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To some end I blame Wilder for that. He made it about him, surrounding himself with his mates and taking over the club if you would.

Yes he United the club, apart from the minority of fans who had built up a list of grievances with him and thought that WE were bigger and better than him.
Perhaps you missed the fact that he didn't celebrate the wins (remember them?) by thumping the badge in front of the fans last season.
He knew that a minority had turned against him, and avoided antagonising them.
He only had to see the threads on here with 'fans' calling him a cunt and an outdated dinosaur.
So I doubt he would ever come back no matter how dire the situation may become.

When the new owners came in they weren't happy that he had so much power and ousted him.

No, when they came in they gave him a new contract to show their support.
But twist that to suit your narrative however you like.
 

Popular? I've seen Hull fans comment on how bad and stubborn he is tactically.

It is Selles choosing to play Peck as essentially a lone midfielder. He's handicapped us by repeatedly making the same mistakes for 5 games.
Didn't have a choice until Soumare came in tbf. Unsure if he's unfit currently or what.

Hull fans weren't happy about being saved from rock bottom of the league? Pretty much sums up modern football fans really.
 
Yes he United the club, apart from the minority of fans who had built up a list of grievances with him and thought that WE were bigger and better than him.
Perhaps you missed the fact that he didn't celebrate the wins (remember them?) by thumping the badge in front of the fans last season.
He knew that a minority had turned against him, and avoided antagonising them.
He only had to see the threads on here with 'fans' calling him a cunt and an outdated dinosaur.
So I doubt he would ever come back no matter how dire the situation may become.



No, when they came in they gave him a new contract to show their support.
But twist that to suit your narrative however you like.

Ooh, feisty one you are, sorry I spoke badly of your friend.

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The players need to be the focus of fans anger too

They're underperforming woefully and bottling it, just like they did in the important games last season

That started under the last regime and all the noise around Wilder doesn't cover it at all.

The club needs to move on from CW, and the toxicity that will affect every manager who comes in and doesn't get off to a decent start

And, why is it always just about CW?

Where's the references to Knilly?

The quiet man who was, at least, 50% of all the success CW had at a few clubs. The one who works at international level in European and world competitions.

The man who was a gent, allways respectful and professional.

Ignorance of him underscores the neediness and narcissism about a single character.

Our club needs to grow up, move on and take some pain to do it

And so do the fans

Tanganga was a stand out yesterday. The rest went missing.

Again.
 
Ooh, feisty one you are, sorry I spoke badly of your friend.

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Sorry for being a realist, I hope you enjoy the potential managerial merry go round like Man Utd, QPR et al.

You're also wrong about him being my friend, though I certainly hold no malice towards him unlike some.
 
He’s already cooked. The fans have gone and he won’t get them back. It’s beyond the point of no return already.
Football fans are fickle.
If and I know its a big if we won the next 6 all would be forgiven and they would be singing his name, even the Wilder cheerleaders all be it through gritted teeth.
 
There seems to be a myth peddled by the anti Wilder brigade that all those who wanted to keep him will be quite happy to see Selles fail on the off chance he might come back.

Bollocks

I want what’s best for my team and in the last year of parachute payments I thought sticking with CW would have been the right choice. Others thought differently though so we made the change. Despite other more experienced candidates we went for Selles.
A team takes time to gel but we aren’t even seeing anything promising with regards his tactics and planning. Infact quite the opposite. He looks alarmingly out of his depth.
He needs to go. That doesn’t mean CW should come back but at least someone who can get the best out of a talented bunch of players who either don’t buy into or dont understand how he wants to play. Maybe they as baffled as we are about what he’s trying to do

It's a coping mechanism. They've called it badly wrong (so far) and are clinging to anything - they've been badly exposed. They're also projecting: it's the thought they had all last season. They were willing on defeats and were gutted when we won They should move on from Wilder for their own good, but they won't. He lives rent free in their tiny minds
It eats them up inside that he's a club legend.
 
Sorry for being a realist, I hope you enjoy the potential managerial merry go round like Man Utd, QPR et al.

