Outgoing? Hamer

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Harry's Game said:
Like all players he wants to move forward with his career not back, he turned down Leeds last season, hot promotion contenders in the Championship, in favour of a move to relegation favourites in the Premier League, he’s not going to want to play for a club that will have a very low chance of being in Promotion contention when Premier League clubs are sniffing around.
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Its your opinion then that's fine and I agree with all of that and it could happen.
But surely based on that every player we have will be doing that like Arblaster even Robinson has done ok in the Premiership..
 

Broomhall Blade said:
Its your opinion then that's fine and I agree with all of that and it could happen.
But surely based on that every player we have will be doing that like Arblaster even Robinson has done ok in the Premiership..
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I would not be totally shocked if someone took a punt on Arblaster,

Robbo has been our best defender but that’s a low bar, he still wouldn’t get in any other teams defence in the Prem.. he‘s decent at Champ level.
 
mattbianco1 said:
We cant sell Hamer. We need to build around him and Arblaster.

Sell Anel and Souza. Could get £20m back on them 2
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Matt, all about opinions but I would be amazed if we got £20m combined for those two

Inflated prices these days I accept, but any club interested and who have been running the rule over those two players I’m sure won’t be looking at those sort of values

Imo, if we paid £3m for Anel and managed to get £5m for him I’d be happy. As for Souza I don’t know but certainly single figures

I wish we could just get rid of our perceived dross, but it’s far more likely that it’s our best players who will get the interest ☹️
 
Strange thread this one.

People on here often are critical of Nixon, why do people believe him this time?

Who are we going to sell of quality to raise funds? Clubs often sell assets when relegated from the premier league, as many people have pointed out all season we have virtually no assets of quality.

id like Hamer to stay, i really would, and id rather have both Hamer and Blaster in the same team, but like it or not our funds are limited so id rather keep Blaster and build a youthful team around him.
 
Blade58 said:
Matt, all about opinions but I would be amazed if we got £20m combined for those two

Inflated prices these days I accept, but any club interested and who have been running the rule over those two players I’m sure won’t be looking at those sort of values

Imo, if we paid £3m for Anel and managed to get £5m for him I’d be happy. As for Souza I don’t know but certainly single figures

I wish we could just get rid of our perceived dross, but it’s far more likely that it’s our best players who will get the interest ☹️
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If we only get offered £5m for Anel then he wont be going, despite what him and his Dad might have to say on the matter.
 
Grizzly blade said:
The other thing….if we manage to get rid of the shite we paid money for…aka Souza, Slimane, Traore, Trusty…we will have made a loss, and quite a big one.

Headline figures for these sums around £20m plus….we will be lucky to recoup a third of that outlay.
So someone coming in and offering what we paid for Hamer plus the sum of what we look to be losing on those whoppers will be tempting I’m sure!
So even if we sell Hamer for £25m, don’t expect a spending spree of any kind unless all of that other dross has found a new club as well.
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Circa £16/17m fees paid (probably less with incentives/installments etc)... We'd only get £5/6m back?

Souza's probably had enough good games for his agent to persuade someone that needs a destroyer type. Can/will blame the team around him for poor performances. I'd be surprised if we couldn't get £5m for him, as mad as that might seem to Blades fans that hate him now.

Slimane, Traore and Trusty could be useful/good in the Championship - I don't imagine Traore will be made permanent at Nantes so we may as well try him in Championship.
 
HOT CURRIE 10 said:
I thought you were a lot more sensible than that Mattbianco,£20 million for those two,I would be astonished if we got £8 million for the pair,then we would have had the buyers pants down. There is no doubt either that we will sell Hamer and Arblaster if a decent bid came in,he’s mortgaged the parachute payments so we have to sell assets to survive,every club has to do it.
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I think you under estimate how much players cost these days.

Souza cost us £12m and has now had a season in the PL and La Liga under his belt.

Anel, as much as he's downed tools for us, is a very good defender when his head is on it.

We're talking about a league where teams like Brentford pay £25m for Nathan Collins
 
Same reason everyone wants to keep Arblaster and Hamer and wants to get rid of Souza and Anel are the same reasons Arblaster and Hamer are our only two saleable assets and we'll not get anything like what people imagine for Anel or Souza.

