Give the man a chance

[Grizzly blade]

It's same old United for me......and no that doesn't mean selling all your best players!

To me, it now means....
1. Fans in the stands split, arguing and bickering, fighting with each other and jeering and booing their own players.
2. No creativity, no willingness to take a game by the bollocks and push themselves to make the run, make the risky pass.
3. Unable to keep the ball for more than 5 passes in the attacking third
4. Lumping the ball forward, because fans can't wait to see the ball get forward. We must get the ball in the box regardless!
5. Losing millions of pounds and spending more than our rivals...laughing stock
6. Any player who arrives quickly catches the United bug, and loses all ability they had to pass the ball, control it and shoot.

If Wilder thinks we need to just launch the ball forwards, get it up there and then get bodies in and around the ball then he's the wrong manager for this club. That style of football is dead. There are enough teams in L1 capable of passing the ball, keeping the ball and passing their way around players headlessly chasing around after the ball.
we need a manager to encourage keeping it, getting the ball into feet quickly, switching play and making the most of space. But we need players with the brains to make runs and the vision to find those runs.

Since Clarke arrived we seem to have seen a change in tac to lump ball. As far as I am concerned, that is bollocks.

 

[Wards]

 

[SwissBlade]

Genuinely.. why just the players? As crap as their efforts have been they look to be trying to play something none of them are suited for. Leon Clarke will never be a target man all day yet we seem to persist lumping it up to him then wonder why the ball is coming back to us.

Because shouldn't they take responsibility too? I'm sure the system that Wilder wants them to play isn't that of 'play shit and do calamitous things'

 

[S5Blade]

Why do fans bicker and argue with each other? Whats the fucking point? Its a game of football, any fans of the same team fighting with each other on the stands or even arguing need to give their head a wobble or maybe cut down on the shandys before a game if they cant control themselves. Utter morons.

 

[zablade]

Unfortunately sitwell you are not seeing what we are. As LS26BLADE said people who have sat together for years and shared banter were screaming at each other in the stands, others walked out, very little booing just one ripple at the end of each half as the realisation set in we are a toxic club for whatever reason and it's hurting.

Can't say I've heard anyone have a a go at wilder so it's a bit out of order posting a rebuke for something the fans have not done! As for Wilder he does appear clueless on the sideline. He made a big thing about keeping Long and played hardball with his contract, problem is his initial decision to make Long No1 is open to inspection. Similarly his apparent faith in Scoogle when we see him being pushed out of the way on or off the ball.

As for negotiations to apparently employ every pig veteran it questions if his hard stance on contracts and wages are realistic or is he out of touch with how far the money tree has infected the lower divisions? One thing is for sure those he has brought in (maybe Clarke apart) his vision of building a fast attacking side is in tatters. He's replaced dross lookin for a payday with unknown dross.

In summary McCabe has acted to resolve the problems he created with appointments and funding by employing a Warnockesk charecter who unfortunately appears to be running the team part of the club like a passionate fan. He's blaming everything including the officials who were not at fault more than any others, but credit where it's due he has taken responsibility for players he's brought in not performing. As for his decision to make Billy Captain it appears to have backfired big time by negating him as an attacking force. Last night he was back in the trenches defending deep on several occasions when he should have been upfront.

So please with all due respect to a seasoned well respected poster when we are all hurting don't tell us to "man up for pity's sake" it doesn't change anything especially when we managed 1 shot on target in two home defeats. We used to call it fortress BDTBL and wouldn't expect to lose more than 2 all season not our first 2 to village teams.

As always sitters

This ^^

The game was over at two nil let alone three nil, I left with 15 minutes to go as it was clear we were not going to pull even one goal back, I've only ever left a game earlier once before and that was donkeys year ago against Oldham under Mckwean,

I can't see us getting another point until we play Wimbledon and that's not guaranteed either.

We look absolutely clueless.

 

[JohnDenver]

Echoes of last season in that Wilder is discovering his players cannot play 442. I expect an extra body in midfield in the next game and an emphasis on not conceding.

We're back to 5 in the middle because it's the only way to mask our deficiencies. Plus ca change....

 

[Revolution]

Echoes of last season in that Wilder is discovering his players cannot play 442. I expect an extra body in midfield in the next game and an emphasis on not conceding.

We're back to 5 in the middle because it's the only way to mask our deficiencies. Plus ca change....

And he should be ashamed of himself for just "discovering" this because a professional football manager should have watched enough footage of the likes of Basham to know that it was not going to work.

As I said in another thread, we all knew this. Even the few who rate Basham know this. Wilder should have known this. It is common knowledge.

 

[grafikhaus]

He is a Blade so he cares I am sure about that. The worry is that most are his signings.

Mickey Adams was a 'lifelong Blade' also. Could this be a 'job too far' for Wilder as well?

His signings? Mostly lamentable. Clarke is neither use nor ornament and Chapman is a joke. I'm not going to go through the entire team as none of them escape criticism.

