BornOnShorehamStreet
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HARRY MAGUIRE
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Cyprus Blade
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According to skysports site THE SUN reporting Hull defender Harry Maguire is a loan target for Reading, Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves, Fulham and Middlesbrough.
Same source reporting Neil Warnock is ready to bring in Kevin Blackwell as his No 2 at Crystal Palace. Aren't they the lucky ones.
Same source reporting Neil Warnock is ready to bring in Kevin Blackwell as his No 2 at Crystal Palace. Aren't they the lucky ones.
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madeinsheffield
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Well Harry, that went well didn't it. Those 'footballing reasons' you engineered your move for.
Instead of listening to your short sighted greedy agent you could have played every minute of every game for us, had a decent pay rise and signed for a big club when your contract was up at the end of this season resulting in even more money in your paypacket as your new employer wouldn't have forked out £2.5m for your services in the first place.
Oh and Reading, Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves, Fulham and Middlesbrough are not really local enough to drive there and back most days.
Instead of listening to your short sighted greedy agent you could have played every minute of every game for us, had a decent pay rise and signed for a big club when your contract was up at the end of this season resulting in even more money in your paypacket as your new employer wouldn't have forked out £2.5m for your services in the first place.
Oh and Reading, Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves, Fulham and Middlesbrough are not really local enough to drive there and back most days.
He will be able to dig it out for £15 a night,and then come back after games on saturday if he gets too lonely for a night with his family.
Jim Chimmerney
Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden
or worse case scenario, gets found at at Chumpionship level.
Sheff de party
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Suppose he stayed with us and had an average season. Do you think a Premier League team in Europe (albeit fleetingly) would have come in for him? Would he be at a Premiership club that is in all likelihood not going down?
I don't get this obsession with having a go at him for leaving. He played nearly 200 games for us and wants to leave at the peak of his reputation for more money and the chance of playing in the Prem. If it doesn't work out, he drops down a league and does fine there. Another season with us is not going to see his star rise any further, but might see it sink.
Good post but i'd just like to say Hull were at no point in Europe.
Jim Chimmerney
Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden
They tried to qualify for it but at no point was they ever in it.Did I miss the independance vote
madeinsheffield
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I just think he had his head turned by his agent, NC tried to convince him otherwise. I've a feeling he may regret it now. I also think he would have had another good season prior to these events. These are just my opinions though
DronnieBlade
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Sheff de party
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Haha. You know what I mean!
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
I do.
He's done a Slew. Silly bastard.
He was no where at his peak yet and sitting on his arse at Dull backwater will not improve that one iota. He could have been learning more, experiencing more and going for a promotion season - all too rare in most professionals careers, rather than believing he has already made it.
I believe congrats are in order as you have just become an apologist for the Premier League and their greedy, talent hoarding farce with your opinion. What has happened in Harry's case is exactly what is killing young English talent and it is robbing clubs in lower divisions of larger pay days for eventually selling a more completely developed player after getting some on pitch reward for doing so too.
Prem clubs are littered with lads who believe they are in the big time but will hardly ever play a match. Why? because they can afford to stock pile these gullible mugs. They gamble and in doing so prevent other clubs getting them in the mistaken belief that they might just pay less than they need to for an exceptional talent and then go and ruin it by letting it fester and wither as it lacks opportunity to develop. Then they can't understand why it all didn't work out as planned.
The youngsters eventually hear the penny drop (a sound obscured to them by the sound of ruffling notes) as they realise that they actually wanted to play football. Consequently they go on loan to some non descript club that means nothing to them and go through the motions of playing with little glory and mostly ignominy bulging out of their back pockets.
It's a tragedy that repeats itself time and time again as these impressionable young lads just turn to the greedy agent and smile in the warmth of their love and affection for their unquestionable talent (I mean short term worth)
Twats. The lot of them
I think a case could be made in the respect where he did leave us but go to a Championship club instead of the Prem like i said in the first place.To me,it was as obvious as the day is long that the Prem was a too bigger step up for him playing wise,this led to him been a bit greedy like you suggest and taking the pound signs and advice of somebody who obviously knows fuck all about football.
So the overall verdict is signing for Hull,for footballing reasons alone was a shocking move,but signing for the pounds was a great move for him and all this was quite clear to me from the start.That is the way footballers are unfortunately but tbh who can blame them when they are given advice by complete and utter twats as you rightly say,who are just looking for a nice payday.It's always going to happen while ever there are agents sniffing around,tossers.
