HARRY MAGUIRE

[nopigfansintown]

And i think the problem that you have is that people like Rio Ferdinand, Terry Henry, Danny Murphy and Jamie Redknapp end up as the pundits which seem to fit the mould for the likes of Sky and BBC. They're the nice choices.

The likes of Shearer, Hoddle, Carragher and Gary Neville are able to provide, in my opinion, excellent analysis. To be honest i don't really look or listen beyond Gary Neville for punditry.

The English game has stagnated because we've had a poor set up at International level (constantly changing managers, not providing a good U18 and U21 transition for players, picking names rather than the quality) and the Premier League teams have just gone overseas for players.

The Goalkeeper is another example. During the 80's and 90's England, the British Isles and Ireland were producing excellent Keepers, now you see so few top keepers.



Campbell, yes, completely agree, what a player. For me, he needed more time at the top. But Ferdinand, thought he was an overpriced show pony, very surprised that Man U ever signed him. But I guess Fergie thought he could turn him into a proper defender. That said, Fergie needed a centre half to play the ball on the deck.

Man U since Fergie have splashed the cash on players, but they still end up with Phil Jones and Smalling at the back, I honestly don't think those two would make it into many league one sides. They're awful.

Agree with a lot of the points you make. Gary Neville revolutionised football punditry, because he treat football supporters as sentient beings who can at least attempt to analyse football matches. The tactics, the individual players, formations, substitutes etc. Before that they assumed we just stared at the screen or the pitch - without an analytical bone in our body - watching some arcane science. "Only people with an A licence can begin to understand it". I think Ferdinand was good at the ball playing centre half role, but it was absolutely essential he had a Campbell or Vidic next to him. He was a bit nesh, not that good at either tackling or heading the ball; but he was quick and a good passer of the ball. If Fergie or England would've put somebody of a similar ilk next to him, it would've been a disaster. I think they found the right balance. In modern football, a defender has more required of him. There is a real dearth of quality central defenders imo, they're almost the new strkers. Even most of the top European teams have very average centre backs, and they go for ridiculous prices. Out of the top teams in the PL, there's only really Tottenham with a quality backline. Man Utd's is horrific when you compare with Vidic/Ferdinand etc.

 

[Norderner]

If you can't see Harry as a top CH, then imo, you know sweet fa about football. Football is all about balance. The only weakness Harry has is a lack of pace. Just get someone with pace at the side of him, simples. And this is where CW and AK excel. They don't just play our best footballers. They play our best team.

 

[Champagneblade]

Agree with a lot of the points you make. Gary Neville revolutionised football punditry, because he treat football supporters as sentient beings who can at least attempt to analyse football matches. The tactics, the individual players, formations, substitutes etc. Before that they assumed we just stared at the screen or the pitch - without an analytical bone in our body - watching some arcane science. "Only people with an A licence can begin to understand it". I think Ferdinand was good at the ball playing centre half role, but it was absolutely essential he had a Campbell or Vidic next to him. He was a bit nesh, not that good at either tackling or heading the ball; but he was quick and a good passer of the ball. If Fergie or England would've put somebody of a similar ilk next to him, it would've been a disaster. I think they found the right balance. In modern football, a defender has more required of him. There is a real dearth of quality central defenders imo, they're almost the new strkers. Even most of the top European teams have very average centre backs, and they go for ridiculous prices. Out of the top teams in the PL, there's only really Tottenham with a quality backline. Man Utd's is horrific when you compare with Vidic/Ferdinand etc.

I also think Neville is complemented well by Carragher.

Pubditry has moved on a fair bit from Andy Gray pointing out the lino got it wrong after freeze framing three different replay angles.

 

[Blade58]

Sunday People says Spurs and Everton locked in a £22m tug-of-war over signing Harry

That'll do

 

[SwissBlade]

Sunday People says Spurs and Everton locked in a £22m tug-of-war over signing Harry

That'll do

Not that the Sunday People is reliable, but given that choice, i'd be straight down to Spurs. Proper club, on the up and with a manager that really is building something there.

