death very quickly because many went missing.

The atmosphere isn’t great at the minute as we’re often grinding out results and there’s tension over one goal leads.

And let’s be honest, the only fans who would be truly affected by forced seat changes will be those near the back of the Kop who don’t want to stand or whatever. Who decides who can qualify for those seats? An issue again for the club but not for people such as yourself to have to consider. It’s easy this moaning lark.

I wasn't really active on the board back when Ricky tried to get the singing section on BLUT. If I was I'd have told him it wasn't a great idea because most that like "singing" (lol) like being on the Kop and don't want to go elsewhere.

 

[Brewster Cost £70 million]

The only people who can create an atmosphere are us, the fans, aided and abettedby what goes on on the pitch.
It can't be created artificially (well, it can't at Bramall Lane where we're quite a dour bunch!), so it's down to us. Me and Esteemed Forgeblade stand on row XX on the kop. The standing continues for about 3 rows in front of us. The people around us (and us) don't shout and sing all the time, but we do when there's summat to sing and shout about. I think that's part of the problem. Firstly, there must be something of a hangover from the recent appalling seasons in the PL. If that's the prize, who wants it? Secondly, we are doing well, I'm not going to slag the team off, but generally it's not very exciting to watch. It's competent football, but it's not Nuddy dismantling Leeds, or Paul thingy (Brummy lad, Warnock signing, late 90's), tearing down the right wing, or Michael Brown just chancing his arm, having a pop and it going in! Or even the Wilder league 1 season, or those cup games when we were in league 1. There was nowt wrong with the atmosphere on Saturday when Gus's screamer went in, but perhaps it didn't continue because the team didn't. We don't, by and large, play like that any more.
Times change, and football has changed too, not always for the better. I think a more open and risky style of play could result in a louder crowd, but it could also result in a less favourable league position. People just don't get excited about risk averse football.

Paul Devlin

 

[Ned the Donkey]

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Paul Devlin

That's the lad!! Cheers mate!

 

[Brewster Cost £70 million]

That's the lad!! Cheers mate!

No worries pal

 

[Houston_Blade]

Everyone around you just looks at you like you're from Mars.

That’s the pre match crackpipe in full effect, you should move to a more civilised area of the ground, the worst you’ll get elsewhere is chafing from the tweed blanket of your neighbour and tinnitus from the continuous rustle of Werthers wrappers being opened.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

Haven't been to BL in years but was a STH on back of the kop for years and it wasn't a great atmosphere back then.

Solution(s) would he a standing area at front of kop, convert away end lower tier a "home" end or maybe front of away end upper tier a standing area?

We'd only establish a consistent home atmosphere by being an established premier league team anyway - apart from home games against Brentford, Bournemouth etc, I'm sure the crowd would be more vocal every home game barring a 0-4 drubbing at half time obviously.

 

[Foxy]

It was poorly organised and not helped by the army of people on this forum rubbishing the idea from the off.

Or the attitude towards others from various people most vocal about it.

 

[dexter101]

Can tell I haven't slept much recently. Just read the title of this thread as Horniest discussion about the atmosphere.

Shall I start a new thread?

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

What happened to the singing section in the BLUT? Don’t think there were any ST’s there.

If i remember correctly you were one of the most vocal voices on the forum that turned your nose up at it

Amongst many of the prawn sandwich brigade

 

[Gin&Juice]

If i remember correctly you were one of the most vocal voices on the forum that turned your nose up at it

Amongst many of the prawn sandwich brigade

That’s why he’s brought it up..

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

The solution to the atmosphere problem is simple IMO

Put rail sitting on the KOP and put 500 / 1000 fans in between the poles behind the net and tell them there the singing section

I’m sure there will be a few hundred KOP season ticket holders put out of joint but so what just move a bit further back or stay where you are sat and sing


Atmospheres have generally got worse across England but a out of clubs out effort into improving this


Arsenal have a great atmosphere when they were once considered having the worst


Newcastle have Tifos most weeks etc etc …

 

[Dkc]

Still not seen a single suggestion of what we can realistically do, with what we've actually got to work with

Safe standing on the JS / Kop corner stand should be relatively cheap to do. Could be done during the summer.

