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When asked about loyalty to Chris and how secure his job is in the virtual fans forum the Prince replied along the lines of "we have a great relationship with Chris and great respect for the job he has done but if we were to lose say 15 in a row then we would have to make the decisions that would be best for the club"

We now have 1 point from the last 11 games so I do wonder how much more patience the Prince will show before decisions are made.

Personally I still think that Chris is the best man for the job but unfortunately not a lot is going our way at the moment, we need a result sooner rather than later.
 

Gavlar said:
Just to clarify, you're saying Wilder is worse than Hitler who executed 6 million Jews, 2 million of which were children?
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No, I'm not, I'm simply taking the piss out out of someone on this thread that DID suggest Wilders actions of late were akin to what Hitler did. The post is on page 4 I think ..... yeah, I know, fuckin stupid isn't it !
 
coolhandluke said:
No, I'm not, I'm simply taking the piss out out of someone on this thread that DID suggest Wilders actions of late were akin to what Hitler did. The post is on page 4 I think ..... yeah, I know, fuckin stupid isn't it !
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My bad mate.
 
BushBlade said:
Agree. When Warnock went plenty of people said ‘fuck off, good riddance’ and then after Robson and Blackwell plenty of people started saying ‘maybe we should’ve kept Warnock, best bloke to get you out of the championship’. It’s easy to sack managers but it’s much harder to get a good replacement, particularly one that can get you up and keep you up.
On the face of it, I’d give Wilder this season and the next. Although I don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. I just don’t see another manager coming in and doing much better. In fact, I can’t think of anyone who’d realistically come that I’d want.

There are two things that CW might consider. Scouting. Can we do better? It’s easy to say our recruitment has been poor but we’re fishing in a very shallow pond. Can we find better players who’ll cost less than £30m and £30-40k a week wages? Truth is I don’t know.
Coaching. Is there scope to add another coach, to freshen things up a bit? Maybe one dedicated to improving players? Because I look at someone like Che Adams, who was shit when he first played in the PL but now looks like a player. Then I look at McBurnie and he doesn’t seem to have got any better. Not just him either. That’s unlike us. In the championship and L1 years we saw improvements in a lot of players, big improvements.
It’s a right heavy comedown after last season but I’ve had enough experience of ‘life’ to know that the bigger the high, the bigger the comedown. This is one where you spend all Sunday in your dressing gown wishing you could fast forward until you feel human again.
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In retrospect and paradoxically, we didn't get rid of Warnock when we should have (upon promotion), and got rid of him when we shouldn't have (upon relegation). That decision/s set the club on a downward spiral that has taken a decade and a half to correct. We need to heed history & now tread carefully.
 
Goes without saying fans are going to ask questions in the current situation. Wilder isn't infallible and isn't above criticism or reproach.

However, imho we'd be mad to consider getting rid as it stands.

Burnley kept Dyche and came back.

You only get rid if you're very confident of doing better with someone else.
 
bongleblade said:
I think Wilder deserves the whole season, and if we do go down, deserves a whole season at Championship level too - at a minimum.

He has earned our loyalty and tbh we have no right to feel entitlement to stay in this league!!! We were in shit creek with no paddle when he came. 6th year in division one.

We’ve come miles from where we were, instilled pride and a Sheffield United way to playing football. Give him the time to prove it to us again (and that is more than this season). There is no better manager to lead the team.
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Why do I keep seeing this word ‘entitlement’ so often. I don’t think fans are inferring that. They/we want to stay up, which is different. If, as is likely, we don’t, so be it and we move on. However, as others have said, bouncing back will be incredibly difficult, especially if wilder doesn’t change his approach in keys areas like system, recruitment, training, man management, etc.
 
bongleblade said:
I think Wilder deserves the whole season, and if we do go down, deserves a whole season at Championship level too - at a minimum.

He has earned our loyalty and tbh we have no right to feel entitlement to stay in this league!!! We were in shit creek with no paddle when he came. 6th year in division one.

We’ve come miles from where we were, instilled pride and a Sheffield United way to playing football. Give him the time to prove it to us again (and that is more than this season). There is no better manager to lead the team.
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Completely agree, it’s hard at the minute but we need to be patient, there’s no one else who can do a better job with the finances we have, f we get rid we’ll end up back in L1 as quick as quick as we went from it to the prem. be under no doubt that without CWAK we’d still be there.

lers see what happens if he worst happens we go again next year with an excellent champ squad.
 