His 'tactics'? Worrying. Nobody who watched the latest surrender last night will recognise any pattern, fitness or enthusiasm. Even a simple throw-in turns into a mini-drama as, despite their best impressions, the players' body language screams 'please don't throw it to me!'. Why? It isn't because they are frightened by the crowd reaction if/when they miscontrol it or put a pass astray. The crowd were fabulous last night. Quiet, yes but we've been numbed into submission. Embarassing cave-ins to supposedly inferior teams are now the norm and Wilder can be grateful that the reaction from the crowd wasn't a lot worse.

His team are incapable of showing skill, enthusiasm or balls. They can't cross consistently, they rarely attack and go down without a fight. 0-3 down at home to fucking Southend, so does he bring McNulty on as sub? Nah, let's try Scougall who got a big fat zero in the goal-scoring stakes last season.

I understand that emotions wil be running high after last night and there will be calls to 'give Wilder time' and 'we can't keep sacking managers', but how low must we sink? Last year - even under the egregious Adkins - we had nine points after 4 games. Anybody willing to bet that, after game 4 at Millwall this Saturday, we'll have any more than our current one? Even Weir managed five points in his ten games as our manager - where are another four points going to come from by game 10?

And of course, the grief was compounded when it was discovered that Chesterfield had gone top with two goals from - again - Ched Evans. It was bad enough losing him once in 2012, now we've lost him twice, thanks to the board's spineless cave-in to three z-list 'celebrities'. But then, after they gave in to a drunken Sean Bean which precipitated the downfall of our best (only?) manager in recent years, it was to be expected.

 

[HoodedClaw]

And he should be ashamed of himself for just "discovering" this because a professional football manager should have watched enough footage of the likes of Basham to know that it was not going to work.

As I said in another thread, we all knew this. Even the few who rate Basham know this. Wilder should have known this. It is common knowledge.

Can't like this enough Rev.

Put on another thread, 4 matches in and I'm still not convinced he's aware we don't have the players for 442.

Losing faith with CW big time, problem is I can only see sacking him making things worse.

Happy times

 

[GrayBlade]

I'm all for giving Wilder a chance, but how many more chances does McCabe need?

 

[Caseh]

I don't want Wilder sacking, but his decisions already are dumbfounding. There is nothing positive to take from the games so far. We have had the same 11 for 4 games running, the players look like they know each other less and less. I mean, what on earth do they do in training?

And this isn't down to needing new players. We are using the wrong players in the wrong system, and they all look like strangers. There isn't even a real leader out there. Sharp will give his all, but he is absolutely not a leader.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

However, Wilder has a good record at other clubs

Not unlike Adkins then, except Adkins had good records with Clubs at this and higher levels, and that didn't turn out so well.

Stick with Wilder (unless is becomes Weir-esque untenable). I agree with sitwell that it is early days, and this baptism of fire might actually make us stronger, but by crikey it has hurt to watch the last two matches.

 

[Blade56]

"The man" you speak of in the title is Warnock. Tin hat on but at this moment in time I cannot for the life of me see any other way out.

Maybe if the worst happens (and I hope it doesn't this is not a Wilder out post) McCabe will not let his pride get in the way of sufc.

 

[mattbianco1]

His reaction, to blame two 'offside goals' that weren't actually offside, was quite embarrassing.

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

 

[BushBlade]

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

But he's just contradicting himself. If there are no excuses there's no 'but'.

 

[Caseh]

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

Just by mentioning offside he is attempting to deflect some of the criticism. We lost 3-0 because we are garbage. Absolutely no other reason what so ever. The linesman and ref were all terrible, but we cannot criticise until we have our own shit together.

 

[Smirth]

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

He said he wasn't going to use it as an excuse, and then proceeded to use it as an excuse.

In real time they didn't look offside to me, if they were then fair enough but the way we were defending we were only going to concede more. We were lucky that Southend sat back at 3-0 or it could have got a lot worse.

 

[mattbianco1]

But he's just contradicting himself. If there are no excuses there's no 'but'.

There are no excuses for the defensive errors. BUT, you should be able to rely on the laws of the game and the officials to get their decisions right.
I'm sure he has had words with the back 5 and named names in there but you need officials to get these right. If we're struggling come November/December, if that game is played, it could cost Wilder his job. If the officials get those two right, its still only 1-0, even our fuck up of a team has a chance of turning that around.

He's right in what he said.

 

[Caseh]

Basically, we were lucky Ranger went off injured. It could and most likely would have been worse if he played 90 minutes.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Last night was chuffing grim, but of course we give the man a chance - he's only 3 games in, to be grumbling now would be a record - even for us! But it really does need to improve.