You're also wrong about him being my friend, though I certainly hold no malice towards him unlike some.

OK, apologies, my comment was out of order, shooting from the lip and all that. Seriously though, I was shocked when they binned him and it's definitely not something I'd have done. I laughed at his antics in The Banner, I'm old and fine with that kind of behaviour but I live in the States and know how the owners would have perceived that and I don't think it did him any favours.

I wasn't happy at all when they replaced him with Selles, we all know the dynamic of our club and our fans and this isn't the place for a novice to change the set up and cut his teeth. I hate the manager merry go round and that never ends well so I'm not sure what we do now. I don't think the owners know English football well enough to have the contacts or the know how who to replace him with so I'm as concerned as the next man. I've seen this sketch before and we're in a really bad place.

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OK, apologies, my comment was out of order, shooting from the lip and all that. Seriously though, I was shocked when they binned him and it's definitely not something I'd have done. I laughed at his antics in The Banner, I'm old and fine with that kind of behaviour but I live in the States and know how the owners would have perceived that and I don't think it did him any favours.

I wasn't happy at all when they replaced him with Selles, we all know the dynamic of our club and our fans and this isn't the place for a novice to change the set up and cut his teeth. I hate the manager merry go round and that never ends well so I'm not sure what we do now. I don't think the owners know English football well enough to have the contacts or the know how who to replace him with so I'm as concerned as the next man. I've seen this sketch before and we're in a really bad place.

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Good apology. Your 2nd paragraph is the exact reason to go back to Wilder.
The owners are naive and don’t know enough and do not have an infastructure to sort the mess out.
Hence get back the bloke that runs the club from top to bottom.
Buy themselves a bit of time to properly set up the company they own.
Grow from a solid base next year.
 
I just cannot see anyway he can turn this around, having got the job, during initial interviews he was asked numerous times what Sheffield United fans can expect from a Reuben Selles team?

He described his footballing ethos, to be based around a fast paced, high pressing, aggressive style, with quick transition from defence to attack.

I admit, I was taken in, I wanted to believe him, I was optimistic, but he’s clearly full of shit, it’s just waffle. Every week, we’re getting bullied, we don’t press as a unit and teams easily pass around it and the build up, far from being quick goes back and forward over the half way line a dozen times before, we maybe win a throw near the oppositions 18 yard box?

We’re four games in, I’d have thought he’d have noticed, that most of the team do not appear to have read the script. In fact, they look like they are only pressing for a quick transition in the managers office to me.
 
Didn't have a choice until Soumare came in tbf. Unsure if he's unfit currently or what.

Hull fans weren't happy about being saved from rock bottom of the league? Pretty much sums up modern football fans really.
Soumare has been on the bench repeatedly, so he can't be that unfit.

Hull had poor performances against their relegation rivals and barely scored. They scraped survival, sure, but it wasn't great football. To go from managing Hull to managing a team that should be fighting for promotion is a big leap for someone who has barely any managerial experience.
 

Whether he stays or goes makes little difference to me the next poor chuff will have the same problems unless of course it is Chris Wilder. I thought our fans were a disgrace after the game sickening to see a man four games into the season having to suffer such vile abuse. It is the owners that have hung him out to dry and a few last day panic buys will not change that. All the good free signings and loans have already got new clubs. We are like the bloke five minutes before the nightclub shuts desperately looking for a shag who becomes willing to hook up with one of the fat ugly birds that are left. I'm not saying Séllés will be a great manager I doubt it but he doesn't deserve that, at least he refuses to throw the players under the bus like Wilder did so credit to him for that. Maybe the players too ought to look in the mirror and ask themselves if they could do more rather than stand back and let the abuse fall on one man.
 
I thought our fans were a disgrace after the game sickening to see a man four games into the season having to suffer such vile abuse.
To be fair, not all fans were booing but there were a lot of very angry people around me. A chap near me started ranting from 5 minutes in - by the end of he game he'd burnt himself out.
 
I don't think so.

