Hamson and Stainrod have their say

[The Crab]

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the DCL, Ramsdale and Brooks sales went toward signings that (temporarily at least) got us to the prem.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I think the norwich model people refer to is

• don’t sell the best players
• keep the manager
• go again

It was also
• get promoted
• spend £2.50
• Delia banks £100m .

 

[Swinton Blade]

£800,000 I believe, peanuts
Forgot to mention Ramsdale for £1,000,000

How much do you reckon we should have sold them for?

 

[Torrix1889]

The "Should have followed Norwich" thing is grinding my gears. Norwich have a director of football who makes the signings and appointed an unknown foreigner to coach them. That's the Norwich model and it's one CHRIS WILDER seemed petrified The Prince will do.

Fixed it for you...

 

[Crabstick]

Isn't Stainrod something you get when you've been up the missus' arse?

 

[The Crab]

How much do you reckon we should have sold them for?

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Just for the sake of accuracy, Farke, nor anybody else, made Norwich City a lot of money. They made a profit of £2m last season. You read that right, two million pounds.

Norwich City's total wage bill last season was £89 million.

Nevertheless, they weren't daft enough to think they could easily establish themselves, and they already knew the pitfalls of overspending from their previous short sojourns which put them in a position where they pretty much had to get promoted in 2019 to prevent some sort of death spiral.

Nobody comes out of this resignation/sacking/mutual consent thing well.

Not to keep battering it over the head but player trading has been so bad I can't find a word in the thesaurus to describe it. It would be one thing if we'd overpaid for players, but several have been signed who should never even have been considered for the Premier League.

Last month I still thought it would be more than likely that we'd be up amongst the promotion runners next season with a little bit of spring cleaning. Now I'm more concerned that we'll end up, not like Huddersfield Town, but more like Bradford City.

By a lot of money I meant took them from mid championship to premiership and likely to do so again. Two lots of promotion fees.

I don't know the full financial situation of any.club I'm just going by what he's done in his time there

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

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If Steve Oakes likes it, it's enough for me to hate it

 

[Bladeloyal]

All I'll say is when I've trained at shirecliffe I found it excellent the indoor facilities are first class .think he's getting mixed up with middlewood road

 

[Chingo]

If Steve Oakes likes it, it's enough for me to hate it

So you know spike then ?

 

[Chilttheblade]

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the DCL, Ramsdale and Brooks sales went toward signings that (temporarily at least) got us to the prem.

Agree with that of course, but look where we are now . Was it all worth it? It worked for Wilder and the players but long term ,not so sure

 

[Chilttheblade]

How much do you reckon we should have sold them for?

Kept them , they came though the academy,build a team around them ,that's the way to do it

 

[The Crab]

Agree with that of course, but look where we are now . Was it all worth it? It worked for Wilder and the players but long term ,not so sure

I agree, all I can come back with is hindsight is a wonderful thing.

DCL I'd say has developed more at Everton than he might have done with us (just my opinion).

Rammers was a work in progress, and IIRC struggled a bit when Bournemouth loaned him out (Chessie I think).

Brooks, yeah that was a mistake, but we were most likely powerless to stop it. Did Brooks want the move? End of the day, like most players, he's more about career progression than loyalty to one particular club. Thats not meant as a criticism, it's just a fact of life. Every club, with one or two exceptions, is a selling club, it's just a matter of price.

 

[BlairBlade]

I didn’t come from a football family, Gary Hamson’s goal against Liverpool convinced me to be a blade when I was 9

Is that what earned him his trip (down, down, down!) to Elland Road?

 

[BlairBlade]

It was also
• get promoted
• spend £2.50
• Delia banks £100m .

I think you have hit the nail on the head there - "spend £2.50".
(Don't tell Lineker.)

 

[SwissBlade]

But surely you follow it all or don't bother, rather than selecting bits that are a little more palatable?

It's like cooking a pie without the crust

I know plenty of other people have commented similar about the details of the "Norwich model".

I don't think anyone has said that we need to adopt the blueprints to the mm, but i think what most (pundits/ experts as well) have said is that Norwich are a good example of how not sacking your manager can be a positive, because the results can come back.

There are lots of differences between ourselves and Norwich, but one thing is that we both had a manager that was building something. Why change that when you're faced with a huge gap between resources.

