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Thing is Phil, I'm generally on the side of allowing most things the opportunity to have their 15 seconds. I've just listened to a play on Radio 4 about the Bradford fire where 56 died. Very touching and based on transcripts of those who attended, so I'm probably a bit sensitive to talk of death

Just heard it too and I agree it was very moving. The dignity of those people shone through like a beacon.

Having said that, I think you are being overly sensitive IMHO. Ball_Sup (Phil) started this about hate, so people have been posting daft old songs all through this thread. I'm afraid far worse has been posted on S2 not in jest, so you'd be giving Foxy a full time job he doesn't need.

My opinion FWIW, but I'm not the proper thread police....
 

Just heard it too and I agree it was very moving. The dignity of those people shone through like a beacon.

Having said that, I think you are being overly sensitive IMHO. Ball_Sup (Phil) started this about hate, so people have been posting daft old songs all through this thread. I'm afraid far worse has been posted on S2 not in jest, so you'd be giving Foxy a full time job he doesn't need.

My opinion FWIW, but I'm not the proper thread police....

Which is why I adopted an apologetic tone at the end of my post. This doesn't need over-egging. Phil's research is worth supporting, period.
 
I remember Blades fans chanting, "Gorilla, Gorilla, G' rummit" at the Wednesday keeper Peter Grummit, that must have been early 1970's. Not much of a tune.
 
Apologies for deviation from the thread, but I met Jim McCalliog sometime in the early 90s, I think he was manager at Halifax back then. Got talking about his time at Hillsborough and he was quite scathing about some, especially Marshall and Williams (managers I think) and one or two players of the era.
Jack Marshall was Wendy's manager from February 1968 to April 1969. McCalliog was a regular starter during his time. Not sure if McCalliog had already left Wendy before Danny Williams became the manager
 
Whilst I follow your logic, I'm not entiely sure about the accuracy.

A Blade an owl and a DirtyLeeds scummer and you chuck in a Manc? They hate DirtyLeeds just as much as we do, so there might be a trans Pennine alliance to kick the shit out of the dirty cheating scumbag from West Yorks.

Everybody hates DirtyLeeds because of Revie, their dirty players, their disabled stand arsonist seat smashing fans and their smug 'big club' shite.

I think Desmond Morris might need a rethink on that one.
Leeds are certainly hated in the North East as well.
At the 1973 Cup Final the Leeds fans were singing their rather uninspired "Leeds, Leeds are Leeds are Leeds " etc to the tune of the Dam Busters march. At the end of each effort 30,000 Mackems at the other end of Wembley responded with "Who the f**cking hell's Leeds?".
The whole thing was heard live by millions on tv. The BBC's sound engineers tried their best but couldn't stop it, Priceless.
 
No, I just hate reading posts from posters who fail to consider the context that's being discussed.

If that's all I'll return to something interesting.
Before we return to something interesting it’s worrh considering the context being discussed- earliest recollection of anti-Pig songs. How is this anything other?
I didn’t write it myself you know!
 
I understand. My thread has given the opportunity for hate songs to be aired. For what I'll argue are innocent reasons. But, aired nevertheless. I'm not out to upset anyone. I'm working towards a Blog post or Fanzine article along the lines of....

Why all the Hate, where did it come from?

I'll stay off it now. Happy for the Thread to be closed.
Cut and run
 
Before we return to something interesting it’s worrh considering the context being discussed- earliest recollection of anti-Pig songs. How is this anything other?
I didn’t write it myself you know!

I bet you were really competitive as a child.

Advice corner, read my posts relating to this, see what was exchanged between myself and the OP, and that should put your concerns to rest.
 
I understand. My thread has given the opportunity for hate songs to be aired. For what I'll argue are innocent reasons. But, aired nevertheless. I'm not out to upset anyone. I'm working towards a Blog post or Fanzine article along the lines of....

Why all the Hate, where did it come from?

I'll stay off it now. Happy for the Thread to be closed.

I've always hated the Pigs since being very young. My Dad was from Nottingham, married a girl from Heeley and came to the conclusion quickly that the gobshites in the city were of the Blue persuasion. Thanks Dad for realising this and taking me to the Lane.

Growing up in the late fifties/early sixties on a council estate in Sheffield the gobshites extended to the young kids playing on the field. We were Unitedites they were Wendyites. Never knew anyone who went to watch both clubs. When they won boy did the whole estate and local clubs know about it. We were more reserved when winning simply because for most of the year we were told we were the inferior team.