I think it's a really competitive league this year, so there's lots of time to catch up. 3 teams ran away with it last season (Sunderland played out the season from late December). There are about 10 teams in the mix this year, and I doubt there will be 3 teams who all get 90+ points.
I think that's nieve reaction to my post.Go back to previous relegations and we never are expected to go down.
Starting with the Haslam team the first time we sampled the 1st division (3rd division as it was called then).when a slump happens it's not easy to pull out.I like you feel we have too much to go down but ! Complacency is dangerous.
 
I think that's nieve reaction to my post.Go back to previous relegations and we never are expected to go down.
Starting with the Haslam team the first time we sampled the 1st division (3rd division as it was called then).when a slump happens it's not easy to pull out.I like you feel we have too much to go down but ! Complacency is dangerous.
I get your point.

I'm not complacent, but I think knee jerk reactions are dangerous. I think back to 2010 when we had 4 managers in a season, and we walking dead from October.

If Selles hasn't got us to midway after 10 games, and I can't see what he is trying to do, or the green shoots of what he's trying to do, then I'll be in the car park hopping about on one foot.

Successful clubs have longevity of managers generally, and I'm all for that. I appreciate the Wilder situation was different, but I didn't want him back after he flounced out the first time, and never really bought into his philosophy the 2nd time. He was a changed man. The front foot football he gave us from 2016 was a joy to watch, and I hoped we were getting this with Selles.

Let's see. Hope he gets it right and we are in for an exciting season towards the top of the league. The egg timer is running though......
 
Yes, and I was saying exactly the same things two games ago.

Unfortunately it’s now inevitable his time with us is over.
It’s obvious to us all that morale is low amongst this previously high functioning group of players.

Unlike yourself, I don’t have a bee in my bonnet about Chris Wilder. But I do feel it would be highly embarrassing to even consider bringing him back.
It won't feel embarrassing if we start winning.
 
In the cold light of day , I watched the match again last night after the boss went to bed ( glutton for punishment I guess) .
He needs to rethink the formation 4-3-3 it isn't working ( not with the midfielders we've got fit ) . We're wasting hamer and ohare playing them in the central 3 they both need to be further forward.We need to go back to 4-2-3-1 . hopefully if it's true and we sign matos ? and Ollie and tom Davies will be back by the next games . ( Unless someone has an update)
Can't understand why he's agreed to the soumare signing and not play him , Godfrey showed flashes that he's going to be a good signing . Tanganga was immense but we need to sign Mee to put a solid centre half pairing together ( and let bindon and nils get up to speed with the championship .
Burrows looks short on confidence and it's affecting his game. For some reason peck has gone backwards I think it's because selles is trying to use him as a CDM and it's not his natural position .
Impressed with ings as well.( If we can keep him fit obviously)

Cooper
Godfrey, tanganga, Mee, Burrows
Soumare,matos ( or Ollie/Davies)
Hamer has to be centre in the 3
From here it's fit the rest in on form

As always UTB
Kudos for watching that again
 
Interesting to see that Ten Hag has just been sacked by Bayern Leverkusen after 2 league games. They didn’t even lose both of them. The point is sometimes it’s better for owners to recognise they have made mistake in a managerial appointment, own the error, act decisively and move on.

Selles is not going to turn this around, we can all see that. We’re getting worse each week rather than better despite new signings being integrated. The worst thing we can do is to allow this to drag on and end up wasting the huge advantage that the parachutes payment has given us.
 
Interesting to see that Ten Hag has just been sacked by Bayern Leverkusen after 2 league games. They didn’t even lose both of them. The point is sometimes it’s better for owners to recognise they have made mistake in a managerial appointment, own the error, act decisively and move on.

Selles is not going to turn this around, we can all see that. We’re getting worse each week rather than better despite new signings being integrated. The worst thing we can do is to allow this to drag on and end up wasting the huge advantage that the parachutes payment has given us.
They have, they sacked wilder
 

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If there’s no visible improvement in the Ipswich game then I’d pull the plug. I really wanted him to do well, but it’s been a bizarre start.

The only time we’ve looked remotely like we have a game plan is when we lost 4-1.
 

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