Get Wilder gone and stop the delusion.

[peakblade]

Without exception the biggest set of moaning "supporters " in europe.

 

[JT89]

I think one thing people are being mistaken on here is what Wilder is good at.

Next season, we won't have top dollar to spend. This is the arena he comes into his own.

Next season is a Wilder type of season unfortunately, without someone with grit and pashion we could come seriously unstuck and we cannot afford to do that if the pigs manage to get taken over by someone with a bit of cash behind them.

Grit and passion? This is a guy who runs off down the tunnel so he doesn’t have to face the fans after a poor result and has overseen us throwing away a ridiculous amount of points from winning positions this season.

I’d be happy to give up that type of grit and passion and go with someone with abit of tactical knowledge instead…

 

[JT89]

Without exception the biggest set of moaning "supporters " in europe.

Here come the Wilder happy clappers

 

[Upton_Blade]

I’d be happy to see him go if I had confidence that the board would choose a decent replacement

That was my exact stance last summer.

Unfortunately I don't trust the board to make the right choice and without upgrading all the other functions within the club to a more modern structure I reckon whoever came in would struggle.

This is the result of having one man having virtual total control for the best part of a decade.

 

[Loco Blade]

The one thing COH do understand is dollars or more importantly the lack of them . Dwindling revenues compounded by probably a less than impressive uptake in season tickets should jolt them into action. Let’s be honest these capitulations are not a great incentive to renew are they

 

[gordoncharles]

There is practically no possibility of Wilder being waved goodbye this summer, so I imagine we're set for the kind of mediocrity we're currently seeing.

There have been times this season when our games have been entertaining, even in defeat, which I more than prepared to accept, but this is tempered by the infuriating inconsistency, seeming inability for anyone to be able to last 90 minutes, and a defence which collapses like a cooling souffle as soon as it's put under pressure.

Maybe Wilder will be able to find a few more low-cost, no-cost gems and polish them up but I hold out no real hope for that.

We can't move forward without a better structure and a younger, fresher manager but we're stuck in a Back To The Future loop and, just like the film franchise, it gets weaker with each iteration.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Don't you think that Bettis in fact a defacto DOF?

Where does this idea even come from?

 

[SheepdipBlade]

I think there's a wider point. If you look at the managers that have got a tune out of us in the modern era, you're pretty talking about Wilder, Warnock and Basset - all managers cut from the same cloth.
We've tried international managers, ex England captains, famous players - and all that sophistication has got us pretty much nowhere.
Why? What is it about the culture of SUFC from the board room right down to the Shoreham End that means only muck and bullets managers succeed here?
Until we answer that there's no point replacing Wilder unless you have your eye on Sean Dyche or Fat Sam.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I think there's a wider point. If you look at the managers that have got a tune out of us in the modern era, you're pretty talking about Wilder, Warnock and Basset - all managers cut from the same cloth.
We've tried international managers, ex England captains, famous players - and all that sophistication has got us pretty much nowhere.
Why? What is it about the culture of SUFC from the board room right down to the Shoreham End that means only muck and bullets managers succeed here?
Until we answer that there's no point replacing Wilder unless you have your eye on Sean Dyche or Fat Sam.

It's a coincidence, nothing more.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

It's a coincidence, nothing more.

Its a bit of a coincidence when it goes back decades. Pattern might be a better description.

 

[Blade56]

Good Friday? More like bang average feckin Friday from a manager and team that are treating this club in a half @rsed manner. Pashun, gone, effort, gone, tactical nouse gone.

Pigs been setting records but we must be close with 30pts thrown away from winning positions. Shirley we would have been near promotion if Wilder and the team could figure out how not to bottle it week in week out.

Time for a feckin shake down of the whole set up owners included.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Where does this idea even come from?

It still amazes me how many people on here parrot the line that Bettis doesn't want a DOF as his job would be at risk.

FFS the DOF would report into Bettis so Bettis would be his boss.

It just might take the workload off some people and make us not too reliant on one man in the medium to long term.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

It's a coincidence, nothing more.