Everton, despite similarly building a new ground etc have an average manager and aren't really in the same league.

Plus at Spurs, Harry can link up with Kyle Walker (for what its worth, despite the windfall we could get from a move, i think Walker would be mad to move anywhere)

 

[Ricky]

Same choice for Harry as it was for Kyle Naughton then.

Go to Everton and play or go to Spurs and don't.

But Spurs are a much bigger attraction nowadays. Sign for them and you'll play in the Champions League and there's a great chance to get a PL winners medal in the next 2/3 years.

If I was him I'd choose Everton. I think both would offer similar money, he'd play more for them, develop more and if one of the top clubs came in for him they'd have less difficulty prising him away from Everton than they would Tottenham/Levy.


If it's anything like £20m we could get about £3m if we do have 15%. Add that to a possible £4m from Kyle Walker and we'll have no excuse not to spend money this summer. McCabe's already mentioned the possibility of a couple of 'special' signings - that could be without even taking into account these possible windfalls so it could get very exciting for us.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Same choice for Harry as it was for Kyle Naughton then.

Go to Everton and play or go to Spurs and don't.

But Spurs are a much bigger attraction nowadays. Sign for them and you'll play in the Champions League and there's a great chance to get a PL winners medal in the next 2/3 years.

If I was him I'd choose Everton. I think both would offer similar money, he'd play more for them, develop more and if one of the top clubs came in for him they'd have less difficulty prising him away from Everton than they would Tottenham/Levy.


If it's anything like £20m we could get about £3m if we do have 15%. Add that to a possible £4m from Kyle Walker and we'll have no excuse not to spend money this summer. McCabe's already mentioned the possibility of a couple of 'special' signings - that could be without even taking into account these possible windfalls so it could get very exciting for us.

Agree on this....

This 'bonus' money could allow us to make the one or two additions we wouldn't have done otherwise to really help us push on next year.

Anyone know if there was any promotion clause in Murphy's deal at Brighton?

As much as I think Harry is a tremendous player - The two centre backs at spurs are arguably the best centreback pairing in the prem and one of the best in world football. Think he would justifiably struggle to break in to that first team. However, they have experimented with three at the back tho and he'd probably get game time through injuries etc..

Whereas at Everton. There is only an aging Jags and aging Williams in front of him. He'd probably fancy his changes of breaking into that side playing some European Football and being a mainstay for years. As you point out if he does well there international recognition would follow and if he really shone in a couple of years he could get the big money into a champions league side.

Having said that if I was man city i'd be looking at him now. They lack proper defenders without Kompany and harry is proven to be good on the ball so might be up peps street

 

[Ricky]

Agree on this....

This 'bonus' money could allow us to make the one or two additions we wouldn't have done otherwise to really help us push on next year.

Anyone know if there was any promotion clause in Murphy's deal at Brighton?

As much as I think Harry is a tremendous player - The two centre backs at spurs are arguably the best centreback pairing in the prem and one of the best in world football. Think he would justifiably struggle to break in to that first team.

Whereas at Everton. There is only an aging Jags and aging Williams in front of him. He'd probably fancy his changes of breaking into that side playing some European Football and being a mainstay for years. As you point out if he does well there international recognition would follow and if he really shone in a couple of years he could get the big money into a champions league side.

Having said that if I was man city i'd be looking at him now. They lack proper defenders without Kompany and harry is proven to be good on the ball so might be up peps street

If I was in charge of someone with the sort of money Man City have, it would be an absolute no brainer to sign Harry for anything up to £20m in this market. They'd also be helping their English quota and they could have him and Stones at CB, with Walker at RB - 3 English defenders in the back 4, all at a good age. Maguire would be suitable for Pep, he's a ball player and not too dissimilar to Pique. They can afford to have a CB who isn't that quick considering what they've already got, in addition to Walker and Mendy arriving at full back.

If City aren't bothered now they'll probably only end up signing him for double the price in 2 years time - which would be the ideal scenario for Maguire.