 

[Blade56]

Never mind 0-3 thank our stars Ranger went off injured cause the new score board dunt take double figures

 

[him behind you]

A Rovrum fan called football heaven last week and said of Warnock "he finds a formation to suit the players he has and not play players in a formation that does not suit them" Basically what we need to do ourselves. Hardly rocket science

Did CW not say something along the lines of we won't play a formation to suit the players, but will get players to suit our formation? So far, that looks like bollocks.

 

[him behind you]

Genuinely.. why just the players? As crap as their efforts have been they look to be trying to play something none of them are suited for. Leon Clarke will never be a target man all day yet we seem to persist lumping it up to him then wonder why the ball is coming back to us.

Spot on Rodders. Clarke is, as I keep saying, not a target man and is better with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately our manager, coaches and players don't appear to agree.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

And fucking man up. 3 games for pity's sake.

Ok i will,but will you hold my hand and comfort me when the bow slips beneath the surface on its journey to the depths below.

 

[PeteBlade]

Main alarm bell for me was the quote along the lines of "these players have no fight, even the ones I've brought in".

Sink or swim and we're 3 bloody games in!

 

[him behind you]

And he should be ashamed of himself for just "discovering" this because a professional football manager should have watched enough footage of the likes of Basham to know that it was not going to work.

As I said in another thread, we all knew this. Even the few who rate Basham know this. Wilder should have known this. It is common knowledge.

There were several of us (I'm not claiming to be one because I was wrong) who were correctly having a go at Adkins for not sorting out the centre half problem early last season on the same basis i.e. that he should have been able to see the deficiencies and resolve them from watching match recordings and speaking to people. Maybe it's a manager thing that they think they are better than the last one and can get things out of players previous managers couldn't????

 

[TJB.]

How many players did he say he needed in his post-match last neyt? It went from 4 to 6 in a short space of time, so after last night I'd be surprised if he didn't say 10.

Of course we give him a chance and we give him time, but this was an unchanged side for the fourth game in a row, including 30 minutes of extra time against Crewe. Why is he persisting with something which has seemingly only worked for about 20 minutes or so (vs. Bolton) so far?

- Clarke and Sharp don't work. Simple.
- He's either encouraging long balls to Clarke or he's not beating it out of them hard enough
- Gusset (Hussey) is shit
- Scougall is not a winger
- Basham is shit
- Brayford seems to have lost every ounce of attacking instinct he's ever had
- Wilson looks dodgy
- We never play down the middle and it's infuriating. We get into decent central positions and instead of driving forward, we look to go out wide, even if it means going backwards to fucking do so!
- Duffy looks iffy and slow
- Done, for the 2765478836th time, is not a winger
- Long is shit

I could go on. There's always questions to be asked if you have a bad start, but should we have this many questions at such an early stage when the management have had a full pre-season under their belts?

Edit:
- We can't cross a fucking ball to save our lives even after signing someone who meant to have that in his locker (Gusset)

 

[chipsncake]

Unfortunately sitwell you are not seeing what we are. As LS26BLADE said people who have sat together for years and shared banter were screaming at each other in the stands, others walked out, very little booing just one ripple at the end of each half as the realisation set in we are a toxic club for whatever reason and it's hurting.

Can't say I've heard anyone have a a go at wilder so it's a bit out of order posting a rebuke for something the fans have not done! As for Wilder he does appear clueless on the sideline. He made a big thing about keeping Long and played hardball with his contract, problem is his initial decision to make Long No1 is open to inspection. Similarly his apparent faith in Scoogle when we see him being pushed out of the way on or off the ball.

As for negotiations to apparently employ every pig veteran it questions if his hard stance on contracts and wages are realistic or is he out of touch with how far the money tree has infected the lower divisions? One thing is for sure those he has brought in (maybe Clarke apart) his vision of building a fast attacking side is in tatters. He's replaced dross lookin for a payday with unknown dross.

In summary McCabe has acted to resolve the problems he created with appointments and funding by employing a Warnockesk charecter who unfortunately appears to be running the team part of the club like a passionate fan. He's blaming everything including the officials who were not at fault more than any others, but credit where it's due he has taken responsibility for players he's brought in not performing. As for his decision to make Billy Captain it appears to have backfired big time by negating him as an attacking force. Last night he was back in the trenches defending deep on several occasions when he should have been upfront.

So please with all due respect to a seasoned well respected poster when we are all hurting don't tell us to "man up for pity's sake" it doesn't change anything especially when we managed 1 shot on target in two home defeats. We used to call it fortress BDTBL and wouldn't expect to lose more than 2 all season not our first 2 to village teams.

As always sitters

Absolutely brilliant post, sums up my thoughts exactly.

 

[alcoblade]

But he's just contradicting himself. If there are no excuses there's no 'but'.

True, but if you heard the gist of it it was not an excuse laden interview by any measure.

I'd love it if the penny ever dropped that picking the fuck out of 2 minute sound bite interviews is ever so slightly pointless.

As it is, it's getting worse.

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

Only one was offside.