HARRY MAGUIRE

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Would you take him back?

  • Yes, we'd be crazy not to

    Votes: 238 88.5%

  • No, he's burnt his bridges. Onto new blood.

    Votes: 31 11.5%
  • Total voters
    269
BushBlade said:
You take your chances when they come. You might not get another.
Or you stay with us like Elliot Whitehouse, Joe Ironside etc did, still end up playing non league but without a big chunk of cash in the bank.
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Thats a fair point. I just think that sometimes (well, most of the time) they are being advised by people who are more interested in making as much quick money as they possibly can, as opposed to being interested in developing the players career.
 

BushBlade said:
You take your chances when they come. You might not get another.
Or you stay with us like Elliot Whitehouse, Joe Ironside etc did, still end up playing non league but without a big chunk of cash in the bank.
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If they were fairly smart then they will at least have had enough for a deposit for a decent house, so probably better off than most kids in their early twenties
 
The Crab said:
Thats a fair point. I just think that sometimes (well, most of the time) they are being advised by people who are more interested in making as much quick money as they possibly can, as opposed to being interested in developing the players career.
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That may be true in some cases but the majority of agents aren't skint so they can afford to take a long term view. Harry's agent would be well aware that if Harry developed into a top PL player he'd earn ten times what he'd earn in commission for championship moves. It benefits the agent for a player to fulfil his potential.
But it suits clubs to portray agents as greedy and selfish when, in reality, with all the agents available why would a young player choose one with a reputation for ruining his other clients' careers?
 
BushBlade said:
That may be true in some cases but the majority of agents aren't skint so they can afford to take a long term view. Harry's agent would be well aware that if Harry developed into a top PL player he'd earn ten times what he'd earn in commission for championship moves. It benefits the agent for a player to fulfil his potential.
But it suits clubs to portray agents as greedy and selfish when, in reality, with all the agents available why would a young player choose one with a reputation for ruining his other clients' careers?
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Thats probably quite true actually, I suppose it can look like it is in the club's interests to spin it to look like the agent has engineered the deal.
 
SwissBlade said:
If they were fairly smart then they will at least have had enough for a deposit for a decent house, so probably better off than most kids in their early twenties
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How much do you think these kids were on? I wouldn't say much more than £500 a week. Difficult to save a deposit for that unless you're living with ma and pa.
 
Nathan byrne is probably negotiating a deal with real madrid to replace cristiano ronaldo
 
Would love to get Byrne and harry would probably want Kev as well but not as much as he other 2
 
When would Harry's contract be up btw?
Sure someone in the Champ would offer him a deal...tell Scruffy to get back up here and bring that Byrne kid with him...there's a case of 'iron bru' in it for him if he's interested...?
 
BushBlade said:
That may be true in some cases but the majority of agents aren't skint so they can afford to take a long term view. Harry's agent would be well aware that if Harry developed into a top PL player he'd earn ten times what he'd earn in commission for championship moves. It benefits the agent for a player to fulfil his potential.
But it suits clubs to portray agents as greedy and selfish when, in reality, with all the agents available why would a young player choose one with a reputation for ruining his other clients' careers?
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Depends on your definition of ruined career and what a player is really playing for. You stick with me Rodney and next year we be millionaires!
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Depends on your definition of ruined career and what a player is really playing for. You stick with me Rodney and next year we be millionaires!
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They're professional footballers, the key word being 'professional' and like,most people who aren't born into money, part of their motivation is to earn a good living.
Taking Slew as an example, one could argue that if he'd stayed with us he would have played more and, if he'd done well, might have got a move to a bigger club as a more senior player, like Harry did.
On the other hand, he might not have been able to displace the Evans/Cresswell partnership, been a bit part player and drifted out of the game, like most of his FA Youth Cup contemporaries. Had he done so, he'd never get the chance to earn decent money or have a crack at a high level. The fact Slew didn't make it isn't his agents' fault. For a striker who rarely scores he's actually played quite a bit of senior football.
I'm sure there will be the odd rogue still out there but I don't think it's like the days when agents first started out when there were some real wrong 'uns about.
Clubs, particularly those that have to sell players, like to give the impression that it's the agents that cause them all the problems but I think in most cases, it's the players who actually want to move and tell their agents to find them a bigger club who'll pay them more and get them closer to the top level.
 
BushBlade said:
You take your chances when they come. You might not get another.
Or you stay with us like Elliot Whitehouse, Joe Ironside etc did, still end up playing non league but without a big chunk of cash in the bank.
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Elliot Whitehouse and Joe Ironside?! There's a bit of a difference between those two and Harry Maguire - even Jordan Slew, for that matter...
 

TonyAgana said:
Elliot Whitehouse and Joe Ironside?! There's a bit of a difference between those two and Harry Maguire - even Jordan Slew, for that matter...
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There is now. Not as much when they were in the FA Youth Cup team.

I'm not sure I got my main point over which was there's a school of thought that says every young player should stay with their parent club (ie us) as it will help them develop and blame agents for talking them into moving. In the case of Slew, I never rated him (from what little I saw of him) and I think he'd have ended up in L2 or below anyway, whether he'd stayed with us or gone to Blackburn. By going, at least he's made some money.

With Harry, I think he'd played enough football in L1 and probably wasn't going to improve much by staying at that level; he was ready for a new challenge. So again, I don't blame him for moving. I don't think either player was badly advised.
 
Harry has performed really well for Hull in spells. Suspect they'll be surprised Alex Bruce is getting a shirt as well over in 'Ull.

Can't see him coming back unless we get up in the playoffs and he copped for a lot of abuse off our fans online when he left, so not sure he'd that keen in any event.
 
Rodley said:
Harry has performed really well for Hull in spells. Suspect they'll be surprised Alex Bruce is getting a shirt as well over in 'Ull.

Can't see him coming back unless we get up in the playoffs and he copped for a lot of abuse off our fans online when he left, so not sure he'd that keen in any event.
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One thing and one thing only . Money talks and we ain't got enough for Harry . We would do a beard , get Harry and not have a pot to piss in to buy or loan any other player ( s ).

We have moved on , although backwards , so Adkins decision on recruitment has to be cock on . He IMO has left himself with no area for manoeuvred mistakes.
 
Isn't it usually 15% of the difference with what they paid us for him. If they sell at a loss they don't pay anything, a million over, they pay 150k.
 
Ranmoorblade said:
Isn't it usually 15% of the difference with what they paid us for him. If they sell at a loss they don't pay anything, a million over, they pay 150k.
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All negotiable mate. Entirely depends on the agent/clubs
 
Well whether it's 15% of the entire fee or of the profit that's still a big six figure windfall...get him f in sold !
 
Have we ever received a fee from a sell-on clause? Genuine question. The like of Morris, Mellis, Wayne Quinn etc we'd never have known given any % of a future fee would have translated to bugger all with those players. Naughton and Lowton are our only recent big young player sales to go for a reasonable fee afterwards, but I can't recall any cash going our way as a result.
 

Don't know why Hull would need to sell. Plus, they don't have a new manager in place yet, so presumably they will wait until then. However, there is the crazy owner factor.
 
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