Just looked it up. Since 1988 we've had six promotions - and 22 managers (plus short term managers). In all that time and with all those managers only Bassett, Warnock and Wilder have got us promoted - and Bassett and Wilder did it repeatedly. 19 other managers did nowt.
That's not coincidence.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Without exception the biggest set of moaning "supporters " in europe.

Welcome back Chris

 

[Upton_Blade]

Just looked it up. Since 1988 we've had six promotions - and 22 managers (plus short term managers). In all that time and with all those managers only Bassett, Warnock and Wilder have got us promoted - and Bassett and Wilder did it repeatedly. 19 other managers did nowt.
That's not coincidence.

Were you asleep during the season Hecky got us promoted?

 

[CornwallBlade]

I think there's a wider point. If you look at the managers that have got a tune out of us in the modern era, you're pretty talking about Wilder, Warnock and Basset - all managers cut from the same cloth.
We've tried international managers, ex England captains, famous players - and all that sophistication has got us pretty much nowhere.
Why? What is it about the culture of SUFC from the board room right down to the Shoreham End that means only muck and bullets managers succeed here?
Until we answer that there's no point replacing Wilder unless you have your eye on Sean Dyche or Fat Sam.

Very fair point. I’ve no problem with an up and at em manager to get us promoted but 3 things have been missing. 1) Tactical nouse as well. 2) Ability to keep the tempo up and be aggressive for 90 mins and 3) Sacking them when we get to the PL - its a different world and one usually beyond Championship managers (with some exceptions I grant you, but most fail.)

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Were you asleep during the season Hecky got us promoted?

Good point.

But you have to say even Hecky was more Wilder that Jokanovic.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Good point.

But you have to say even Hecky was more Wilder that Jokanovic.

He was indeed.

The fact is we succeed with the types of managers we do as we simply don't have the structure off the pitch to support a "Head Coach" rather than an old style "Manager".

Until that aspect of the club is sorted we'll continue to be absolutely bang average barring a few years where we over achieve.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think the one factor shows that we need a complete change of direction more than anything else is the state of the squad. Take the academy lads out of it and just look at what’s left. After 7 years of PL money and parachute payments. Disgraceful.

A part of that is down to last summer, but only a relatively small part. Our recruitment over a lot of years now can’t be excused and we have signed a litany of wretched shite with very few that we have been able to make our money back on, let alone make a profit. And a hell of a lot of that is on Wilder.

 

[ZLB]

Good Friday? More like bang average feckin Friday from a manager and team that are treating this club in a half @rsed manner. Pashun, gone, effort, gone, tactical nouse gone.

Pigs been setting records but we must be close with 30pts thrown away from winning positions. Shirley we would have been near promotion if Wilder and the team could figure out how not to bottle it week in week out.

Time for a feckin shake down of the whole set up owners included.

That’s as may be but don’t call me Shirley.

 

[Super Furry Blades]

Just looked it up. Since 1988 we've had six promotions - and 22 managers (plus short term managers). In all that time and with all those managers only Bassett, Warnock and Wilder have got us promoted - and Bassett and Wilder did it repeatedly. 19 other managers did nowt.
That's .

 

[Salmon Pastures]

I think folk need to remember where this club was in 2016.

I think folk need to remember where the USA was in 2016.

 

[Keen Blade]

It still amazes me how many people on here parrot the line that Bettis doesn't want a DOF as his job would be at risk.

FFS the DOF would report into Bettis so Bettis would be his boss.

It just might take the workload off some people and make us not too reliant on one man in the medium to long term.

Betti's said - in terms - in radio interview - that the club would not have a DoF.
Why ?
Is that him talking or the owners ?
A Director is a Director , just like him.
Equal status.
Why should a DoF report to Bettis and not the Board ?
Have I missed something about the title 'Director' ?
If so , please enlighten me.

My own take from what Bettis said is that the club would continue with one single Board member in UK (himself) and an old-style Manager (his mate Wilder).
Ie: whether it needs it or not , me & Chris are here to stay.
No change of structure.
Even if the daft owners appoint a head coach , he won't last long without a DoF who's got more football experience than me , so Chris & me have jobs for life.

 

[LBA_Blade]

He was indeed.

