Great response from Wilder..

[Pollingtonblade]

Says it as it is and just as it should be said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04j1g14

UTB

Wow I don't think I've ever heard a United manager bollock the players for an away draw! I get the impression they've got a right bollocking after the game.

"I want to win"

You get the impression that if players Fanny about they'll be out the door.

 

[GrayBlade]

Wow I don't think I've ever heard a United manager bollock the players for an away draw! I get the impression they've got a right bollocking after the game.

"I want to win"

You get the impression that if players Fanny about they'll be out the door.

Yep you do. I've not been as confident in a manager finally sorting this club out since the days of Harry Bassett.

Other managers like Warnock and Adams spoke about supporting the Blades as kids, but Wilder is as passionate a Blade as any of us, he hurts and celebrates like we do. He also just happens to be a top manager who's on the up, and likes his teams to play quality football. They'll be a few disappointments along the way like yesterday's late goal, but I think it's time for us Blades to enjoy the ride and see where it takes us.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Why not the 2nd half vs Chesterfield?

Second half at Chesterfield? Well for one thing, from memory Basham wasn't wing back and Freeman played a big part. Fleck pushed on far further than usual and Duffy got into the game in important areas, Clarke was brilliant when he came on. Chesterfield, particularly their keeper, were way off the pace after putting so much into the first half and that had caused us difficulties then.

It's a 90 minute game obviously but I'm on about securing the points whilst dictating the game, particularly against teams who play two deep banks of defenders. We need strikers to get good service and to play in tandem too. We've not enough creators. Coutts is playing well in his preferred areas but I wish he would push on more, play quicker balls and do more damage around the opposition area.

 

[frank drebin]

Yesterday was about as excited as I've been as a Blade for a long time
Admittedly I was on my sofa at home and not there
But for a large portion of the game I was switching from.sky to s2 to the live league table to the fixtures to Bolton and Scunthorpe fixtures and back again
At one point we were 4 points behind sunny with Walsall to come on Tuesday and getting carried away that we would win that and be top by crimbo


Then slap
Back down to earth and although it's not the end of the world drawing at Charlton it was a stark reminder that as soon as you let yourself get carried away and giddy sheffield united will bring you back down to earth

Anyway the managers comments after really evened that out and I'm now curious as to what the future holds and that maybe a difference in culture around the club is exactly what we all need and this guy seems to have a totally different attitude to the rest of us

 

[Stretch]

Yesterday was about as excited as I've been as a Blade for a long time
Admittedly I was on my sofa at home and not there
But for a large portion of the game I was switching from.sky to s2 to the live league table to the fixtures to Bolton and Scunthorpe fixtures and back again
At one point we were 4 points behind sunny with Walsall to come on Tuesday and getting carried away that we would win that and be top by crimbo


Then slap
Back down to earth and although it's not the end of the world drawing at Charlton it was a stark reminder that as soon as you let yourself get carried away and giddy sheffield united will bring you back down to earth

Anyway the managers comments after really evened that out and I'm now curious as to what the future holds and that maybe a difference in culture around the club is exactly what we all need and this guy seems to have a totally different attitude to the rest of us

That pretty much sums up my Saturday afternoon as well Mr Drebin. The only difference being that I was also listening to the commentary on Blades player. I am just glad that the missus had taken the kids out because I let out an almighty 'Fuuucckk!!!' when they equalized, and I knew it was coming as soon as they got the FK.

Like you say, all part of the roller coaster that is United. Overall still loving this season so far though.

 

[Roygbiv]

Funnily enough I read this thread then went on Twitter to be greeted by the headline "Nigel Clough delighted with point"

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Funnily enough I read this thread then went on Twitter to be greeted by the headline "Nigel Clough delighted with point"

Them were days

 

[AWetFlannel]

Some of us seem to hate giving respect to the opposition, something Wilder does as much as Clough did.
When Wilder looses a few games I expect he will get dogs abuse for respecting lesser teams...

 

[davidblade]

Wow I don't think I've ever heard a United manager bollock the players for an away draw! I get the impression they've got a right bollocking after the game.

"I want to win"

You get the impression that if players Fanny about they'll be out the door.

Fucking too right they've ruined my weekend. I'm really pissed off.

 

[sitwell]

Nah, Clunt doesn't even come close to Wilder. He will not be a league manager in 3-5 years time.

Unfortunately you need to have a bit more up your sleeve than being Brians son.

Embarrassing.

 

[sitwell]

I think that's right and I said as much after the Bury and Shrewsbury games. For incisive play in the final third of the pitch our players do not have enough creativity against defensive teams.

Basham and Lafferty at wing back is not good enough creatively. Added to that Coutts and Fleck rarely further attacks centrally which would suit Sharp and Done more. Scougall flits in and out and Sharp and Done don't play that well together, nor do Sharp and Clarke. At least Clarke offers an aerial presence. Long, hopeful high crosses from the wing backs and defenders such as EEL and O'Connell are not very productive.