BettingBlade said:
Problem is no other manager will do any better. Wilder has spent all our budget on Championship players.

We’ve always been greater than the sum of our parts but that doesn’t mean we should try and be like that forever. I’d you’re spending £100 million we need to be bringing quality players in. We’ve bought one player in Berge who’s actually good at this level. And he’s way too good for us.
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BushBlade said:
Agree. When Warnock went plenty of people said ‘fuck off, good riddance’ and then after Robson and Blackwell plenty of people started saying ‘maybe we should’ve kept Warnock, best bloke to get you out of the championship’. It’s easy to sack managers but it’s much harder to get a good replacement, particularly one that can get you up and keep you up.
On the face of it, I’d give Wilder this season and the next. Although I don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. I just don’t see another manager coming in and doing much better. In fact, I can’t think of anyone who’d realistically come that I’d want.

There are two things that CW might consider. Scouting. Can we do better? It’s easy to say our recruitment has been poor but we’re fishing in a very shallow pond. Can we find better players who’ll cost less than £30m and £30-40k a week wages? Truth is I don’t know.
Coaching. Is there scope to add another coach, to freshen things up a bit? Maybe one dedicated to improving players? Because I look at someone like Che Adams, who was shit when he first played in the PL but now looks like a player. Then I look at McBurnie and he doesn’t seem to have got any better. Not just him either. That’s unlike us. In the championship and L1 years we saw improvements in a lot of players, big improvements.
It’s a right heavy comedown after last season but I’ve had enough experience of ‘life’ to know that the bigger the high, the bigger the comedown. This is one where you spend all Sunday in your dressing gown wishing you could fast forward until you feel human again.
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You might have hit on something regarding scouting .I have for sometime cast doubts on how we find our targets when it comes to recruiting and our scouting staff.Bearing in mind that CW has not always got the man he wants because of having his hands tied behind his back because of the wages structure the club has.I think changing some of the scouting staff could have an effect.Looking at clubs like Brentford who have no trouble selling all their best players every year and finding other gems the day after who look just as good as the one they sold.Their top scout would be worth his weight in gold to a club like ours ,he turns up with gems every year .
 
petcharlie said:
You might have hit on something regarding scouting .I have for sometime cast doubts on how we find our targets when it comes to recruiting and our scouting staff.Bearing in mind that CW has not always got the man he wants because of having his hands tied behind his back because of the wages structure the club has.I think changing some of the scouting staff could have an effect.Looking at clubs like Brentford who have no trouble selling all their best players every year and finding other gems the day after who look just as good as the one they sold.Their top scout would be worth his weight in gold to a club like ours ,he turns up with gems every year .
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It’s a bit more than a top scout though.

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shorehamview said:
I thought that it was a a twattish thing to do, but it turned out to be the right decision, and they were in a better position than we are. I’m not advocating sacking Wilder, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was gone within a fortnight.
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Yeah, in hindsight, it was a great decision. But at the time, it was a “twattish” thing to do and we would deservedly get hammered for it by the rest of the football world.
 
shorehamview said:
I thought that it was a a twattish thing to do, but it turned out to be the right decision, and they were in a better position than we are. I’m not advocating sacking Wilder, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was gone within a fortnight.
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Aye, if we can find the next Poch I’d not be against us bringing him in. Bet we don’t find the next Poch though.
 
BushBlade said:
Agree. When Warnock went plenty of people said ‘fuck off, good riddance’ and then after Robson and Blackwell plenty of people started saying ‘maybe we should’ve kept Warnock, best bloke to get you out of the championship’. It’s easy to sack managers but it’s much harder to get a good replacement, particularly one that can get you up and keep you up.
On the face of it, I’d give Wilder this season and the next. Although I don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes. I just don’t see another manager coming in and doing much better. In fact, I can’t think of anyone who’d realistically come that I’d want.

There are two things that CW might consider. Scouting. Can we do better? It’s easy to say our recruitment has been poor but we’re fishing in a very shallow pond. Can we find better players who’ll cost less than £30m and £30-40k a week wages? Truth is I don’t know.
Coaching. Is there scope to add another coach, to freshen things up a bit? Maybe one dedicated to improving players? Because I look at someone like Che Adams, who was shit when he first played in the PL but now looks like a player. Then I look at McBurnie and he doesn’t seem to have got any better. Not just him either. That’s unlike us. In the championship and L1 years we saw improvements in a lot of players, big improvements.
It’s a right heavy comedown after last season but I’ve had enough experience of ‘life’ to know that the bigger the high, the bigger the comedown. This is one where you spend all Sunday in your dressing gown wishing you could fast forward until you feel human again.
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Good post, fellow Blade.
 