I think there will be a promotion based fee due for Murphy, can't say for sure but I feel like I read it somewhere. I wouldn't expect it to be more than about 300k though.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

If I was in charge of someone with the sort of money Man City have, it would be an absolute no brainer to sign Harry for anything up to £20m in this market. They'd also be helping their English quota and they could have him and Stones at CB, with Walker at RB - 3 English defenders in the back 4, all at a good age. Maguire would be suitable for Pep, he's a ball player and not too dissimilar to Pique. They can afford to have a CB who isn't that quick considering what they've already got, in addition to Walker and Mendy arriving at full back.

If City aren't bothered now they'll probably only end up signing him for double the price in 2 years time - which would be the ideal scenario for Maguire.

I think there will be a promotion based fee due for Murphy, can't say for sure but I feel like I read it somewhere. I wouldn't expect it to be more than about 300k though.

Yeah i'm sure I remember something about that -

Given the overall fee wasn't much over a million. £300k seems about fair.

Not a life changing amount by any stretch but has probably already paid for Nathan Thomas.

 

[Blade58]

Not that the Sunday People is reliable, but given that choice, i'd be straight down to Spurs. Proper club, on the up and with a manager that really is building something there.

Everton, despite similarly building a new ground etc have an average manager and aren't really in the same league.

Plus at Spurs, Harry can link up with Kyle Walker (for what its worth, despite the windfall we could get from a move, i think Walker would be mad to move anywhere)

Only my opinion Swiss, but there's no way Kyle will be at Spurs next season

The signs are clear. Poch dropping Kyle on a number of occasions recently to play Trippier. Rumours in the press that Poch has told Kyle he can leave

Further rumours that Man City are after his services

 

[Ricky]

Walker is 100% leaving.

He can get paid twice as much elsewhere for a start.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Walker is 100% leaving.

He can get paid twice as much elsewhere for a start.

Feel bad for spurs

But in a world where Jessie lingard is on over 100k per week. Spurs can't keep a 70-100k wage structure and expect players not to get their heads turned.

In today's world one of the best full backs in world football is worth 150k per week plus.

Think it's more understandable moving to bump you wages from 50k per week to 150k per week than it is arguing about an increase from 150k to say 250k (as I don't know what you can get for that addition rise that you couldn't already afford)

 

[Grizzly blade]

I'm sorry, but if you have been earning 80k a week for 4 years....take home over £2m, so £8m plus add ons over the contract then he shouldn't be bothered if he can get £120k a week somewhere....or £200k a week or whatever.

It should be about football and being happy playing football. And if he has allowed to have his game disrupted by clubs waving money under his nose he needs his head banging. Spurs are a top club to be at this time with Pochetino.

Unless he's going somewhere to win the champions league I don't see the point leaving Spurs IMHO.

 

[TJB.]

I'm sorry, but if you have been earning 80k a week for 4 years....take home over £2m, so £8m plus add ons over the contract then he shouldn't be bothered if he can get £120k a week somewhere....or £200k a week or whatever.

It should be about football and being happy playing football. And if he has allowed to have his game disrupted by clubs waving money under his nose he needs his head banging. Spurs are a top club to be at this time with Pochetino.

Unless he's going somewhere to win the champions league I don't see the point leaving Spurs IMHO.

One shit tackle and he's done. Same with any player.

His children will never want for anything and he does good things for the rest of his family (having met some of them).

Most people would probably do the same in Kyle's position.

 

[Superblades]

I'm sorry, but if you have been earning 80k a week for 4 years....take home over £2m, so £8m plus add ons over the contract then he shouldn't be bothered if he can get £120k a week somewhere....or £200k a week or whatever.

It should be about football and being happy playing football. And if he has allowed to have his game disrupted by clubs waving money under his nose he needs his head banging. Spurs are a top club to be at this time with Pochetino.

Unless he's going somewhere to win the champions league I don't see the point leaving Spurs IMHO.

I'm guessing he is happy on 80k a week, he will be even happier on 120k a week and playing at Man City. I know I would.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I'm sorry, but if you have been earning 80k a week for 4 years....take home over £2m, so £8m plus add ons over the contract then he shouldn't be bothered if he can get £120k a week somewhere....or £200k a week or whatever.