The fact is we succeed with the types of managers we do as we simply don't have the structure off the pitch to support a "Head Coach" rather than an old style "Manager".

Until that aspect of the club is sorted we'll continue to be absolutely bang average barring a few years where we over achieve.

Agreed I think another factor on that is cost, not saying this is the money paid out but makes it easier to explain. If you had £100 for your management, you could spend the full £100 and get a DoF for £70 and a fresh thinking head coach for £30. Or you could get an “old school manager” for £75 saving you £25, which is the option we are stuck with.

Although I appreciate this is another elite level when you look at Chelsea they have a Director of performance who looks after the fitness requirements for the club that they have from academy through to first team, including sprinting coaches, sports science and data analytics etc along with a host of others. Unless we stuck Wilder up into DoF post and promoted one of the current assistant coaches into the head coach role, it wouldn’t be possible without investment.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Betti's said - in terms - in radio interview - that the club would not have a DoF.
Why ?
Is that him talking or the owners ?
A Director is a Director , just like him.
Equal status.
Why should a DoF report to Bettis and not the Board ?
Have I missed something about the title 'Director' ?
If so , please enlighten me.

My own take from what Bettis said is that the club would continue with one single Board member in UK (himself) and an old-style Manager (his mate Wilder).
Ie: whether it needs it or not , me & Chris are here to stay.
No change of structure.
Even if the daft owners appoint a head coach , he won't last long without a DoF who's got more football experience than me , so Chris & me have jobs for life.

Not like you to get something completely wrong but just for clarity I googled who a Director of Football or Sporting Director would report to at a football club.

AI Overview

A Director of Football (or Sporting Director) typically reports directly to
the CEO, owner, chairperson, or the club's board of directors. They serve as the senior executive bridging ownership and technical staff, overseeing the club’s overall footballing strategy, including transfers, the academy, and scouting.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Betti's said - in terms - in radio interview - that the club would not have a DoF.
Why ?
Is that him talking or the owners ?
A Director is a Director , just like him.
Equal status.
Why should a DoF report to Bettis and not the Board ?
Have I missed something about the title 'Director' ?
If so , please enlighten me.

My own take from what Bettis said is that the club would continue with one single Board member in UK (himself) and an old-style Manager (his mate Wilder).
Ie: whether it needs it or not , me & Chris are here to stay.
No change of structure.
Even if the daft owners appoint a head coach , he won't last long without a DoF who's got more football experience than me , so Chris & me have jobs for life.

There are owner directors and employee directors. Bettis is an employee. As for being equal, he not listed as being a PSC on any of the FC, Blades Leisure or COH Sports Bidco.

 

[Seth Rollins]

I think folk need to remember where the USA was in 2016.

Why?? Have they moved America in the last ten years??

 

[Upton_Blade]

Agreed I think another factor on that is cost, not saying this is the money paid out but makes it easier to explain. If you had £100 for your management, you could spend the full £100 and get a DoF for £70 and a fresh thinking head coach for £30. Or you could get an “old school manager” for £75 saving you £25, which is the option we are stuck with.

Although I appreciate this is another elite level when you look at Chelsea they have a Director of performance who looks after the fitness requirements for the club that they have from academy through to first team, including sprinting coaches, sports science and data analytics etc along with a host of others. Unless we stuck Wilder up into DoF post and promoted one of the current assistant coaches into the head coach role, it wouldn’t be possible without investment.

Yep. I'm not saying it wouldn't need investment but I suppose it depends about how serious the owners are about us getting to the PL and establishing us as a permanent fixture there are.

There was a post on a thread a while back about the structure at Sunderland. It's absolutely night and day compared to ours and no real shock they've done pretty well this year.

 

[Seth Rollins]

After today & another shite defensive performance - Get Wilder out NOW.

By all means give him a lifetime pass to any game he wants to attend. But HE picks the team. & He picks Tanganga every game as CAPTAIN. Look at where Millwall are without the useless cunt in defence. They really miss him don't they??

 

[Bladeslad89]

Were you asleep during the season Hecky got us promoted?

With the team Hecky had at his disposal any of us would have got them promoted.