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alcoblade said:
Barney has held his belief from about the second week of Adkins tenure. That is indefensible (by most)

We've fallen 2 divisions from the premiership, run up huge debts, lost all direction off the field and sold off lots of infrastructure. None of that is to do with Adkins. Anyone who describes falling a further 6 places in the league (and has been doing so from 1,2,3,4,5 places) as "ruining the club" is beyond stupid, and you relentlessly backing him does you no favours.

At the end of this season we will have jettisoned a squad (almost) full of shite, only a small amount of Adkins' making. But to that end, we will have moved forward somewhat.

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I don't know. Have we sold 'infrastructure'? I see we have retained teh academy (for no net gain on the pitch or off the pitch of late) and have jizzed £1m+ on a new playing surface. We have sold playing staff for no apparent reason and replaced them with inferior stock and are left with the residuals, players barely at their level (and above their level in most cases) whom no club in any division with the right cash offer would dream of and who are eagerly waiting for their contracts to expire so they can snap them up to get out of the Conference or Div four. Look at our former lot at Pompey. If we reatined the services of messrs Doyle, Davies, McNulty and Freeman, can you honestly say they'd have us any more than two places higher than we are at present? I know McNulty is cracking them in for the Mushers, but remember Evans? Couldn't his a cow's arse with a fucking banjo in the Championship but when up against Div three defences, suddenly he is Alan Shearer. McNulty won't see half the goals next season if Pompey retain him and they are promoted.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
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I don't know. Have we sold 'infrastructure'? I see we have retained teh academy (for no net gain on the pitch or off the pitch of late) and have jizzed £1m+ on a new playing surface. We have sold playing staff for no apparent reason and replaced them with inferior stock and are left with the residuals, players barely at their level (and above their level in most cases) whom no club in any division with the right cash offer would dream of and who are eagerly waiting for their contracts to expire so they can snap them up to get out of the Conference or Div four. Look at our former lot at Pompey. If we reatined the services of messrs Doyle, Davies, McNulty and Freeman, can you honestly say they'd have us any more than two places higher than we are at present? I know McNulty is cracking them in for the Mushers, but remember Evans? Couldn't his a cow's arse with a fucking banjo in the Championship but when up against Div three defences, suddenly he is Alan Shearer. McNulty won't see half the goals next season if Pompey retain him and they are promoted.

pommpey
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Absolutely, and look at DCL, scored 7 or 8 at Northampton and looked completely lost for the most part on Saturday only a division higher. That's the 1st time I've seen him in the flesh but it backed up what others have said over the last few games.

Re infrastructure, we're very much a Premier League club but as was the case in the 1st few years of McCabe's reign, we seem to have lost the same drive and planning on the pitch.
 
Smirth said:
Agreed.

Scougall, Woolford, Coutts, Brayford, Freeman, McNulty, Basham, Done, Wallace (possibly, its hard to find confirmation of his contract length), De Girolamo, Reed, DCL are all under contract still next season. Most of them have all hugely underachieved this season and it won't be simple to find them new clubs.

Hammond will almost definitely be signing IMO and I wouldn't be surprised to see McEveley get a new deal either.

I feel there's going to be a lot of the same underachievers lacking the fight here still next season.
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But that still leaves Howard, Harris, Flynn, Collins, McGahey, McFadzean, Cuvelier, Edgar, JCR, Sammon. If, as I think is the case, J. Wallace is also out of contract, that makes a full team potentially out the door as well as the possibility (but not certainty) of moving on Freeman, Scougall, McNulty, possibly a couple more like Coutts or Woolford.

Having around 12 leave should surely free up enough funds to bring in 5 or 6 of better quality.
 
PokerBlade said:
This is a shining example of someone attempting to write in the way they think smart sounds. Try to be at least a little bit intelligible.
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It reminds me of the Friends episode when Joey uses a thesaurus on every word to make his letter seem clever.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
But that still leaves Howard, Harris, Flynn, Collins, McGahey, McFadzean, Cuvelier, Edgar, JCR, Sammon. If, as I think is the case, J. Wallace is also out of contract, that makes a full team potentially out the door as well as the possibility (but not certainty) of moving on Freeman, Scougall, McNulty, possibly a couple more like Coutts or Woolford.

Having around 12 leave should surely free up enough funds to bring in 5 or 6 of better quality.
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But who is going to take Freeman, Coutts and Woolford in particular off our hands? I can't think of a team who would want 3 under performing players on no doubt very very healthy contracts. I think McNulty may have suitors as he is one who has scored consistently during his 2 years in England. Scougall may do as well.
 
Smirth said:
But who is going to take Freeman, Coutts and Woolford in particular off our hands? I can't think of a team who would want 3 under performing players on no doubt very very healthy contracts. I think McNulty may have suitors as he is one who has scored consistently during his 2 years in England. Scougall may do as well.
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Clough would take Coutts and maybe even Freeman, as well as Brayford of course.