We sold Ramsdale when we went down last time for I think up to £26 million eventually and we still ended up in a transfer embargo, minus 2 points for next season and had to sell Ndiaye and Berge at the start of this season.

Pains me to say it but I don't think Hamer and Arblaster will be here next season, and one of them will probably just be to cover the losses for Souza.

Maybe the Archer deal lets us keep Arblaster for an extra season or his new contract lets us hold out for a proper few but either way not confident about the coming seasons 😕
 
Hamer was bought as a Championship player.
He's now shown he can just about survive in the PL.
It's likely there was a relegation clause in his contract so his wages will drop + he'll want a move.
But imo he logically must be worth substantially more now than what we paid.
If there is a release clause in his contract for less than £25m that would be the stupidest in a long line of our stupid decisions.
If there's no release clause , we are gonna have to play hardball and keep him against his wishes , unless we want to set a record for stupidity.
I know that players are mercenary , but if they have ambition , they are gonna play to the best of their ability in the hope of a good move in the future.
We can't expect to challenge high in the Championship if we sell a player who has a record of success there.
If we sell him , we are clearly not intending to do well next season.
Like last summer's window showed we were clearly not intending to avoid relegation.
 
mattbianco1 said:
I think you under estimate how much players cost these days.

Souza cost us £12m and has now had a season in the PL and La Liga under his belt.

Anel, as much as he's downed tools for us, is a very good defender when his head is on it.

We're talking about a league where teams like Brentford pay £25m for Nathan Collins
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I’m not underestimating at all,have you seen both of them play against a reasonable (not top class) player this season ? Both cut to shreds any game you would like to mention apart from 2/3 . Clubs aren’t going to pay any where close to the fees we have in mind. I doubt any scout in the premiership would go back to their club with a glowing report from either of them. I hope I’m wrong for funds to rebuild as neither player wants to be here and the attitude stinks . Bearing in mind (a rebuild) under Wilder could be a laugh .
 
Colombia Blade said:
Same reason everyone wants to keep Arblaster and Hamer and wants to get rid of Souza and Anel are the same reasons Arblaster and Hamer are our only two saleable assets and we'll not get anything like what people imagine for Anel or Souza.

We sold Ramsdale when we went down last time for I think up to £26 million eventually and we still ended up in a transfer embargo, minus 2 points for next season and had to sell Ndiaye and Berge at the start of this season.

Pains me to say it but I don't think Hamer and Arblaster will be here next season, and one of them will probably just be to cover the losses for Souza.

Maybe the Archer deal lets us keep Arblaster for an extra season or his new contract lets us hold out for a proper few but either way not confident about the coming seasons 😕
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We clearly planned for relegation on the field so FFS we ought to have planned for it financially - especially after all the previous financial issues.
Last year's PL cash was supposed to have GT put our £ house in order.
Yes we have a lot out of contract but we have known for ages that replacements will need to be bought or borrowed this summer + we have parachute payments.
If we sell either Hamer or Blaster and keep either Anel or Souza , it will surely prove our lack of ambition.
No amount of bluster & bullshit from the owner/club will cut any ice.
 

HOT CURRIE 10 said:
I’m not underestimating at all,have you seen both of them play against a reasonable (not top class) player this season ? Both cut to shreds any game you would like to mention apart from 2/3 . Clubs aren’t going to pay any where close to the fees we have in mind. I doubt any scout in the premiership would go back to their club with a glowing report from either of them. I hope I’m wrong for funds to rebuild as neither player wants to be here and the attitude stinks . Bearing in mind (a rebuild) under Wilder could be a laugh .
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If Anel & Souza don't want to be here and we don't want them either , then there must be a solution.
Easier than for Gbric , who probably wants to continue his contract , but we want him gone.
Can someone remind me of how you sell a player who's reluctant to leave ?
Normally the threat of playing in the reserves is enough , but Gbric has happily done that at his last club , so it water off a duck's back to him.
Is there any way of getting rid apart from loaning out ?
 
