Help me out...what is it that Selles is asking them to do, that is so difficult?

[Frank the tank]

A while ago I was listening Dean Saunders on talksport. To paraphrase what he said ....

This "high press" thing isn't new , its what we used to call " closing down" , your simply asking a professional athlete to sprint for 20 yards , if they have to coached to do this then games gone .


Realise its a simplification but there's some truth in that to ge fair ..

He talks out of his arse no wonder he was such a shit manager
A press is a coordinated ,pre planned way of applying pressure on the opposition
There are varying types of press usually based on the way the opposition trys to play out and setting traps for them to play into .

It's a lot more complicated than just closing down
Dean Saunders is a fucking idiot

 

[Laney Blade]

Fair points. But since that first half against Bristol City Selles chose to give the players a public on pitch dressing down. Given how fragile egos seem to be these days and how brittle and unable to cope with anything many people seem to be nowadays, I think that was not a good move. It didn't work for Phil Brown at Hull years ago in a less sensitive age, so it was never going to work now.

It's called throwing the players under a bus. He did the same at his 2 previous esteemed clubs Hull & Reading as the majority of their players also hadn't got a clue what he wanted as he's poor at communication. So it's the fault of approx 60 players but not him.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

And very good at the level at which we are at now.

Was he? He was decent in patches, injured in patches, then couldn't be arsed in patches.

At no stage did he ever reach 'very good'. He had some great games, but over the course of the season they weren't enough of them.

 

[Laney Blade]

I'm equally ignorant, but my take is the following, based entirely on the Bristol game (Birmingham was a different team, and I didn't watch yesterday)

He played 433, with two full backs pushing on which is their natural game.

His 3 man midfield consisted of 2 number 10's who play all their best football going forwards and a young number 8, who likes to get around the pitch (playing most of last season alongside Souza, a natural number 6).

In front of them he had 2 wingers and a centre forward. The 2 centre backs are a young lad stapling up from league 1 and a lad who's career has been shot by two horrific injuries.

The result was we got hammered and it seemed that his ask was to play to win 5-4.

The problem is that we didn't score our chances and they did, which saps confidence.

The whole approach looks ridiculously naive in my opinion and will lead to him being sacked if he doesn't change this approach

This sums it up. Terrible naive tactics which dont suit our players skill set.

 

[Hblockblade]

The fun guys (from training video's at Shirecliffe) were Souza and Brewster loling/ joking around with other players on the grass..they have gone.

I did see Peck and Burrows larking about in the gym like a couple of 13 year olds wagging a school lesson...but it was just them two.

All too serious now from the look on the players faces......doubt Selles will be stopping the coach at an off license on the way home from Swansea.

Has anyone got any footage of Selles having a laugh,with/at anyone ?

Very good point, souza and brewster will surely be missed off rest of squad, who wants to go to work day in day out and it be all serious, not when that's what you been used to for soo long. They must feel deflated and if selles is intense and boring, we'll it usually takes a couple of week for sertraline to kick in and then hopefully we may see improvement although masked some what.

 

[ATL Recs]

I was sad to see Vini go.
As you have said, performances weren't great in the premier league, but he was very good last season. I got the impression he was a character. His presence may have been more important than just his on field performances. Something that AI won't pick up.

Another I don’t understand AI comment

 

[bruce]

Was he?

Yes.

 

[Frank the tank]

It's called throwing the players under a bus. He did the same at his 2 previous esteemed clubs Hull & Reading as the majority of their players also hadn't got a clue what he wanted as he's poor at communication. So it's the fault of approx 60 players but not him.

Why do you keep making stuff up ?

 

[bruce]

Another I don’t understand AI comment

In what way?
Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested.

 

[Youngand70]

He talks out of his arse no wonder he was such a shit manager
A press is a coordinated ,pre planned way of applying pressure on the opposition
There are varying types of press usually based on the way the opposition trys to play out and setting traps for them to play into .

It's a lot more complicated than just closing down
Dean Saunders is a fucking idiot

I suppose he was a fooking idiot when he scored "that" goal against Port Vale?

 

[Frank the tank]

I suppose he was a fooking idiot when he scored "that" goal against Port Vale?

Probably

 

[Ned the Donkey]

A press is a coordinated ,pre planned way of applying pressure on the opposition
There are varying types of press usually based on the way the opposition trys to play out and setting traps for them to play into .
It's a lot more complicated than just closing down.

100 million percent.

