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Being a football manager is a job. Wilder will get another job, maybe even a bigger, higher profile one. Good luck to him.
I don’t get another club. My dad doesn’t get another club. My kids don’t get another club.
Personally I want to stay in the PL for the good of the club and me, and my family.
No man is bigger than the club.
Awww didums you your dad and your kids will be upset if we go down! Well do you know something most of us will also be upset but we are also realists and understand there isn’t any other manager out there at all who could do any better with these players that my friend is a fact!
You your dad and your kids wouldn’t be watching premier league football is it wasn’t for this man! Maybe have a little think about that!
 

Er......Norwich?

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“However, recent history suggests bouncing back at the first attempt is becoming increasingly difficult.

Only two sides – Fulham and Newcastle – have managed it in the last four seasons and just seven have done so in the last 10.

The statistics also show that relegated teams have to be prepared to go all the way – the Magpies and Burnley have gone up as champions in the last decade, but West Ham, QPR, Norwich, Hull and Fulham all did it the hard way by winning the play-off final.”



 
True. But the squad we have available isn't good enough to stay up. That is partially Wilders fault. But sacking him isn't going to change that fact. One way or another we're probably going down. I'd probably rather we went down with Wilder.
Yep that’s the quandary isn’t it? As I’ve said elsewhere I’m not advocating sacking him but he looks as beaten as the players. If we continue like this the scars will be massive. Psychologically can he really take us back from that?

You know what credit to the Norwich manager and board sticking with him. I hope they get promoted to show clubs loyalty does work.

Back to us though, if last night is anything to go by no way will the fans remain behind him. After the Fulham game there were first voices of dissent and the question posed. Last night less than 25% of the season gone and it’s much worse. Long way to go, it’s going to get so much angrier and vitriolic on here I fear.
 
Ormster.. Shouldn't you be busy doing admin on Bladesmad instead of chatting shit on here. Seeing as you're admin there?
Usually appears in the aftermath of a defeat (or during), never to be seen until the next one. Offers absolutely nothing constructive just the same drivel over and over again.
 
Awww didums you your dad and your kids will be upset if we go down! Well do you know something most of us will also be upset but we are also realists and understand there isn’t any other manager out there at all who could do any better with these players that my friend is a fact!
You your dad and your kids wouldn’t be watching premier league football is it wasn’t for this man! Maybe have a little think about that!
I was simply making the point, albeit it poorly, that we, the fans, will be here a long time after wilder goes.
If we go down it’ll be so tough getting promoted and the risks of further decline are unfortunately all too familiar.
One of my first games was a 6-0 away defeat to boro and last night reminded me of that, men against boys. In that instance Bassett had only just arrived and thankfully major surgery followed.
Realistically this squad needs the same treatment but that just goes against everything wilder believes in. So often an individual’s greatest strength can be their greatest weakness too.
In regards to the family at least this year there won’t be any last day heartache like in 81 for dad, 94 for me or ‘07 for my eldest. We’re already down.
 
I’d just like to say this talk of sacking c w is far too early although I remember him putting pressure on the board to back him by threatening to walk, now the board must put pressure on him to get things right because they have backed him all they could.
 
Lost 4-1 to Chelsea, who spent 250m this summer and suddenly this forum has turned into Arsenal fan tv. Anyone seriously calling for Wilder to be sacked after 8 games needs to get a grip of themselves or stop posting on here and join the muppets on Facebook.
 
Lost 4-1 to Chelsea, who spent 250m this summer and suddenly this forum has turned into Arsenal fan tv. Anyone seriously calling for Wilder to be sacked after 8 games needs to get a grip of themselves or stop posting on here and join the muppets on Facebook.
It isn’t last night in isolation though is it? It’s symptomatic of deeper underlying issues and the reversal in attitude from the previous four seasons. If we’d lost heavily having a go and being positive and with the players looking committed, I genuinely think we’d accept that much better.
 
50 million per season is peanuts at this level. Allied with a tiny wage bill it's bordering on nowt really. It's around half to a third of what the likes of Bournemouth spent.We've gone with low wage bill and investing in young players as the owner doesn't have the money or willingness to make us competitive. On the back of three years of zero investment, and selling all our best young players in the first three years it's chronic naivety to be expecting better outcomes. That's why we're bringing players in for areas we've required new players for three years (goalkeeper, right wing back competition, left wing back competition, left centre back competition (whoops), younger strikers. Paul Daniels has stopped pulling rabbits out of his hat, but people were somewhat naïve to think that that'd continue.
You actually call the shower upfront,strikers.😒
 
Who do we get to replace him? Questions are right to be asked but I don’t know who you replace him with.