The default position in England (and globally) is as soon as there is trouble, you throw away the entire plan and start again. Or worse still, you keep the plan, but change the manager.

For me, Wilder at least had a plan, it evolved and adapted over time. It probably evolved during this season, but he will have had a plan for staying up in Jan and then one for going down.

The staying up plan is out of the window, stick with the bounce back plan.... which i think is what got Wilder sacked was it not?

 

[benn5712]

I thought one reason Norwich didn't spend last year was because they had debts. PL money was used to clear them.
Could be wrong... as usual.

 

[The Crab]

I know plenty of other people have commented similar about the details of the "Norwich model".

I don't think anyone has said that we need to adopt the blueprints to the mm, but i think what most (pundits/ experts as well) have said is that Norwich are a good example of how not sacking your manager can be a positive, because the results can come back.

There are lots of differences between ourselves and Norwich, but one thing is that we both had a manager that was building something. Why change that when you're faced with a huge gap between resources.

The default position in England (and globally) is as soon as there is trouble, you throw away the entire plan and start again. Or worse still, you keep the plan, but change the manager.

For me, Wilder at least had a plan, it evolved and adapted over time. It probably evolved during this season, but he will have had a plan for staying up in Jan and then one for going down.

The staying up plan is out of the window, stick with the bounce back plan.... which i think is what got Wilder sacked was it not?

Good points.

Didn't a similar thing happen with Swansea a while back? They seemed to follow a plan for a while but the minute it went a bit wrong and they threw the baby out with the bath water

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Kept them , they came though the academy,build a team around them ,that's the way to do it

Ramsdale's contract was up. 5 months later he could have walked and we'd have got a lot less for compensation.

 

[bornablade]

Kept them , they came though the academy,build a team around them ,that's the way to do it

'Build a team around them..'

We should have played Jordan Slew yesterday. That would've made a difference.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I'm still angry about travelling all the way to Exeter and watching him score an own goal after 14 seconds.

So am I
Did we lose by four that day ?
Makes yesterday seem not that bad

 

[EddieColquhoun]

So am I
Did we lose by four that day ?
Makes yesterday seem not that bad

On memory, we were 2-0 down after about 8 minutes, but battled back to lose 3-1 and the away end was 14 steps deep
Silent Blade may beg to differ

 

[BushBlade]

Most of us on here thought we'd got the best of the deal when DCL was sold.

'Got Everton with their pants down' was the favoured response.

If you thought at the time £800,000 was peanuts then you're wasted on here.

I suggest you apply for the vacant manager's position

£1.5m plus add ons.

 

[BushBlade]

Good points.

Didn't a similar thing happen with Swansea a while back? They seemed to follow a plan for a while but the minute it went a bit wrong and they threw the baby out with the bath water

They changed ownership. Sold out to some consortium. American I think, hence Bob Bradley.

 

[Rudders]

They changed ownership. Sold out to some consortium. American I think, hence Brad Bobbley.

Fixed it for you!

 

[Chilttheblade]

'Build a team around them..'

We should have played Jordan Slew yesterday. That would've made a difference.

'Build a team around them..'

We should have played Jordan Slew yesterday. That would've made a difference.

Yes him too
No those players I mentioned were sold by the Omnipotent Messiah who's one of our own

 

[oldblade]

Who the fuck are Hamson and Stainrod?

Gary Hamson scored the winning goal against Liverpool in the second round of the League cup in the 1978-9 season. We were a struggling second division outfit. Liverpool went on to win the first division title. A high spot in an erratic and ultimately disappointing season.

Moments of hope came with the 5-1 and 3-0 demolitions of high flying Notts County and West Ham, along with a 3-1 away win at Newcastle. All in the space of 4 games which gave me an attack of foolish optimism that we were going to beat the drop after all.

Edit - There was also the superb Anderson goal against (I think) Sunderland.

 

[AlienWoodward]

The ex pig QPR fan referred to us as “we”.

And for any child growing up in the 70’s in Liverpool’s dominance, Gary Hamson needs no further qualification.

That goal is framed in print and signed on my wall.Possibly the most emotional goal I've ever seen at the lane other than Dane Whitehouse v Wendy

 

[oldblade]

Sheffield United v Liverpool 1-0 (League Cup: August 28, 1978) – "Play Up, Liverpool"