Outgoing? Hamer

[andy m]

Absolutely but it won’t be the first time it’s happened. My understanding is they’ve made a payment to buy the club (or payments) not paid in full?

I believe the consortium thought we were going up and made the gamble that the Cannon signing would act as insurance to achieve that. If they’ve borrowed the money for Cannon that’s the first red flag for me.

I’m not yet convinced by these owners and you can call it as some would on here, bed wetting or flouncing, it doesn’t matter.

I hope I’m wrong but let’s just say time will tell

You are not flouncing at all. Bedwetting, definitely.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Regardless you've completely missed the point I was making, which isn't the first time.

My point in brief is that Wilder's system was based on results and winning, Selles appears to be about maximising each players individual strengths and allowing them to shine by letting them play their natural game within a system.

Perhaps if all your points weren't smeared with jabs at Wilder they'd be more agreeable.

 

[Blade58]

Are you suggesting they have only paid the Prince a first installment?

No not really.

I’m suggesting as with a lot of these contractual agreements, it’s based on payments and not necessarily £105m up front. Whether that amounts to a payment or a number of payments after 8 months I’ve no idea.

 

[Gin&Juice]

No not really.

I’m suggesting as with a lot of these contractual agreements, it’s based on payments and not necessarily £105m up front. Whether that amounts to a payment or a number of payments after 8 months I’ve no idea.

They went through loads of testing by the EFL. They had to prove they could fund and sustain us.

 

[Blade58]

You are not flouncing at all. Bedwetting, definitely.

lol nice one
Didn’t think it would take long
Let’s see what happens over the coming weeks shall we?

 

[Blade58]

They went through loads of testing by the EFL. They had to prove they could fund and sustain us.

They sure did.

 

[Railway Blade]

Are you suggesting they have only paid the Prince a first installment?

Not sure how much of the debt they have paid but it's unlikely to be all. The prince still has a charge registered on the assets of the club. That charge is only satisfied when he's paid in full. The charge is still outstanding and still registered at Companies House.

 

[54yrblade]

But who owns the freehold?

 

[bladesmanluke]

Selling Hamer is throwing the towel in for the season at any price.

 

[brownblade]

No not really.

I’m suggesting as with a lot of these contractual agreements, it’s based on payments and not necessarily £105m up front. Whether that amounts to a payment or a number of payments after 8 months I’ve no idea.

I'll let one of our business gurus iron this out

 

[Blade56]

No not really.

I’m suggesting as with a lot of these contractual agreements, it’s based on payments and not necessarily £105m up front. Whether that amounts to a payment or a number of payments after 8 months I’ve no idea.

You’ve eluded to inside knowledge in the past. Are these worrying assertions based on anything solid or speculative we could be treading in the steps of our neighbours.?

Dangerous territory.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Perhaps if all your points weren't smeared with jabs at Wilder they'd be more agreeable.

It wasn't a jab at Wilder, it was demonstrating the difference in approach between Wilder and Selles. There is absolutely no point having any kind of dialogue with you when you completely miss the point then start arguments with people.

 

[AWetFlannel]

It wasn't a jab at Wilder, it was demonstrating the difference in approach between Wilder and Selles. There is absolutely no point having any kind of dialogue with you when you completely miss the point then start arguments with people.

I wasn't trying to have a dialogue with you. There were about 6 jabs at Wilder in your post, for my own sanity and those who agree with me the tedious black and white, good and bad way of talking about a club legend and football in general wants calling out.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I wasn't trying to have a dialogue with you. There were about 6 jabs at Wilder in your post, for my own sanity and those who agree with me the tedious black and white, good and bad way of talking about a club legend and football in general wants calling out.

So saying anything critical about Wilder’s approach to football are jabs now? So anyone who says they didn't like Wilder shutting up shop when we went ahead are anti-Wilder and making jabs. It really is pointless having any kind of conversation or debate with you when you are that narrow minded.

If you think I made 6 jabs that were incorrect, then correct them. That's how you debate and have dialogue with people.

 

[ATL Recs]

Why buy a football club for £100m if you have no money? There's no need for conspiracy when common sense is available.

Well they are paying for the club via instalments doesnt mean they are going to throw money at it
The Cannon purchase was a gamble ffs surely it would have been better used to get a CH surely Wilder would have wanted this … then again

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Well they are paying for the club via instalments doesnt mean they are going to throw money at it
The Cannon purchase was a gamble ffs surely it would have been better used to get a CH surely Wilder would have wanted this … then again

I would probably suggest that seeing the return on investment on thier cannon purchase (which is close to zero at this point). They might not be as keen on spending massively this window.

I’m sure there will be some money available, probably sustained by outgoings like Souza. But we aren’t going to have a top 4/5 budget I would imagine. I’d doubt it’s even going to be top 6.

I’d hope for a couple of permanent signing and at least giving Selles the required players for his formation and the way he wants to play. Otherwise it’s another Slav season, set up for failure.

 

[Tongeincheek]

I would probably suggest that seeing the return on investment on thier cannon purchase (which is close to zero at this point). They might not be as keen on spending massively this window.

I’m sure there will be some money available, probably sustained by outgoings like Souza. But we aren’t going to have a top 4/5 budget I would imagine. I’d doubt it’s even going to be top 6.

I’d hope for a couple of permanent signing and at least giving Selles the required players for his formation and the way he wants to play. Otherwise it’s another Slav season, set up for failure.

I think one of the most frustrating things about getting new owners is that they are bound to repeat mistakes that the previous owner already had to learn from.

Mistake 1: Letting Wilder spend 8 figures on a striker
Mistake 2: (if it happens) getting in a new manager and not recruiting the personnel he needs
Mistake 3: (future mistake) ... I don't know... maybe they hire Yusuf Giansiracusa to come back out of nowhere, and set up a press conference so that he can tell us all that he hates football and having to talk to fans?

 

[tincan]

I think one of the most frustrating things about getting new owners is that they are bound to repeat mistakes that the previous owner already had to learn from.

Mistake 1: Letting Wilder spend 8 figures on a striker
Mistake 2: (if it happens) getting in a new manager and not recruiting the personnel he needs
Mistake 3: (future mistake) ... I don't know... maybe they hire Yusuf Giansiracusa to come back out of nowhere, and set up a press conference so that he can tell us all that he hates football and having to talk to fans?

Its notable that both football advisors the investment group employed in the Cannon purchase -Wilder and Des Taylor, have now left the club. COH have to show decisiveness to investors when it comes to major losses to maintain their credibility.
Maybe they are currently following the Bettis recruiting model of waiting till August end to get the best market value. If that fails, Bettis will be next out the door..