That's the question isnt it. It's not just about replacing the manager, but who with and if, as most likely, the January transfer pot will be sparse.

Which begs the question, who out there would keep us up with little / no money?

Of course there are negatives currently. Wilder seems to have lost his bombastic side, in his interviews he has embraced imho too much of a "we're so 'humble guv" tone.

His tactical stubbornness sticks in the craw too. But he isnt only the right man for the job, he's the ONLY man for the job. He still has the chance to put this right, even if we are relegated.

To use an analogy, it's like being with someone you love intensely. You know they are the only one for you. They love you,.but some of their habits are starting to wind you up. Things need looking at, and sorting out before the point of no return.

We're at the "we need to talk" stage. Hopefully it gets sorted and Prince doesn't so something hair brained like go for Allardyce.
 
P.S. anybody noticed the volume of accounts with a few posts in many years suddenly surfacing and calling for his head? Anybody would think it's pigs come from under their rocks after a four years.
Spot on. Not pigs but posters and fans who have come back for the good times after all those dire seasons in league 1. Now we are in trouble they don't like it.
Wilder can stay as long as he wants for me.
 
Yes he has to question himself and his management team for some things including formation when certain players are missing, not bringing in a better centre half to cover O'Connell (Jake Copper anyone?) and a couple of midfielders knowing the Lundstram and Freeman situations, but he is still the main man and a fantastic manager for SUFC.

He's not infallible, and his human and will make mistakes, but he has my 100% backing. Hopefully he's our manager for a very long time. Love the bloke.

Now hopefully he has some down time, spends some time with the Missus for a few days / a week, and forgets about SUFC for a little while (I would say play some golf but his golf club is shut due to lockdown). Then when he comes back recharged he can make a few changes from what he's learned these last few weeks and we go again.

Pick up a few decent results soon and it's not too late yet.

Whatever happens, he is still the main man for our club.
 

You actually call the shower upfront,strikers.😒

We could've played Kane and Aguero up front in the last two games and still just scored the one. It easy to blame strikers when we don't score, but when the only way you can get on the ball is by dropping into your own half, what on earth are they supposed to do?

Shearer stated he wouldn't score in this side, and that's Alan Shearer!
 
4 (50%) of our eight games have been against top 6 sides and 1 game against wolves all of which have now got their shit together. Did we really expect to pick anything up against these 5 sides? Maybe a point here or there? As for Villa we we’re unlucky to have a player sent off then missed a penalty. Realistically we may have walked away with a draw?

IMO the only performances this season in which we should have taken the points are Leeds and Fulham created more, shit a converting. Teams around us have had much kinder fixture lists and are still within touching distance.
 
Something went wrong in the last two weeks of the window. We pushed so hard to close the Brewster deal and at the same time learned jack was out for the season. Tried and failed to get a replacement probably becuase we'd spent up on Brewster. Our season turns on that bit of bad businesss. No wonder wilder is losing confidence. A new manager with this squad is a recipe for complete Disaster. Sort out the recruitment and we go again with CWAK in the the champ next season. We are scarcely the first club to mess up pl recruitment Fulham couple of seasons back anyone ?
 
4 (50%) of our eight games have been against top 6 sides and 1 game against wolves all of which have now got their shit together. Did we really expect to pick anything up against these 5 sides? Maybe a point here or there? As for Villa we we’re unlucky to have a player sent off then missed a penalty. Realistically we may have walked away with a draw?

IMO the only performances this season in which we should have taken the points are Leeds and Fulham created more, shit a converting. Teams around us have had much kinder fixture lists and are still within touching distance.

We took four points off each of Wolves, Arsenal, Chelsea and Villa last season. The fact that we now don't expect anything from three of those four games is worrying in itself.
 
Fan opinion matters fck all, even less at present. Owners alone will determine at what stage they feel they'll need to chop up Mgmt.

Personally I'd be happy if they just filed this season under 'bizarre' and tell Chris to start preparing for promotion push next season. Us lot can then just pretend last season was a Jimmy Muir sequel and at least we'll not have witnessed in person the motorway pile up this season is becoming.
 