I think Wilder is saying that he is really disappointed that Done and Sharp don't play well together, his wing backs are ordinary and despite Sharp's goal haul we should have done a lot better as a team. He's happy with the work rate and commitment but it all looks a bit samey samey without more variation of attack and no signs of forward players developing understandings.

It's all about the manager's belief that his forward players can come up with the goods. He has assembled quality strikers in Lavery, Clarke to add to Done and Sharp and at this stage of the season he is not satisfied with their productivity as a group that's not gelling well enough.

I wasn't at Charlton, my views are based on the last two home games and the first half at Chesterfield, if half games are relevant. The manager's post match comments at Charlton do not surprise me at all though. We are not scoring enough goals when the opposition park the bus and that our possession and dominance warrant.

You do talk tripe , I take it you mean the same players who were top scorers in Europe before our last 2 wins and a draw ?

 

[super_pig]

he's right.. we aren't ruthless enough.. it's as though when bog and bobtail fc go down to 9 we feel sorry for them.. fuck that..
(i'm the knobhead on the kop screaming no prisoners btw)

 

[Woodwardfan]

You do talk tripe , I take it you mean the same players who were top scorers in Europe before our last 2 wins and a draw ?

Bearing in mind the topic of this thread, I'm trying to interpret the criticisms by the manager, what's your take on it sitwell?

Promise I won't refer to offal when you venture any opinion, if you have one.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Embarrassing.

Yeah I know, I remember it well.

 

[cahill]

Every Adkins interview should have ended with a softly spoken "Don't be a twat, Nige" from the interviewer.

When the fuck was that interview ? Shteeve McClaren is less embarrassing

 

[sitwell]

Bearing in mind the topic of this thread, I'm trying to interpret the criticisms by the manager, what's your take on it sitwell?

Promise I won't refer to offal when you venture any opinion, if you have one.

You've just had my opinion ,we were the top scorers in Europe 3 games ago ,since we have won 2 and drawn one unluckily in injury time. Hardly a team that aren't ruthless. To say we aren't creative is ridiculous ,did you go yesterday ? We aren't going to win every game and yesterday was arguably our most difficult fixture left. we dominated, created met up against a keeper in form and still drew. Don't start knee jerking ,changing the whole team saying we aren't good enough ,say again we will not win every game ,if they hadn't scored that goal what would you have posted.

 

[Woodwardfan]

You've just had my opinion ,we were the top scorers in Europe 3 games ago ,since we have won 2 and drawn one unluckily in injury time. Hardly a team that aren't ruthless. To say we aren't creative is ridiculous ,did you go yesterday ? We aren't going to win every game and yesterday was arguably our most difficult fixture left. we dominated, created met up against a keeper in form and still drew. Don't start knee jerking ,changing the whole team saying we aren't good enough ,say again we will not win every game ,if they hadn't scored that goal what would you have posted.

No, not my comments, the manager's criticisms. Why is the manager so annoyed? Why did he say that he had "let the players off the past couple of games" and yesterday was simply not good enough on top of those?

Is the manager talking rubbish? That's what the thread is about.

BTW an injury time goal conceded is no more unlucky than one scored is lucky.

 

[Woodwardfan]

You've just had my opinion ,we were the top scorers in Europe 3 games ago ,since we have won 2 and drawn one unluckily in injury time. Hardly a team that aren't ruthless. To say we aren't creative is ridiculous ,did you go yesterday ? We aren't going to win every game and yesterday was arguably our most difficult fixture left. we dominated, created met up against a keeper in form and still drew. Don't start knee jerking ,changing the whole team saying we aren't good enough ,say again we will not win every game ,if they hadn't scored that goal what would you have posted.

No, not my comments, the manager's criticisms. Why is the manager so annoyed? Why did he say that he had "let the players off the past couple of games" and yesterday was simply not good enough on top of those?

Is the manager talking rubbish? That's what the thread is about.

BTW an injury time goal conceded is no more unlucky than one scored is lucky.

Come on Sitwell, why is Wilder talking "tripe"? Top Euro scorers and all that?

 

[sitwell]

No, not my comments, the manager's criticisms. Why is the manager so annoyed? Why did he say that he had "let the players off the past couple of games" and yesterday was simply not good enough on top of those?

Is the manager talking rubbish? That's what the thread is about.

BTW an injury time goal conceded is no more unlucky than one scored is lucky.

Lucky in that we completely dominated the game.
Im not carrying this on anyway its going like your old 'discussions' thought you had 'done one 'anyway ?

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I take it you went - I didn't - so you will know better than me because I've only seen short video clips and heard stuff second hand. However, there are two observations I have: First, in common with the last 2 games, we struggled to put the ball in the net despite having all the possession. Second, the defending was awful from their free kick. Cult hero, 6' 4", Ebanks-Landell never even got off the ground and attempted to head it. Morgs would have eaten that ball in his day. Basham was another one who could/should have got a head somewhere near it.

I've heard Wilder's interview and do you know what's good about it? He picked out both these things and said exactly the same. He may not have named names like I have, but he referred to "3 big centre halves" being at fault. And they were. Some more than others. Look back at the video and see.