Birley Blade said:
Fully agree. 1 point out of 24. Relegation form. Horrendous football. CW has NO plan B. I believe his time has come.

Of all the managers out there, someone could save our season. Wouldn’t be that difficult, maybe employ a manager that doesn’t sit 10 men behind the ball, and has a bit of fucking desire.

Just look at Moyes at West Ham. Poor club but play excellently on the attack, that’s what we need.
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“If you can’t support us when we lose or draw, don’t support us when we win.”​

— Bill Shankly
 
Birley Blade said:
Fully agree. 1 point out of 24. Relegation form. Horrendous football. CW has NO plan B. I believe his time has come.

Of all the managers out there, someone could save our season. Wouldn’t be that difficult, maybe employ a manager that doesn’t sit 10 men behind the ball, and has a bit of fucking desire.

Just look at Moyes at West Ham. Poor club but play excellently on the attack, that’s what we need.
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Just have a look at this guys post history! He’s got pig written all over him!
 
bartman said:
The issue for me is that the first 11 hasnt improved from last season. We have clearly made mistakes in the transfer market with certain players and seem to be more content with increasing our squad players rather than the 2 or 3 we needed to improve the first 11. This fact that Lundstram and McGoldrick ( and arguably Basham) are starting games and that we didnt get a 1st team replacement for JOC even on loan shows how poor our recruitment strategy has been.
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The signing of the 2 Derby lads is ridiculous.
 
hello said:
The signing of the 2 Derby lads is ridiculous.
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I have to say I agree with this one. We had good WB’s in Baldock and Stevens. We had good cover in Freeman and Osborn. When Freeman left for me we could have made do with Bash at RWB and Jags/Ampadu at RCB. RND is further cover at LWB.
The money, for me, should have been invested in the midfield (not knowing JOC would be out for the season)
 
Sheffield United under Chris Wilder and Alan Knill are all about 'the team'.

Since we were promoted to the 'big boys league' it's not been about individuals it's been the collective group, a group that, when they come together, are better than the sum-of-its-parts.

That's not to say we haven't missed key individuals who contribute to that overall team dynamic but we are now competing without, arguably our greatest asset. Us. The fans. The 12th man.

The lads need us but we can't be there.

Now is the time to come together.

We will get through this tough spell but we'll do it 'The Blades Way'.

Together.
As one.
United.

UTB
 
YorkBlade said:
Sheffield United under Chris Wilder and Alan Knill are all about 'the team'.

Since we were promoted to the 'big boys league' it's not been about individuals it's been the collective group, a group that, when they come together, are better than the sum-of-its-parts.

That's not to say we haven't missed key individuals who contribute to that overall team dynamic but we are now competing without, arguably our greatest asset. Us. The fans. The 12th man.

The lads need us but we can't be there.

Now is the time to come together.

We will get through this tough spell but we'll do it 'The Blades Way'.

Together.
As one.
United.

UTB
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Thats the rub we cannot come together with the team. We are redundant to do anything but sit and watch.

Whatever happens this year the fans are nothing to do with it. Whether there is criticism on a few message boards or social media it should not have any affect on performances on the pitch. Doubt many players (except McBurnie- if he spent as much time in the gym as social media we might have a better player) or management read any of it.

There are no groans/jeers or pressure from fans at games. Conversely we can't cheer them onto better form.

Its the one time we cannot affect things in any way.

Frustrating but its up to the players and management to improve massively. If they don't it's squarely on them.
 
Foxy said:
... to the off-licence on the way home.
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Maybe day after your post but the one that makes most sense after 1905 yesterday.
I might advise a repeat for today also. Cheers.☺️
 
Silent Blade said:

“If you can’t support us when we lose or draw, don’t support us when we win.”​

— Bill Shankly
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How did William Shankly do in his second season in Div. One, and or did he go eight games losing seven and drawing one at any stage of his Liverpool managership.
Looked but part site off for maintenance but found that whilst as Grimsby's manager he quit because of disillusionment with event at the club.
Watch this space.
 

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