For me the real hatred started in the mid sixties around the time they got to the Cup Final and the early stages of trouble on the terraces. Suddenly every dickhead family on the estate who'd never ever been to a football match declared their allegiance to the blue swine. Imagine being put in detention at your junior school along with another fellow Blade for refusing to paint blue and white banners for the Sheffield Club playing at Wembley. Mike Trebilcock what a legend.

World Cup came along England won it and we were all one together. Feel good factor didn't last long. A year later the Pigs out did themselves deciding they weren't England anymore declaring allegiance to the Scots who beat the World champions at Wembley because McCalliog played and scored for them. The ultimate bandwagon fans.

September 66 went to my first away match at the Sty and experienced a mixture of fascination and terror on their Kop as Blades rained down half of the wood and tin keeping the Kop together and countless old pennies as we sang about 10,000 Wendyites dead on the floor. Think that was the egg game Ronnie Sharp wrote about.

In the return their glory hunters turned out in numbers at the Lane as Ritchie scored the winner. Abiding memory from that game was the defiant red line of Blades fans scarves on the Kop. In Pond Street bus station after the game with Dad the bigger gobshites on the estate came up taking the piss saying "I bet your going to cry now". Old man said they're not crying pointing to about 500 Blades marching and chanting down A platform. Pigs scurrying everywhere. Moment of pride, stayed with me all these years later.

Started at a Comprehensive School where they brought kids from 5 mining pit villages together and a few of us from Sheffield council estates. Found out there are equally as many gobshite fans languishing in pit villages as there are on council estates. Pigs outnumbered us but never got the better of us as one pit village was 80% Blades probably still is, that was Beighton.

By the time the glory days of Currie and Woodward came along their numbers had melted away and many had gone back into the woodwork. We put them in their place in 70-71 and didn't see them for many years until that day in 1979.

Remember chants about Alan Brown and Ritchie and others confirming our hatred of them lot. The real classics though such as Swinging a Pig, Wings of a Sparrow and No Pig Fans in Town were composed later.

Just to conclude other halfs family are mainly pigs who don't go to games. The Blades still attend. Away from football they are reasonable people but morph into deluded fckwits when football comes along. Same could be said of many former work mates apart from two who follow them everywhere. They are sensible enough to know football is a taboo subject when we meet.
 

I remember from about 68 these lyrics to the Kink's Death of A Clown.

Your scoreboard is crap
Your stand's made of tin
We'll crown all you bastards in bottles of gin
10000 Wednesday fans dead on the floor
They won't come on Shoreham st kop anymore.
Think it was drown all you bastards in bottles of gin
 
Walkin down Shoreham Street swinging my chain, I saw this Wednesdayite I asked his name. I kicked him in the bollocks and I kicked him in the head, now that Wednesdayite is dead! With an A and a G and an R and an O it’s off to Hillsborough we will go with a bottle and a brick and a walkin stick cos we are THE SHOREHAM AGRO!
 
Some good stuff on this thread.

Don’t like the ‘now that piggies dead’ shit, but deep in my guts the worst Against Them song is ‘if you hate Wednesday stand up’. Always hated it. If it was changed to ‘sit down’ we’d be the most hate-thirsty club in England.
 
Walkin down Shoreham Street swinging my chain, I saw this Wednesdayite I asked his name. I kicked him in the bollocks and I kicked him in the head, now that Wednesdayite is dead! With an A and a G and an R and an O it’s off to Hillsborough we will go with a bottle and a brick and a walkin stick cos we are THE SHOREHAM AGRO!
How appallingly inappropriate
You’re in trouble now lad!
 
Walkin down Shoreham Street swinging my chain, I saw this Wednesdayite I asked his name. I kicked him in the bollocks and I kicked him in the head, now that Wednesdayite is dead! With an A and a G and an R and an O it’s off to Hillsborough we will go with a bottle and a brick and a walkin stick cos we are THE SHOREHAM AGRO!
Supposed to include a ;-)
 
We put them in their place in 70-71 and didn't see them for many years until that day in 1979.

Same could be said of many former work mates apart from two who follow them everywhere. They are sensible enough to know football is a taboo subject when we meet.

I was 'schooled' at Dinno Comp. A pit village with lots of Blades/Wendy a few Donny/Rovrum and sadly some DirtyLeeds but most fans didn't go. Post Boxing Day the Wendy poured out of the woodwork and the number of brand new blue and whit scarves was sickenig. I knew some Blades who went a bit quiet, but no Blade I knew ever changed colours or stopped believing. Loads of floaters joined the piggy bandwagon but they were easily laughed at.