We certainly are in a bit of a downward spiral!
I did think that CW would turn it round - the next few games should make that a little clearer.
A lot of sensible things have been said on this board.
We do not have the luxury of being able to make mistakes in buying players, taking chances on injuries, loss of form, etc. like many other teams and then being able to go out and buy 3 or 4 new players, or pay a £50 million here and there and, if it doesn't work, simply forget it.
We can't pay the wages to attract some players - who knows we might be able to afford to buy them but not compete with wages available elsewhere, etc.
We are really suffering without the crowds and we have not done too well in trawling foreign markets for talent which most believe is readily available and there for the taking.
I look at the table and think, surely we have got to be able to do better than Fulham and West Brom. Then there's Burnley, possibly Brighton and maybe, just maybe, one or two others - who those others might be I've no idea at the moment.
I have read others saying that we ought to give some of the youngsters a chance. Personally, I think that's a great idea - but it is not something United do. When we had Brookes how often did he play? Maybe it will get to the stage that they decide why not, let's give them a go - hopefully long before it is too late.
I really like the Prince. I think he has been unbelievably impressive since he took over.
The idea of getting rid of CW is, to me, ridiculous.
However, we are all entitled to our own views and to complain about the position we are in, how poor our football is, what we are missing, what's gone wrong, etc. and how on earth we are going to sort it out.
I wish I knew - but I am sure CW knows far more than me on that subject.
If you live in Ranmoor you have got to know something!
 
I think Wilder deserves the whole season, and if we do go down, deserves a whole season at Championship level too - at a minimum.

He has earned our loyalty and tbh we have no right to feel entitlement to stay in this league!!! We were in shit creek with no paddle when he came. 6th year in division one.

We’ve come miles from where we were, instilled pride and a Sheffield United way to playing football. Give him the time to prove it to us again (and that is more than this season). There is no better manager to lead the team.
 
I think Wilder deserves the whole season, and if we do go down, deserves a whole season at Championship level too - at a minimum.

He has earned our loyalty and tbh we have no right to feel entitlement to stay in this league!!! We were in shit creek with no paddle when he came. 6th year in division one.

We’ve come miles from where we were, instilled pride and a Sheffield United way to playing football. Give him the time to prove it to us again (and that is more than this season). There is no better manager to lead the team.
Agree. When Warnock went plenty of people said ‘fuck off, good riddance’ and then after Robson and Blackwell plenty of people started saying ‘maybe we should’ve kept Warnock, best bloke to get you out of the championship’. It’s easy to sack managers but it’s much harder to get a good replacement, particularly one that can get you up and keep you up.
On the face of it, I’d give Wilder this season and the next. Although I don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. I just don’t see another manager coming in and doing much better. In fact, I can’t think of anyone who’d realistically come that I’d want.

There are two things that CW might consider. Scouting. Can we do better? It’s easy to say our recruitment has been poor but we’re fishing in a very shallow pond. Can we find better players who’ll cost less than £30m and £30-40k a week wages? Truth is I don’t know.
Coaching. Is there scope to add another coach, to freshen things up a bit? Maybe one dedicated to improving players? Because I look at someone like Che Adams, who was shit when he first played in the PL but now looks like a player. Then I look at McBurnie and he doesn’t seem to have got any better. Not just him either. That’s unlike us. In the championship and L1 years we saw improvements in a lot of players, big improvements.
It’s a right heavy comedown after last season but I’ve had enough experience of ‘life’ to know that the bigger the high, the bigger the comedown. This is one where you spend all Sunday in your dressing gown wishing you could fast forward until you feel human again.
 
Shankly, Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho, Wenger. All sacked during their career. CWAK know the score, no matter how much love we have for them, the board will be starting to get twitchy. He's got a weak squad and spent XYZ on it. In January, he'll be asking for more. Based on what we've got for our money in last two windows, you'd have to be mental not to think they'll be going "hmmmm" during the discussions.

You can add Ranieri to that list also. Leicester were Premier League champions in May and then sacked him the following January (I think it was). Everyone including Jug Ears were up in arms that they binned Ranieri. Now after a couple of seasons rebuilding Leicester are pushing the top teams again and the fans are happy with Rogers.

In purely financial terms (and that’s what football is theses days whether we like it or not) the club has to come before it’s staff - this includes its Manager - I’m not saying Chris should be sacked but The board will not be viewing the current situation very favourably.

Chris HAS to get some points on the board pretty quickly to take that pressure off himself.

UTB !
 
You can add Ranieri to that list also. Leicester were Premier League champions in May and then sacked him the following January (I think it was). Everyone including Jug Ears were up in arms that they binned Ranieri. Now after a couple of seasons rebuilding Leicester are pushing the top teams again and the fans are happy with Rogers.

In purely financial terms (and that’s what football is theses days whether we like it or not) the club has to come before it’s staff - this includes its Manager - I’m not saying Chris should be sacked but The board will not be viewing the current situation very favourably.

Chris HAS to get some points on the board pretty quickly to take that pressure off himself.

UTB !
Wasn't the sell for "our best transfer window", that we had bought potential?. So if HRH has bought that idea he must have accepted the risk of relegation this year and risking £80m on 4 players.
 

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