It should be about football and being happy playing football. And if he has allowed to have his game disrupted by clubs waving money under his nose he needs his head banging. Spurs are a top club to be at this time with Pochetino.

Unless he's going somewhere to win the champions league I don't see the point leaving Spurs IMHO.

Grizzly, where did the figure of £80K per week come from? It was reported that when Maguire left for Hull he was to be paid between £15-20K per week, so where this jump in salary has come from intrigues me. Even now, should he leave Hull and go to one of the bigger clubs I suspect he'd be paid £70-90K per week at most....so can you clarify what the figure he supposedly earns at Hull is based on?

 

[Grizzly blade]

Grizzly, where did the figure of £80K per week come from? It was reported that when Maguire left for Hull he was to be paid between £15-20K per week, so where this jump in salary has come from intrigues me. Even now, should he leave Hull and go to one of the bigger clubs I suspect he'd be paid £70-90K per week at most....so can you clarify what the figure he supposedly earns at Hull is based on?

I was referring to Walker to be fair.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I was referring to Walker to be fair.

My error, apologies.

 

[Grizzly blade]

One shit tackle and he's done. Same with any player.

His children will never want for anything and he does good things for the rest of his family (having met some of them).

Most people would probably do the same in Kyle's position.

Yeah, I get that.
But the point is he should be a multi millionaire now...if he signed again for 3/4more years in 80k a week then he's still a multi millionaire with enough to last him the rest of his life in the manor to which he will be accustomed.

My point is he should be putting football first, and for me at the moment Spurs are probably the best club going forwards.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I'm sorry, but if you have been earning 80k a week for 4 years....take home over £2m, so £8m plus add ons over the contract then he shouldn't be bothered if he can get £120k a week somewhere....or £200k a week or whatever.

It should be about football and being happy playing football. And if he has allowed to have his game disrupted by clubs waving money under his nose he needs his head banging. Spurs are a top club to be at this time with Pochetino.

Unless he's going somewhere to win the champions league I don't see the point leaving Spurs IMHO.

Having done a search, 70k per week seems to be the figure. It's a lot of money, but he's not on much more than this loser:

 

[Sithblade]

Yeah, I get that.
But the point is he should be a multi millionaire now...if he signed again for 3/4more years in 80k a week then he's still a multi millionaire with enough to last him the rest of his life in the manor to which he will be accustomed.

My point is he should be putting football first, and for me at the moment Spurs are probably the best club going forwards.

Why would Kyle signed a new 5 year contract with Spurs only last September, if he wasn't happy enough with the salary offered? May as well have run it down and made big money as a free agent.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Why would Kyle signed a new 5 year contract with Spurs only last September, if he wasn't happy enough with the salary offered? May as well have run it down and made big money as a free agent.

I know, my initial point was that money shouldn't be a factor for him, he's already made his money.
It should be where he is happy playing now.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He's gone from strength to strength this season, a huge well done to the lad. He and Keane will he England's Centre half pairing of the future.

 

[Blade58]

This article suggests Leicester are now favs to sign Harry

The more the merrier. get that transfer fee up, up, and away!


http://the72.co.uk/83518/new-favourite-race-sign-hull-city-defender/

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Grizzly blade]

We could do with the facts and figures of those extra fees being kept a little quiet.

Be good if we can add that amount to a genuine push for promotion next season, we don't want clubs trying to have our pants down knowing we have a handy and unexpected little war chest to burn.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

So, if Harry and Kyle both go for roughly the expected amounts, sell-on fees mean we could almost afford Adam Reach ?

 

[alcoblade]

So, if Harry and Kyle both go for roughly the expected amounts, sell-on fees mean we could almost afford Adam Reach ?

Thoroughly depressing when you put it like that.

 

[Jackson Blade]

Bid received for Harry from unnamed club on Skysports. Our summer cash injection may come earlier than expected.

I'm going to guess Leicester City £8m.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Bid received for Harry from unnamed club on Skysports. Our summer cash injection may come earlier than expected.

I'm going to guess Leicester City £8m.

The fee will be a lot higher than that.