I don't know what the details are, but it's really clear when a team is fully committed and co-ordinated, versus when just one player is not sure of his role leaving wide open spaces to play through.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

To be completely honest, I am not the most tactically astute when it come to football, and understanding patterns of play etc.

what else is making the players struggle?

Me neither. And judging from the responses asking this question here is like asking your grandad to programme the video recorder, ie it's the kind of question you need a teenager to answer.

I'm interested in learning more about modern tactics and a quick Google led me to this, which, having watched a few minutes, seems like a good place to start.



Same bloke has made a more up to date "latest trends in pressing" video here



I'm more of a twat the fucking thing into the channels person, but I'm open to new ideas so I'm prepared to hear him out.

 

[Danetheblade]

To be completely honest, I am not the most tactically astute when it come to football, and understanding patterns of play etc.

I know when a team is playing well and when they are not, even if I can't always articulate why. I can also generally spot where there are weak points in the team, but not always.

There is a lot of talk about the players not being able to adapt to what he wants from them. But what exactly is this and how does it differ that much from what they should be able to do as professional footballers?

Based on what I saw pre season and in that great 20 minute spell against Brizzle, when I compare to last season it just seemed much quicker and more attack minded. But aside from losing a couple of key players, what else is making the players struggle?

I think his tactics are a shock to the system. He’s asking them to push forward with the ball, and press and attack the ball when we don’t have it. It’s not groundbreaking stuff, it’s basic football played in an attack minded manner. I think it’s evident some players either can’t, or won’t play how he wants. We see it all the time, saw it at Man United with Ten Haag, not so much the attacking football style.. more the refusal to play how he wants thus getting him the sack.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

To be completely honest, I am not the most tactically astute when it come to football, and understanding patterns of play etc.

I know when a team is playing well and when they are not, even if I can't always articulate why. I can also generally spot where there are weak points in the team, but not always.

There is a lot of talk about the players not being able to adapt to what he wants from them. But what exactly is this and how does it differ that much from what they should be able to do as professional footballers?

Based on what I saw pre season and in that great 20 minute spell against Brizzle, when I compare to last season it just seemed much quicker and more attack minded. But aside from losing a couple of key players, what else is making the players struggle?

It’s probably a good idea to get to know your players first, before you start berating them on the Bramall Lane pitch.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

Me neither. And judging from the responses asking this question here is like asking your grandad to programme the video recorder, ie it's the kind of question you need a teenager to answer.

I'm interested in learning more about modern tactics and a quick Google led me to this, which, having watched a few minutes, seems like a good place to start.



Same bloke has made a more up to date "latest trends in pressing" video here



I'm more of a twat the fucking thing into the channels person, but I'm open to new ideas so I'm prepared to hear him out.

The channel ball is a great tactic to either get a wide striker on the ball (no not billy whitehurst!) and make space for a central runner or a strike partner, or simply just to turn the oppo around and then press them. If teams used it more they would find it is a great alternative to 'passy passy, winger looks up and plays it to a defender' bollox that has infiltrated the game.

 

[Railway Blade]

Gus is quite often our saviour but he at the moment is one of our main problems in this system. We are playing him in a more central role but he just doesn't track back.

He spent a lot of the time very near to Campbell or later Cannon. With two wide players that's four players in advance of the ball most of the time. When we push the fullbacks on that's six. Its just too many and leaves huge holes in the midfield and makes it very difficult for us to play through teams, hence we went long quite often and lost possession. In the next phase if we don't win the ball back high there are again huge holes, plus Gus even though he's advanced doesn't really press, which causes another issue.

Add the fact that Soumare isn't match fit yet it's even more suicidal.

When they score from our throw in. We have 5 men in advance of the ball plus Burrows taking the throw in. When we don't win the initial challenge we have 6 players out of position. Then O'Hare, Gus and Peck all jog back. If one of them had actually put a sprint in the situation might have been retrievable.

I can see the idea of risk and reward but with the holes in the side (defence not ideal, Soumare not match fit, wingers not tracking back, Gus not tracking back) Its too much risk and very little reward at the moment.

 

[Shawy24]

By asking more players to press forward our middle third is emptied out. The players remaining there were easily pressed by Swansea so there were frequent occasions where we lost the ball. Also seemed to struggle to find a forward pass because although we had players forward they were not finding space and the gap to the man on the ball was too far. The opposition are not clueless and seem to find us easy to work out - see Bristol City in second half. Players are now losing confidence which just compounds the issue. We have quality players - put simply his ideas don’t work when countered by harder working well organised and motivated teams.

Absolutely