I wouldn't be overly bothered if Woolford was a back up squad player for next season.
 
pommpey said:
and have jizzed £1m+ on a new playing surface
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Vic, the pitch was shite and needed sorting out

Sadly, I don't think that the £1M you quote, invested in transfer fees, wages and agents pockets, would have made the difference between promotion or mid-table this season
 
Woodwaaard said:
Vic, the pitch was shite and needed sorting out

Sadly, I don't think that the £1M you quote, invested in transfer fees, wages and agents pockets, would have made the difference between promotion or mid-table this season
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I look at Championship sides currently clogging away on shit pitches and think, "I'd swap their position for the Desso."

I'm not saying it should be pumped back into the transfer market. Why did we sell Murphy a year after he'd signed a contract for us, for an undisclosed fee, and why is McCabe telling us that his money has already been spent?

pommpey
 
Bert said:
Bert has never quite believed the quoted cost of the pitch, an Internet search suggests it was much less.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/192023/Wembley-s-new-250-000-Desso-pitch
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And yet if Bert were to examine the difference in how much Everton invested three years later and adjusted for inflation, maybe £1m is neareer the mark.

Either way, spending anything on the pitch and selling your best player then announcing the money has gone must raise some concern in Bert's mind that given our crap performance on this 'Rolls Royce' of surfaces, it has proven to be a gash investment.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
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I don't know. Have we sold 'infrastructure'? I see we have retained teh academy (for no net gain on the pitch or off the pitch of late) and have jizzed £1m+ on a new playing surface. We have sold playing staff for no apparent reason and replaced them with inferior stock and are left with the residuals, players barely at their level (and above their level in most cases) whom no club in any division with the right cash offer would dream of and who are eagerly waiting for their contracts to expire so they can snap them up to get out of the Conference or Div four. Look at our former lot at Pompey. If we reatined the services of messrs Doyle, Davies, McNulty and Freeman, can you honestly say they'd have us any more than two places higher than we are at present? I know McNulty is cracking them in for the Mushers, but remember Evans? Couldn't his a cow's arse with a fucking banjo in the Championship but when up against Div three defences, suddenly he is Alan Shearer. McNulty won't see half the goals next season if Pompey retain him and they are promoted.

pommpey
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The infrastructure I was referring to was;

Hotel / health clubs/ foreign ventures. Actually, it was a sideshow that led to debt.

The separation of the football club from the assets. Not something I care much about, but it seems many do.

Overall, I agree with the gist of your post, but my point still holds in my opinion.

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
Barney has held his belief from about the second week of Adkins tenure. That is indefensible (by most)

We've fallen 2 divisions from the premiership, run up huge debts, lost all direction off the field and sold off lots of infrastructure. None of that is to do with Adkins. Anyone who describes falling a further 6 places in the league (and has been doing so from 1,2,3,4,5 places) as "ruining the club" is beyond stupid, and you relentlessly backing him does you no favours.

At the end of this season we will have jettisoned a squad (almost) full of shite, only a small amount of Adkins' making. But to that end, we will have moved forward somewhat.

UTB
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Sorry alco, i don't keep tabs on how long somebody has held an opinion. Is it not possible to discuss anything now without you resorting to having a dig Barney you need to get beyond this obsession that you have with him

As you will see from my post, i was arguing both sides of what he was saying without the prejudice and guess what, yet again i disagreed with his overall opinion... Unless of course you read just the second paragraph. The ironic (some would say moronic) part of what you have just babbled on about, is that the killer line in my post is the first one... you know, the one where i proclaimed that your statement in response to Barney was true.

if you can't accept that people will agree with some people that you don't like, then don't bother debating with me, it seems like it will send your precious little blood pressure through the roof.

In if you can, try and do it with a little bit of a sense of humour ;)
 



Ben_1982 said:
Essentially it cost a lot more than the 800k-1mill. The undersoil heating, draining, reservoir were all upgraded also
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Bert doesn't take into account the cost of contractors on site, former soil disposal, , laying of ancillary systems, etc.

Not sure, but I believe the club issued something to the melody of it costing a million. 'Course, Murphy had already had his bags packed for him by then, hadn't he.

"Jamie ... look at that pitch."
"Aye. Cannae wait tae be tearing up and doon the wing there ... "
"Oh, yeah?"

pommpey
 
Money was earmarked for the pitch from the FA Cup run proceeds. Pretty sure Jim quoted a cost of £950k in the same announcement.
 
Smirth said:
But who is going to take Freeman, Coutts and Woolford in particular off our hands? I can't think of a team who would want 3 under performing players on no doubt very very healthy contracts. I think McNulty may have suitors as he is one who has scored consistently during his 2 years in England. Scougall may do as well.
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Possibly nobody. Possibly league 2 teams in some sort of, we pay half their wages type deal. My point was even though we have a few of the bad uns knocking about, most will be out of contract and released hopefully allowing us to bring better quality into the first team.
 
The pitch was installed purely to increase revenue streams, by allowing United to host all manner of occasions such as rugby games, boxing matches, concerts and all other manner of big events. So far the only thing booked in is some nitro circus crap.