Keen Blade said:
We clearly planned for relegation on the field so FFS we ought to have planned for it financially - especially after all the previous financial issues.
Last year's PL cash was supposed to have GT put our £ house in order.
Yes we have a lot out of contract but we have known for ages that replacements will need to be bought or borrowed this summer + we have parachute payments.
If we sell either Hamer or Blaster and keep either Anel or Souza , it will surely prove our lack of ambition.
No amount of bluster & bullshit from the owner/club will cut any ice.
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Agreed. Always assumed that Ndiaye and Berge paid for Hamer and Souza, Archer paid for himself almost, then the rest were all "small change" punts for a team with premier league money. If Davies keeps fit for next season I'd almost forgive selling Hamer but if Hamer and Arblaster both get sold then it'd seem our financial situation is pretty grim with not a lot of room for a rebuild or it's a money grab from the owner
 
mattbianco1 said:
I think you under estimate how much players cost these days.

Souza cost us £12m and has now had a season in the PL and La Liga under his belt.

Anel, as much as he's downed tools for us, is a very good defender when his head is on it.

We're talking about a league where teams like Brentford pay £25m for Nathan Collins
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And they’ve decent years on their contracts unlike Sander and Illi, this should always be factored into any price.
 
Suomi_Blade said:
Strange thread this one.

People on here often are critical of Nixon, why do people believe him this time?

Who are we going to sell of quality to raise funds? Clubs often sell assets when relegated from the premier league, as many people have pointed out all season we have virtually no assets of quality.

id like Hamer to stay, i really would, and id rather have both Hamer and Blaster in the same team, but like it or not our funds are limited so id rather keep Blaster and build a youthful team around him.
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I recall Bettis saying that the finances were stabilised to the extent that we would not be forced to sell (unless for silly money) on relegation.
That's why we didn't spend much last summer.
Each new statement appears to be an ex post facto justification for the last piece of bad news.
And then it gets a bit worse than expected.
I'd hoped we'd stopped this trend.
We'll find out this summer.
(Obviously I don't expect the club to start refuting every rumour , thereby giving away their strengths & weaknesses).
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating , at the end of the window.
 
Keen Blade said:
Normally the threat of playing in the reserves is enough , but Gbric has happily done that at his last club , so it water off a duck's back to him.
Is there any way of getting rid apart from loaning out ?
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There's a huge difference between sitting on the bench in the Championship or the Champions League though. I won't be at all surprised if he wants out if he's not the number 1.
 
Thrice said:
There's a huge difference between sitting on the bench in the Championship or the Champions League though. I won't be at all surprised if he wants out if he's not the number 1.
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That's encouraging - he's clearly not no.1 just now and I hope we're not thinking he will be as anytime soon.
Good fecking bye.
As a club we have got to grow a pair - if they're crap or they don't wanna be here they can do one.
I'm sick of players who think we should be honoured to have them.
If we don't ship him out this window , we look like a bunch of pussies waiting for the next player to come and take the piss out of us.
We are currently a laughing stock - we need to assert ourselves.
 
Keen Blade said:
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating , at the end of the window
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As long people realise it's Championship level fast food pudding, not afternoon tea at the savoy Premier pudding, then I think we will be all good.
 
Last time we came down we had £60 mill downpayment on Brewster McBurnie and Berge . Probably still paying but less than then I imagine.
 
I do agree we need to get into the habit of selling more players on. But we can bring in quite a bit of cash without selling Hamer, I should think. So unless someone is going to offer us a decent profit on Hamer, which I very much doubt, I think he will be with us next season.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Could see a West Ham, or a Brentford bid for him….but as others said it’s bolllocks we would sell for what we paid.

A year in the prem where he proved that when played to suit him he will score and create….has plenty of contract….bidding starts at £25m.

Anyone coming in with less should and I suspect will be told to multiply.

Don’t fall for the hysterics, I’m the biggest critic of this owner and board but selling cheap isn’t in his playbook!!
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Really? West Ham and Brentford would hugely surprise me.
He’s not exactly been a huge success and I’d think there will rightly be significant doubts by lots of PL teams.
 

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