 

[blade too long]

smart phones are to blame in part as everyone is watching scores in other games and even checking how they are reporting on our game on live text

no one took a phone to a game and saw woodward and currie etc for 90 minutes with just 2 or 3 with radios supplying scores
its like we miss half a game now surfing sites


just watch the match and engage with and enhance the atmosphere,

 

[alcoblade]

smart phones are to blame in part as everyone is watching scores in other games and even checking how they are reporting on our game on live text


just watch the match and engage with the atmosphere

I sit at the back of the kop - there's hardly anyone looking at their phones at any one time. It's just the the supporter base has, on average, become old there. The (unofficial) singing sections are just too fragmented these days - it's really that simple.

 

[blade too long]

I sit at the back of the kop - there's hardly anyone looking at their phones at any one time. It's just the the supporter base has, on average, become old there. The (unofficial) singing sections are just too fragmented these days - it's really that simple.

lets get church choir outfits to make it easier to spot the singing section

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I sit at the back of the kop - there's hardly anyone looking at their phones at any one time. It's just the the supporter base has, on average, become old there. The (unofficial) singing sections are just too fragmented these days - it's really that simple.

I may be old but I'm still a goer. Once someone helps me up that is.

 

[BladeByChoice]

I sit at the back of the kop - there's hardly anyone looking at their phones at any one time. It's just the the supporter base has, on average, become old there. The (unofficial) singing sections are just too fragmented these days - it's really that simple.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.

Many of our fan base refuse to accept that Sheffield United is a business, the fans are customers, the players are commodities and the infrastructure are assets.

The club is driven by financial targets not atmosphere, the club want the most income generated from the least number of customers, 500 people paying £20 is better than 1000 paying £10 in the clubs eyes, less people to police and clean up after for the same return.

What we spend in the stadium is irrelevant because the caterers have already paid the contract, if they sell 1 pie or 1 million, the club get the same.

So we have 2 options

If we want supporters groups involved and some involvement from the club, prove to the club that this will generate more income.

If we want things to happen organically then its up to us to take a look at ourselves and decide how we want to support the club.

if you’re in one of the atmosphere generating areas of the ground but just want to sit down and watch the game, that great, its your money and you can enjoy the football in any way you see fit, but is it fair to spend the game moaning that you can’t see when everybody around you wants to stand up.

If we all took an honest look at ourselves and moved to a part of the ground that provides the supporter experience that we want, the atmosphere would take care of itself.

 

[BelgianBlade]

Just for comparison, I went to a couple of games while briefly back in Belgium/the Netherlands the weekend before last, and here's a taste of the atmosphere at a dire 1-1 mid-table draw between Standard Liège and OH Leuven in a howling December gale, even with just 12,000 people or so in a 30,000-capacity stadium:

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This sort of thing went on for a full 94 minutes, and it was all down to a few relatively small groups sitting together -- it's only a couple of blocks at opposite ends of the second tier making all that noise, with the rest of the crowd simply groaning South Stand-style at every heavy touch and misplaced pass. Not saying we need to go full 'ultra' at Bramall Lane, but it goes to show it only takes a fraction of the ground to get themselves organised to completely change the vibe...

 

[Sean Thornton]

If i remember correctly you were one of the most vocal voices on the forum that turned your nose up at it

Amongst many of the prawn sandwich brigade

If i remember correctly you were one of the most vocal voices on the forum that turned your nose up at it

Amongst many of the prawn sandwich brigade

As usual you’re spouting bollocks. My issue was that l thought it should be instinctive and evolve naturally and not be organised like Palace. Since then is been about the number of people who were all over it, but after Ricky’s hard work, were as apathetic as any prawn sandwich brigade.

How an utter clown like you can try to play the bigger blade card is laughable. Stick to your weird self promotion and numerous accounts to attempt it.

 

[Houston_Blade]

smart phones are to blame in part as everyone is watching scores in other games and even checking how they are reporting on our game on live text

no one took a phone to a game and saw woodward and currie etc for 90 minutes with just 2 or 3 with radios supplying scores
its like we miss half a game now surfing sites


just watch the match and engage with and enhance the atmosphere,

You must have the only smart phone that gets signal in the ground because it’s a waste of time even looking at mine during the game.

 

[BarcaBlade]

The atmosphere isn’t great at the minute as we’re often grinding out results and there’s tension over one goal leads.

Hard to bring that out as a reason for the game against Oxford.

 

[richblade]

Just get everyone with a phone to turn the volume up to the max for the Greasy Chip Butty song
and then random applause crowd cheering sound effects during the game

 

[BarcaBlade]

My issue was that l thought it should be instinctive and evolve naturally and not be organised like Palace.

My question is, 'why not be organised like Palace?'

 

[Sean Thornton]

My question is, 'why not be organised like Palace?'

As in drums flags and glad all over. Manufactured.