Meanwhile having this nice Desso surface has improved absolutely nothing footballing wise. I remember times when the Bramall Lane playing surface has been an absolute cabbage patch and played to our advantage. Case in point is 2 games a couple of years ago against Forest and Fulham where it was a rain sodden, mud bath and we adapted to the conditions better.

I would even go as far as to say that it is adding to the attraction to supposedly lesser teams to come to the Lane, nice big ground, playing surface like a billiard table, gives them every motivation to showcase their skills and inspires them to up their game and come away from the Lane with a result, which given the current crop of cunts plying their trade in the famous red and white stripes (sorry, white with red pinstripes).

It doesn't matter if it cost £250k or £1m. It hasn't been a good investment so far, as we haven't been managed well enough both on or off the pitch to fully utilise it to see a return on our investment, and given the current powers that be at Bramall Lane I can't see it being any more than a white elephant for the time being.
 
pommpey said:
Bert doesn't take into account the cost of contractors on site, former soil disposal, , laying of ancillary systems, etc.

Not sure, but I believe the club issued something to the melody of it costing a million. 'Course, Murphy had already had his bags packed for him by then, hadn't he.

"Jamie ... look at that pitch."
"Aye. Cannae wait tae be tearing up and doon the wing there ... "
"Oh, yeah?"

pommpey
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I thought Murph was Scottish :)
 
PeteBlade said:
It reminds me of the Friends episode when Joey uses a thesaurus on every word to make his letter seem clever.
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There's an idea that people who type like that don't really want to be understood (loosely paraphrasing Chomsky iirc). What they've done is read some science or technical sounding texts, not understood much of it, and mistaken intelligent writing for things that are very hard to interpret. So they end up writing a jumbled mess and are surprised when it isn't seen as intelligent, because that's how smart stuff looks.

And that's why Barney is an irritation and Friends is one of the finest philosophical works of our time.
 
SwissBlade said:
Sorry alco, i don't keep tabs on how long somebody has held an opinion. Is it not possible to discuss anything now without you resorting to having a dig Barney you need to get beyond this obsession that you have with him

As you will see from my post, i was arguing both sides of what he was saying without the prejudice and guess what, yet again i disagreed with his overall opinion... Unless of course you read just the second paragraph. The ironic (some would say moronic) part of what you have just babbled on about, is that the killer line in my post is the first one... you know, the one where i proclaimed that your statement in response to Barney was true.

if you can't accept that people will agree with some people that you don't like, then don't bother debating with me, it seems like it will send your precious little blood pressure through the roof.

In if you can, try and do it with a little bit of a sense of humour ;)
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My blood pressure isn't through the roof at all. However, no matter how objectively I look at it, anyone describing Adkins contribution as "ruining the club" is simply being ridiculous, as is your backing of this statement.

Barney dug a hole at the start of the season, and won't climb out. You are perfectly aware of this. You've jumped in the hole with him, and for whatever reason are rolling around like a pig in shit. ( :))

My "obsession" with Barney is in line with everyone else's. He crops up on every thread with the same boring lines and is next to impossible to ignore. I have no doubt at all that you recognise all these things, but you remain very pissed off that Clough was sacked, and irrationally have in some way held Adkins responsible. This is why you back any old guff that Barney comes out with.


UTB
 
alcoblade said:
My blood pressure isn't through the roof at all. However, no matter how objectively I look at it, anyone describing Adkins contribution as "ruining the club" is simply being ridiculous, as is your backing of this statement.

Barney dug a hole at the start of the season, and won't climb out. You are perfectly aware of this. You've jumped in the hole with him, and for whatever reason are rolling around like a pig in shit. ( :))

My "obsession" with Barney is in line with everyone else's. He crops up on every thread with the same boring lines and is next to impossible to ignore. I have no doubt at all that you recognise all these things, but you remain very pissed off that Clough was sacked, and irrationally have in some way held Adkins responsible. This is why you back any old guff that Barney comes out with.


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Where have i ever held Adkins responsible for anything other than what he has done or hasn't done since he arrived. You're talking nonsense.
 
PokerBlade said:
There's an idea that people who type like that don't really want to be understood (loosely paraphrasing Chomsky iirc). What they've done is read some science or technical sounding texts, not understood much of it, and mistaken intelligent writing for things that are very hard to interpret. So they end up writing a jumbled mess and are surprised when it isn't seen as intelligent, because that's how smart stuff looks.

And that's why Barney is an irritation and Friends is one of the finest philosophical works of our time.
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I don't think I've been using what you might call challenging vocabularly at all really. I might have stretched the boundaries with the line you comment on but I think you are going way over the top when you say that's the ordinary for me and some how use it as a point to argue about.

Did you ever consider you just might not have understood it and other more "advanced" (didn't want to use too much of a difficult word there) types might not have had any problem? Any way I'll stop there for now, too many complexities (google if unsure) to figure out, I know.
 



I understood it. You were saying that Adkins' mismanagement would set the club back long term.

Do you see how easy it is to phrase that coherently?
 
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