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
The mind set of most young English footballers suggests that if they were Turkey's they would all still vote for Christmas.
Stuffing and everything
Stuffing and everything
Sheff de party
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That's well written and well argued, but I still disagree. This season he either gets a game or goes on loan to the Championship, either way it's a better standard than playing for us. If Hull stay up, he still has a chance but if he falls short, he still lands at a better side than us. If Hull go down, their first choice defenders will be off and he gets a game.
What's the worst that can happen? He's hardly going to be playing non-league in 3 years, whether he gets a game or not. If I were him, I'd have left.
I agree that it was time to move on for the lad,i just thought for his development to continue he would have been better going to a Championship club and grown as a player with them,instead he chose the pound signs with which he was badly advised for football reasons.
You're right he won't be playing non league in 3 years,but his career could easily go downhill from here on in and all that for what?money.He could easily have been getting a very good wedge and playing at a genuine club who are willing to bring him on in the Championship imo.
Sheff de party
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I see what you're saying and in many cases I'd agree, but not for Harry. I don't think he'll make it as a Prem-standard player. He might think that a) this is his only chance or b) with better facillities/coaches/players he will get a lot better c) might think he's good enough or d) He knows he's not, so he takes the money. Whichever, he signs for Hull.
I think to leave the pre-season favourites for League One to sign for a championship club doesn't make sense for him. If that was his best move, he should stay with us and see if we go up.
As it stands, I don't think his rep will get any better pre-Premier League, certainly not in league one, so if i were him i'd have signed for Hull. They'll most likely be in the championship within 3 years anyway.
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
The lad needs to play real games to develop otherwise he is wasting his time. Any move that reduces the opportunity for this to happen is a bad move, whatever division.
The decision to move to Dull was a bad one for Harry's development. Sitting on the side lines waiting for relegation to climb up a pecking order is not a career move. Engineering a move and then being loaned out to a Champ club is an embarrassment for him as it tells him he is not good enough in the eyes of his new employers.
It's clear that he is now finding that the grass is not greener. He was advised poorly and made the wrong choice. The evidence is there before everyone's eyes. One start in a nothing Euro qualifier and then dropped. He could have played 7 games in the last month but has played just 1.
Long and short of it is that he was not ready for the move.
The decision to move to Dull was a bad one for Harry's development. Sitting on the side lines waiting for relegation to climb up a pecking order is not a career move. Engineering a move and then being loaned out to a Champ club is an embarrassment for him as it tells him he is not good enough in the eyes of his new employers.
It's clear that he is now finding that the grass is not greener. He was advised poorly and made the wrong choice. The evidence is there before everyone's eyes. One start in a nothing Euro qualifier and then dropped. He could have played 7 games in the last month but has played just 1.
Long and short of it is that he was not ready for the move.
Pierre's PC
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If he moved for footballing reasons then it's obviously because he would prefer a job Sat on his arse rather than playing.
Do I feel for the lad? Do I Fuck!
Do I feel for the lad? Do I Fuck!
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
The worst that can happen is that he plays no competitive games - just the few U21 matches and gets totally disillusioned with the game and his career nose dives into obscurity. It's known in these parts as a Slew.
Who's to say a Champ club will loan him anyway? They may also conclude he is not ready to gamble on for their first team. If he gets a loan move and doesn't hit the deck running then he will be sidelined again. There is no guarantee that he will get game time under any circumstances since he left us. That was his choice and he made a very ill advised move at best and a career limiting one at worst.
Silent Blade
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Jordan's Slew's agent was Mark Rankine when he was advised to go to Blackburn. Who is Maguire's agent? I hate football agents! Just read that Chelsea are loaning out 26 players!!
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-loan-players-change-rules-wild-west-football
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-loan-players-change-rules-wild-west-football
Jim Chimmerney
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He will have pretty much made himself a guaranteed millionaire with this move, so from that point of view you can understand it, plus he (and his agent) will have been hoping that it will turn out like Kyle Walker rather than Jordan Slew.
It's a gamble no doubt, he could have stayed with us, he could (maybe) have gone to Wolves and probably played a full season in the Chumpionship. he may have broken his leg in pre-season and ended his career, who knows.
You can't argue with his decision, he will be training with better players and may well get a season in the Chumpionship but that also has it's issues and potential pitfalls. Time will tell.
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Didnt Kyle Walker take ages to break into the Spurs team?
