Good Goalkeeper-Managers?

[William Henry Foulkes]

Can't think of any decent goalkeeper-managers - till now .

Have there been any good/successful ones?

 

[mosbolad]

Sorry Fatty couldn't resist.........

http://bfy.tw/IKP

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Can't think of any decent goalkeeper-managers - till now .

Have there been any good/successful ones?

Been bad / unsuccessful ones - Kevin Blackwell

UTB

 

[Ben_1982]

Nigel Adkins
Dino Zoff

 

[BushBlade]

Mike Walker at Norwich.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Chris "Fathead" Turner ha ha ha ha

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Sorry Fatty couldn't resist.........

http://bfy.tw/IKP

I had Googled it, and it turned up Zoff and not much else - which I didn't think much of tbh.

Google does occasionally have its limitations and I wondered if this was one of those occasions.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

Wasn't Teddy Davison, our manager in 52/53 title winning season, a goalkeeper??

 

[Sirius]

Wasn't Teddy Davison, our manager in 52/53 title winning season, a goalkeeper??

Teddy was a keeper but the manager who got us promoted was Reg Freeman who we pinched from Toy Town

 

[Silent Blade]

Teddy was a keeper but the manager who got us promoted was Reg Freeman who we pinched from Toy Town

Yes that is right but Teddy did get us promotion in 1939. We got relegation twice under him in 1934 and 1949. At 5 foot 7 inches, he is the shortest keeper to represent England

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

The last manager to get us to a major cup final as well then! Did Teddy Davison have a porcular background?

 

[SherburnBlade]

The last manager to get us to a major cup final as well then! Did Teddy Davison have a porcular background?

Sépia, judging from the look of that photo.

 

[SherburnBlade]

Was his wife called Wendy?

 

[Silent Blade]

The last manager to get us to a major cup final as well then! Did Teddy Davison have a porcular background?

Sheffield Derby 1914. He collects the ball

 

[bladesmanluke]

Wasn't Warnock a keeper?

 

[Wards]

Winger

 

[Punk Blade]

Winger

I think you mean whinger

 

[Revolution]

there was one goalkeeper who became an excellent assistant manager - Peter Taylor

 

[ScoobBlade]

Blackwell made a pretty good assistant, it was when he stepped up to being a manager he struggled

 

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

Sheffield Derby 1914. He collects the ball

I notice in the picture, their ground is referred to by its correct name.

I still call it that.... it's hard wired courtesy of my Dad refusing to call it "Hillsborough"

 

[Deleted member 1486]

The answer. Close thread.

edit (so you don't have to click, lazy fecker!).

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"Why are goalkeepers so rarely effective managers? Which ex-keeper has the best management record ever?"

It's partly a numbers game. With ten outfield players to every keeper, there's a far smaller pool of potential candidates. It's also worth bearing in mind that keepers tend to have longer playing careers. In England alone, John Burridge, Steve Ogrizovic, Neville Southall and Dave Beasant have all made top-flight appearances after the age of 40.

The most successful keeper-manager ever is surely the late Raymond Goethals. Born in Brussels in 1921, Goethals enjoyed a modest playing career between the sticks for minor Belgian clubs Daring and Racing de Bruxelles. However, as Xavier Lizin points out, there is nothing modest about his coaching CV. In 1993, Goethals guided Marseilles to victory in the Champions League final against a Milan side that included Marco van Basten, Franco Baresi and Frank Rijkaard.

It was the crowning moment of Goethal's managerial career. As coach of Belgium, he had led his country to the 1970 World Cup n Mexico, the first time they had qualified for 16 years, and also to a third-place finish in the 1972 European Championships. He reached two consecutive European Cup Winners' Cup finals with Anderlecht, winning the trophy in 1978, and also tasted domestic league and cup success with Standard Liege. His career as Marseilles manager, meanwhile, included three successive league titles and, two years before the historic win over Milan, a European Cup final defeat to Red Star Belgrade.

A respectful nod also goes to former United States manager Bruce Arena. While Arena's greatest claim to fame as a player is a solitary appearance in the US goal for a 2-0 loss to Israel in 1973, his accomplishments as a coach are considerable. His DC United side not only won the first two MLS championships and the 1998 CONCACAF Champions Cup but beat Brazilian side Vasco da Gama over two legs to win the Interamerican Cup. In 2002 Arena also led America to the last eight of the World Cup while, in April 2006, the US achieved a best-ever Fifa world ranking of fourth.

Dino Zoff is worth a mention too. After captaining Italy to the 1982 World Cup, aged 40, Zoff turned to management, leading Juventus to the Uefa Cup and taking Italy to within a whisker of victory at Euro 2000, only for France to overturn a 1-0 deficit with seconds remaining, a result that prompted his resignation a few days later. Still, not bad for a goalie.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

The answer.

An answer. Again, I'd read that - but was unconvinced.

If it was simply numbers then that implies roughly 1 in 11 managers would be keepers. They're not.

Age? Just bc the writer can find a handful of keepers who played past 40 that means keepers start too late to make good managers.

Goethals is one good find.

Bruce Arena? Credit to him for what he achieved, but what it really demonstrates is the apparent need to cast your net very wide; worldwide in fact if you're looking for good goalkeeper-managers.

And then there's Zoff.

But that's a very short list.

I wondered if someone might have knowledge of good keepers on a more provincial scale. As it stands it seems good goalkeeper-managers are extremely rare.

 

[bornablade]

I notice in the picture, their ground is referred to by its correct name.

I still call it that.... it's hard wired courtesy of my Dad refusing to call it "Hillsborough"

My dad still refers to it as Owlerton. Pretty sure it's common knowledge but never seen it confirmed - the name change came about with the World Cup in 1966. Not sure why Hillsborough should be used instead of Owlerton.

Anyway bet they wish they could change the name again.

 

[Silent Blade]

My dad still refers to it as Owlerton. Pretty sure it's common knowledge but never seen it confirmed - the name change came about with the World Cup in 1966. Not sure why Hillsborough should be used instead of Owlerton.

Anyway bet they wish they could change the name again.

Changed the name in 1914 even though my Wendy supporting Uncle Pete (1927-2009) always called it Owlerton

 

[finlaytheblade]

I had Googled it, and it turned up Zoff and not much else - which I didn't think much of tbh.

Google does occasionally have its limitations and I wondered if this was one of those occasions.

hopefully we will soon be able to add N Atkins to that short list mr Foulkes

 

[Pinchy]

One thing's for sure. You can count the number of good former Semi-professional, Non-league reserve team, goalkeeper managers on the fingers of no hands.

 

[BushBlade]

An answer. Again, I'd read that - but was unconvinced.

If it was simply numbers then that implies roughly 1 in 11 managers would be keepers. They're not.

Age? Just bc the writer can find a handful of keepers who played past 40 that means keepers start too late to make good managers.

Goethals is one good find.

Bruce Arena? Credit to him for what he achieved, but what it really demonstrates is the apparent need to cast your net very wide; worldwide in fact if you're looking for good goalkeeper-managers.

And then there's Zoff.

But that's a very short list.

I wondered if someone might have knowledge of good keepers on a more provincial scale. As it stands it seems good goalkeeper-managers are extremely rare.

That's the answer; there are very few and no-one really knows why.

Adkins is even rarer; an ex-keeper qualified in physiotherapy. I'd suggest he's more or less a one-off.
But as a famous ex-shoe salesman once said 'I didn't realise that before I could become a jockey, I had to be a horse'

 

[Gavlar]

Phil Jagielka will make a brilliant Keeper manager one day.........

 

[SRBlade]

Kevin Blackwell