GoalWatch - our defending vs Forest

[Bergen Blade]

1-0: A clever corner move by Forest. Anderson flicks it on at the first post and Earnshaw taps it in.

Wilson, marked by Bartley is at the first post, but makes a move away from the ball. In doing so he blocks Henderson, who therefore loses track of Anderson. Monty is in front of Bunn, and probably told to mark Earnshaw. The movement at the first post sees him pulled towards the situation though, and Earnshaw is completely unmarked as he knocks it in.

The move is very well executed by Forest. It is a bit ironic that they use a small player as the target, but he makes use of his quick feet as he gets away from Henderson and may well be a technically good header of the ball. It is very difficult for Henderson, but I think Monty shouldn't lose his man like that.

 

[super_pig]

ooh you can't criticise monty. he runs around a lot (apparently)

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

To be fair, it was a well-worked goal. You could argue that Monty should have stayed on Earnshaw but then the lad that escapes Henderson has a free header. I think most of the time coaches tell players to attack the ball so I can understand why Monty was attracted towards it. The bigger issue for me was the complete lack of a reaction to that goal.

As ever Bergen, a great post.

 

[sitwell]

I would just like to make the point that it should have been a goal kick ,no question. Another crap decision by that joke of a referee.

 

[raul]

Bergs, can we have a "table of shame" listing all the culprits over the seasons Goalwatches and the number of times they've erred?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Bergs, can we have a "table of shame" listing all the culprits over the seasons Goalwatches and the number of times they've erred?

Yes, I'll do that when I have the time, as well as maybe categorise the goals.

 

[TopBoy]

Wombwell,

It was a well worked goal but only seconds before a similar corner from the other side caused exactly the same panic in our defence. I guess that's where a consistent back line reaps dividends with everybody knowing their job at set pieces.

TB.

 

[Foxy]

Bergs, can we have a "table of shame" listing all the culprits over the seasons Goalwatches and the number of times they've erred?

To be fair though, and this isn't a critisism of Bergen, there is often a lot more at fault than the final phase which is analysed. We might find some of the table toppers are actually less at fault than others who have escaped the analysis and dumped them in trouble

 

[Bergen Blade]

To be fair though, and this isn't a critisism of Bergen, there is often a lot more at fault than the final phase which is analysed. We might find some of the table toppers are actually less at fault than others who have escaped the analysis and dumped them in trouble

It's sometimes annoying not being able to see what happens before, and obviously I can't put a goal into context, for example if it comes about after we waste possession in our own half several times I probably won't acknowledge it. However I feel the highlights have improved a bit this season and cover more of the build up to the goals. Did you have a specific situation in mind Foxy?

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Wombwell,

It was a well worked goal but only seconds before a similar corner from the other side caused exactly the same panic in our defence. I guess that's where a consistent back line reaps dividends with everybody knowing their job at set pieces.

TB.

Wasn't aware of that, only going off what I've seen on TV as I didn't make the trip. My first instinct was it was well worked to pull us out of shape but if they'd already pulled it on us once already ...

 

[raul]

It's sometimes annoying not being able to see what happens before, and obviously I can't put a goal into context, for example if it comes about after we waste possession in our own half several times I probably won't acknowledge it. However I feel the highlights have improved a bit this season and cover more of the build up to the goals. Did you have a specific situation in mind Foxy?

I suspect he may be thinking of a specific person rather than situation

Bring on the independant and impartial analysis !:thumbup:

 

[Foxy]

I suspect he may be thinking of a specific person rather than situation

Bring on the independant and impartial analysis !:thumbup:

Aye, it was of course just a ploy to defend one player

Either that, or I may just be making the point that there is more to a football match and even a goal than a few seconds of highlights. Should we just focus on the last part and the ball going past Mr Bunn and put him at the top of the league?

There are a number of occasions I can think of where the highlights have missed a player giving the ball away in a dangerous situation, someone losing their man or something along those lines.

A couple with Harper (early doors after just joining) deciding to not bother following his man, thus dragging defenders and other midfielders out of position spring to mind.

 

[raul]

Stop trying to influence the independent and impartial arbiter Foxy....

 

[Revolution]

Aye, it was of course just a ploy to defend one player

Either that, or I may just be making the point that there is more to a football match and even a goal than a few seconds of highlights.

Nice try, but it's an obvious pre-emptive strike to defend one player.