Re your latter comment, I actually respect a few pigs who went to the sty pre Boxing Day. They suffered shit and knew that we did too , so didn't go barmy after the 4-0. As ever, the proper fans know it might come back and bite you in the bum, but the wankers can't stop themselves taking the piss.

I can't imagine how '66 was like in Sheffield. The first FAC final I watched was 1970 aged 6 and I watched everyone after until 93. I spent the afternoon walking the dog although we didn't even have a dog then. It all came good in the end though: "Andy, Andy, Andy Linighan....."

They are gobshite Johnny come lately wankers and deserve all we can give them. Then some more.
 
I've always hated the Pigs since being very young. My Dad was from Nottingham, married a girl from Heeley and came to the conclusion quickly that the gobshites in the city were of the Blue persuasion. Thanks Dad for realising this and taking me to the Lane.

Growing up in the late fifties/early sixties on a council estate in Sheffield the gobshites extended to the young kids playing on the field. We were Unitedites they were Wendyites. Never knew anyone who went to watch both clubs. When they won boy did the whole estate and local clubs know about it. We were more reserved when winning simply because for most of the year we were told we were the inferior team.

For me the real hatred started in the mid sixties around the time they got to the Cup Final and the early stages of trouble on the terraces. Suddenly every dickhead family on the estate who'd never ever been to a football match declared their allegiance to the blue swine. Imagine being put in detention at your junior school along with another fellow Blade for refusing to paint blue and white banners for the Sheffield Club playing at Wembley. Mike Trebilcock what a legend.

World Cup came along England won it and we were all one together. Feel good factor didn't last long. A year later the Pigs out did themselves deciding they weren't England anymore declaring allegiance to the Scots who beat the World champions at Wembley because McCalliog played and scored for them. The ultimate bandwagon fans.

September 66 went to my first away match at the Sty and experienced a mixture of fascination and terror on their Kop as Blades rained down half of the wood and tin keeping the Kop together and countless old pennies as we sang about 10,000 Wendyites dead on the floor. Think that was the egg game Ronnie Sharp wrote about.

In the return their glory hunters turned out in numbers at the Lane as Ritchie scored the winner. Abiding memory from that game was the defiant red line of Blades fans scarves on the Kop. In Pond Street bus station after the game with Dad the bigger gobshites on the estate came up taking the piss saying "I bet your going to cry now". Old man said they're not crying pointing to about 500 Blades marching and chanting down A platform. Pigs scurrying everywhere. Moment of pride, stayed with me all these years later.

Started at a Comprehensive School where they brought kids from 5 mining pit villages together and a few of us from Sheffield council estates. Found out there are equally as many gobshite fans languishing in pit villages as there are on council estates. Pigs outnumbered us but never got the better of us as one pit village was 80% Blades probably still is, that was Beighton.

By the time the glory days of Currie and Woodward came along their numbers had melted away and many had gone back into the woodwork. We put them in their place in 70-71 and didn't see them for many years until that day in 1979.

Remember chants about Alan Brown and Ritchie and others confirming our hatred of them lot. The real classics though such as Swinging a Pig, Wings of a Sparrow and No Pig Fans in Town were composed later.

Just to conclude other halfs family are mainly pigs who don't go to games. The Blades still attend. Away from football they are reasonable people but morph into deluded fckwits when football comes along. Same could be said of many former work mates apart from two who follow them everywhere. They are sensible enough to know football is a taboo subject when we meet.
Beighton blades allways there for the cause if needed .never a backward step.,
 
I was 'schooled' at Dinno Comp. A pit village with lots of Blades/Wendy a few Donny/Rovrum and sadly some DirtyLeeds but most fans didn't go. Post Boxing Day the Wendy poured out of the woodwork and the number of brand new blue and whit scarves was sickenig. I knew some Blades who went a bit quiet, but no Blade I knew ever changed colours or stopped believing. Loads of floaters joined the piggy bandwagon but they were easily laughed at.

Re your latter comment, I actually respect a few pigs who went to the sty pre Boxing Day. They suffered shit and knew that we did too , so didn't go barmy after the 4-0. As ever, the proper fans know it might come back and bite you in the bum, but the wankers can't stop themselves taking the piss.

I can't imagine how '66 was like in Sheffield. The first FAC final I watched was 1970 aged 6 and I watched everyone after until 93. I spent the afternoon walking the dog although we didn't even have a dog then. It all came good in the end though: "Andy, Andy, Andy Linighan....."