Silent Blade
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The club made Kyle Walker accept the move as Kyle wasnt looking to leave us
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
Spurs vs Dull
You're 'avin a larf int'yer?
Better players?
Blades first team vs Dull U21 stiffs
Have you just been defrosted or summat?
I see no evidence whatsoever that it was the right time to move. Dull is certainly not the right club to move to.
He considered himself better than he is. His agent wanted the money. Harry is now faced with "footballing" decisions he doesn't want. His choices now are sticking in the stiffs and getting no competitive games or being loaned out to a bottom half, struggling Champ side. On what planet in any galaxy are they "football reasons?"
Slew
Zaha
Powell
Mellis
I could go on
All have played limited football since "big money" moves - relatively speaking for our lads. They are all pounds richer but life poorer. Still, what's life and happiness anyway compared to wad and ignominy?
.... And Chelsea - loaning out 26 players - that's utterly obscene.
You're 'avin a larf int'yer?
Better players?
Blades first team vs Dull U21 stiffs
Have you just been defrosted or summat?
I see no evidence whatsoever that it was the right time to move. Dull is certainly not the right club to move to.
He considered himself better than he is. His agent wanted the money. Harry is now faced with "footballing" decisions he doesn't want. His choices now are sticking in the stiffs and getting no competitive games or being loaned out to a bottom half, struggling Champ side. On what planet in any galaxy are they "football reasons?"
Slew
Zaha
Powell
Mellis
I could go on
All have played limited football since "big money" moves - relatively speaking for our lads. They are all pounds richer but life poorer. Still, what's life and happiness anyway compared to wad and ignominy?
.... And Chelsea - loaning out 26 players - that's utterly obscene.
Cyprus Blade
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Things might be getting worse for young Harry as there are reports today that Hull owner may be looking to bale out - hope we have got our transfer money. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-sale-60million-controversial-owner-4192100
Jim Chimmerney
Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden
You've answered your own question, in a month or so he'll probably be playing in the Chumpionship (higher level than he was) and be earning 3 or 4 times as much money as he was with us. He'll get his rewards in time one way or another as his ability finds its level but in the meantime, at 21 years of age, he's taken a step up and set himself up financially.
As I say, time will tell whether he turns out to be a Walker or a Slew but in the meantime he's done nothing wrong career wise.
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
Those who advance their careers get big money moves when the time is right to play in the first team at their new club
Those that move for the money get stock piled in the stiffs and loaned out to this club and to that club and all too often drift into being a journeyman pro, achieving very little by the time they are 30+. So, I dispute the statement that he has done nothing wrong career wise (at this moment in his development) because I separate out career from remuneration.
Outside of football you could end up in a job that gives you no advancement, no enjoyment and no career progression that earns you a good wedge - many people will settle for that because, let's face it, most of us work to live and not to other way around - but it's different for footballers with such a short time in the prime of health, so moving just for the money is not necessarily a well advised career move.
At the end of a footballers working lifespan I'll bet you nearly all of them would prefer a taste of glory over a slightly larger wedge of money that they can easily spunk away in less then a decade. If you speak to ex pro's it's the stories they have and the good times they remember that enriches their lives - not the flashy car or the trophy clunge on the end of their weiner. The ephemeral nature of the trappings associated with the quick buck is a young man's hollow dream compared to the solid and lasting achievements they can actually make on the hallowed turf.
Harry is a footballer - if he is not playing competitive first team football at the club that purchased him then how is that a well thought out and considered career move? At his time of life and at his stage of development he needs consistency and regularity in playing the game he is equipped to perform in. Sitting on his arse at Hull, pissing about in U21 kickabouts or waiting for the manager to call him in to see if he wants to go on loan at Blackpool or Udders or Fulham or similar for a month or three is not a career move.
Jim Chimmerney
Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden
Can't argue with that but unless you have a crystal ball, you don't know how it will pan out. At this moment in time, he's done nothing wrong that's all I'm saying.
Kyle Walker came back to us, went out on loan twice more and ended up in the England squad within 2 years of leaving us. On the other hand, there are players and managers who have turned down moves to higher clubs at various points and ended up in the lower divisions all their careers with the odd 'glory' appearance in a play-off or JPT final.
Jordan Slew jumped too soon but Harry has served his apprenticeship for three years and professionally needed to challenge himself, nothing wrong with that. whether he made the right decision club wise, only time will tell.
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