I look forward to your explanations as to why the 3 penalties were someone else's fault...

 

[Grecian2000]

The easiest thing is to never mention said player in these threads. Bergs only ever gets taken to task if he mentions the unmentionable in relation to being involved in a goal costing situation.

Where this mystery man is in the vicinity just chalk it up to Killgallon or Walker and we can just move on.

 

[judge]

we could call it the ****-o -meter

 

[Bergen Blade]

Either that, or I may just be making the point that there is more to a football match and even a goal than a few seconds of highlights. Should we just focus on the last part and the ball going past Mr Bunn and put him at the top of the league?

There are a number of occasions I can think of where the highlights have missed a player giving the ball away in a dangerous situation, someone losing their man or something along those lines.

A couple with Harper (early doors after just joining) deciding to not bother following his man, thus dragging defenders and other midfielders out of position spring to mind.

There's definitely more to a football match than the highlights shows. The GW focuses on the goals conceded and only that.

Sometimes it's ONLY coincidental that one situation ends in a missed chance that may not even be shown in the highlights, and another that ends in a goal against. However, over time they may give some indications on where we should be looking to improve.

Regarding highlights missing things out, yes that may happen and I'm always happy for people to fill me in. Most often though I think they've shown enough to decide if it was a situation we could have dealt with better. And Harper's lack of back tracking has definitely been spotted.

 

[Guesty]

Aye, it was of course just a ploy to defend one player

Either that, or I may just be making the point that there is more to a football match and even a goal than a few seconds of highlights.

Nice try, but it's an obvious pre-emptive strike to defend one player.

I look forward to your explanations as to why the 3 penalties were someone else's fault...

The one against Brom was nobody's fault but the Ref's...

 

[Foxy]

Quite clearly just an attempt to "defend" a certain player you've all decided upon, despite not actually defending anyone whatsoever.

In fact, we'll just stick to the highlights and Keith Edwards in future, forget about those pesky individuals talking about anything else they've actually seen at a match, they obviously have an agenda

Regarding highlights missing things out, yes that may happen and I'm always happy for people to fill me in. Most often though I think they've shown enough to decide if it was a situation we could have dealt with better.

With all due respect, from only seeing the highlights, how is it possible to decide if they've shown enough in most cases?

Why do managers/coaches bother with the full game on DVD?

I'm not rubbishing the idea and your continued posts on the matter by any stretch of the imagination, I enjoy them. I'm merely making an observation that in many cases, there is much, much more to consider.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Regarding highlights missing things out, yes that may happen and I'm always happy for people to fill me in.

ooooh matron...

 

[Bergen Blade]

In fact, we'll just stick to the highlights and Keith Edwards in future, forget about those pesky individuals talking about anything else they've actually seen at a match, they obviously have an agenda

I'm sure there's nobody who thinks that.

With all due respect, from only seeing the highlights, how is it possible to decide if they've shown enough in most cases?

Set piece goals: Penalties excepted, I only focus on what happens following the taking of the set piece. Who cleared it for a corner or throw in, who committed the foul etc may still be something the management could and should have a look at, but it's not for the GoalWatch analyses.

During any game we have to accept the opposition is going to get a few corners, a few throw ins and a few free kicks that they can swing into the box. Our defence still has the chance of dealing with it, and often a video analysis gives you a better chance of seeing what happens.

Open play goals when we have men behind the ball: We lose possession countless times during a game, it is unavoidable, though we must avoid giving the ball away in dangerous situations, especially in our own half. If the start of the highlights shows that we have enough players behind the ball, it is per definition a situation we should aim to be dealing with. Providing they don't zoom in too much, the highlights should show where we slip up.

Breaks/Counter attack goals: If the highlights include us losing possession and the situation at the time I'm happy. These are the goals that are hardest to defend against, and where sometimes players can be excused as we may lack numbers, lack covering behind the first defender, a full back who'd made an attacking run may not have the time to get back, they're forced to defend facing their own goal, etc.

Why do managers/coaches bother with the full game on DVD?

If you're of the impression that I think they shouldn't you couldn't be more wrong. Studying the goals conceded should only be a small part of the post match video analyses that the United staff do after any game.

One way of doing this is by categorising every player's involvement either as a plus, a neutral, or a minus. As I also said above it is often ONLY coincidental that one situation ends in a missed chance and one ends in a goal conceded, and of course the management should anaylyse them all.