I agree we've got to be more ruthless in front of goal, especially If we are going to defend like that! And why did we concede a free kick in a dangerous area like that to begin with? You'll have look towards the ineffectual Lafferty for the answer to that one.

Very disappointed with the result in the end and I'm glad we have a manager who has the balls to say the same thing. Although if he'd said it on this forum he'd have got lambasted for being negative no doubt!

Mentions Jake going off at half time, our best defender in my humble opinion, just shows what a miss he can be.

 

[GrayBlade]

Mentions Jake going off at half time, our best defender in my humble opinion, just shows what a miss he can be.

Agreed. He's not the quickest but he more than makes up for it with his positional sense, and I think that he's also the best organiser.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Lucky in that we completely dominated the game.
Im not carrying this on anyway its going like your old 'discussions' thought you had 'done one 'anyway ?

At last you have got the point - the manager is worried and annoyed that we are not turning dominance into comfortable wins. Three games running and we have to be create more and better chances and score more goals. Wilder doesn't grab a goal and cling on, he likes to keep going for a cushion and we should be better with the strikers we have. Sharp can be excused but only to a certain degree, it's a collective effort and he hasn't established n effective partnership yet.

 

[Robby Blade]

Deanos return
Boborkis more performance
United completely overrunning a very good Sunderland side from start to finish
the energy and buzz from inside that stadium that day was the best I've ever felt

Would pay a kings ransom to experience it again just once

I didn't have a clue who Boborkis was when he started. Didn't take long to find out though. Yes it was a great feeling, but turned out as it always does.

 

[itsinyerblood]

At last you have got the point - the manager is worried and annoyed that we are not turning dominance into comfortable wins. Three games running and we have to be create more and better chances and score more goals. Wilder doesn't grab a goal and cling on, he likes to keep going for a cushion and we should be better with the strikers we have. Sharp can be excused but only to a certain degree, it's a collective effort and he hasn't established n effective partnership yet.

....but Wilder has taken us within a promotion push and maintained this approach, and done it without the 'effective partnership' you refer to. Scratching my head as to what Wilder's done wrong. Never mind, I bet old Chris sits up late most nights reading your advice and thinking, "this must be the most revolutionary tactical approach I've ever come across, better not say anything otherwise this bloke will have my job".

 

[Woodwardfan]

....but Wilder has taken us within a promotion push and maintained this approach, and done it without the 'effective partnership' you refer to. Scratching my head as to what Wilder's done wrong. Never mind, I bet old Chris sits up late most nights reading your advice and thinking, "this must be the most revolutionary tactical approach I've ever come across, better not say anything otherwise this bloke will have my job".

You misunderstand, I'm agreeing with what the manager said post match yesterday. That's what this thread is about. Wilder is not happy with recent performances and doesn't think 7 points including two odd goal wins against 9 men has been good enough.

 

[itsinyerblood]

You misunderstand, I'm agreeing with what the manager said post match yesterday. That's what this thread is about. Wilder is not happy with recent performances and doesn't think 7 points including two odd goal wins against 9 men has been good enough.

I don't recall Wilder suggesting he hasn't found an effective partnership yet.....you seem to be the sole poster who's made that comment.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't recall Wilder suggesting he hasn't found an effective partnership yet.....you seem to be the sole poster who's made that comment.

Do you think he has? Are you happy with Sharp and Done up front? Clarke played yesterday and may well get a run now.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Do you think he has? Are you happy with Sharp and Done up front? Clarke played yesterday and may well get a run now.

Not yet got the hang of this mind-reading lark, so no idea what Wilder thinks. According to many who attended the Charlton game, Clarke was less than impressive and incapable of putting in the shift that Wilder demands, answers on a postcard please.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Just watching Barcelona on sky and they have been very poor should be losing ( good goal disallowed ),really shows what can happen when players relax too much.I think Wilder senses a drop in our standards is round the corner and trying to nip it in the bud.not comparing us with Barca but simularities are there.We have come along way in a short time and improving as we go now is the time to really make it count and without the ruthlessness Wilder talks about we can lose our way very quickly .Astute management wants the team to kick on and not lose there way.
Good time to push the players as JTW is round the corner and he's looking for players who have the bottle to see it through.Could mean there will be a few casualties but sussing them out now gives him chance to bring in players who want it.There are one or two who could be lost , if players can't cope with pressure I'm sure Wilder will have them out. Thats what good management's about keeping players on there toes.
We have a great chance between now and the new year to cement our place in the top two , I think Wilder is intent on carrying that out ,I get the feeling
any player who can't cut it will be moved on at the first opportunity ,ruthless management, I like it !! .
I beleave we have a real winner here as with Harry Bassett and Warnock ,the difference being he beleaves in playing attractive football doing it.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not yet got the hang of this mind-reading lark, so no idea what Wilder thinks. According to many who attended the Charlton game, Clarke was less than impressive and incapable of putting in the shift that Wilder demands, answers on a postcard please.

The question was - " Are you happy with Sharp and Done" up front?