They are gobshite Johnny come lately wankers and deserve all we can give them. Then some more.
I had a ten Bob bet with a Wed fan work mate.the bet was on the semi final which they won,it was double or quits on the final which they lost and saved me being out of pocket to pig fan. Ten Bob ( 50p ) in today's money was a lot to a teenager like me at the time. Thankyou Mr Treble cock he scored two ,still smile when I reflect on that match now.
 
My old man said be a wednesday fan, i said fuck off bollocks your a cunt.
We'll take hillsborough and all thats in it, we'll take hillsborough in just one minute
With hatchets and spanners, garden knives and spanners, we are the boys from Bramall Lane.
We go home and away on on a Sat-ur-day where the beer tastes all the same
 
I'm working up an Academic Thesis on the nature of being a football fan. (ie trying to steal some ideas for a Blog). I was born in the 1950s. Brought up on The Shoreham. Naturally, we sang FOR our team. Naturally, we sang "the anthems" - You'll Never Walk .... Alone. Occasionally, we sang AGAINST our opponents of the day - In Your Liverpool Slums. But. But. But. I don't remember us singing all that much about our hatred of Sheffield Wednesday unless we were playing them. I can place - No Pig Fans In Town - to 1981 (I moved to London & I remember a guy I shared a flat with asking me the lyrics). Also blah blah blah Jackie Charlton is the Clown blah blah blah Tommy Tynon blah blah blah Monkeys In The Zoo.

Go on then. Have a bang. What's your earliest recollection of a song AGAINST Sheffield Wednesday ringing around the ground when we weren't playing them. I'm prepared for "I remember singing We Hate Wednesday in 1957" - but come on, a proper anti-Wednesday song. What's the earliest you got?

I'm one of those weirdos who likes to be FOR something, not necessarily AGAINST something. If you want to demonstrate you're the biggest Pig Hater - this thread not for you Buddy......
Interesting idea for a thread Phil...good effort.

I'm too young to remember the "pre-hate" days...ever since I've been a Blade we've always sung songs about hating wednesday as much (or sometimes more) than songs supporting united...it is weird and sometimes it irks me a bit (I was heard to shout "who the fuck cares" when someone on the kop tried to start SWFIUA on wednesday night as we were labouring to a 0-0 with Brum).

Not sure if this is related enough but I always find the "hatred" aspect of the rivalry a bit peculiar. One of my old school mates is a girl who is a lifelong, die-hard pig (I call her one to her face, as she does to me). I do not, and never will "hate" her at all. She is very similar to me in many respects, but happens to have chosen the "wrong" team from my point of view. We chat often about football, and sheffield football in particular. I can discuss wednesday's form/players/management/off-field dealing with her, and she can do the same for me with united. It helps that she is not a subscriber to the "massive" mindset etc I suppose, and is a knowledgeable, down to earth football fan.

That said, I have in the past, and will again in future, directed some utterly awful vitriol towards a stand full of people that I know my friend is in (kop in away derbies, BL lower in home ones). I once, to my eternal shame, screamed that "I hope the stand collapses and all you cunts die," towards the lane end during a derby when we were losing at home and they were in full voice. Obviously I didn't REALLY want that to happen, but in the heat of the moment I felt nothing but real, vicious hatred towards the people in the other end.

I'm not really sure what point I'm making now, other than that football (and especially rivalries) can and does turn otherwise quiet, unassuming people into complete arseholes.
 
Too young to remember the pre hate days but I feel this seems to have an anti United slant to it. Now I was brought up in a nice area of Sheffield, my dad and brother supported Man Utd and I was more or less spurs until around 1986 just before I started secondary.

Due to this I think I can come in fairly neutral on this as even then you couldn’t have a decent chat with a Wednesday fan as his dad had convinced them how big they were, and they would even at aged 10 and still do in my office break into random song if there is discussion about United.

You wouldn’t know who the united fans were at my middle school but they were generally the better sort and I started going to games with my mates and it went from there.

In my opinion, Wednesday fans break into anti united songs a lot quicker than we do and always have done.

But to finish my first song I can remember being taught was....

United 2 Wednesday 2 then.........

On to the pitch came John Tudor harah harah

And to the pitch came John Tudor harah harah

He scored a goal and that was it, Shoreham street, they had a fit

They all went wild when Tudor scored the goal.

Unsure why this hasn’t been changed to Mark Duffy...
 

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