Foresight - Plan until 31.01.2010

[SwissBlade]

Surely, it should be between 0 and 50

Ooops does the Lottery go up to 50! Shows how much I play it

 

[lenners]

Oh right! That is/was the solution.... great! I will make sure I read your pearls of wisdom in future. Sorry I missed it the first time, I just assumed you were being vague. More than enough detail there.

So the solution to all our problems was... Assemble a squad and team ready for the new season. Genius.

Oh and this weeks Lottery numbers - will be 6 different numbers between 1-49... Good luck everyone!

Jeez, how simple does it have to be made.
When you have a season where you've ended up relying on copious amounts of loan players, you make sure you are not in the same situation the following season.
I believe the club even stated this would not happen again.
To avoid this, you assemble a squad before the season starts with that in mind.
If you do, you don't end up with fans posting threads about what do we do when the whole premise of such a post is based on the fact that we did not assemble a proper squad in the summer and are now relying on loan players again.
Most wisdom is often based in simplicity Swiss.

 

[Pinchy]

1. See if anyone will be Jamie Ward
2. make Lowton full time fullback
3. Although I like Calve, I need his wages elsewhere. Can we send him back
4. See if Speed's mate Bruce needs Nosworthy back.
5. As much as I like Reid those wages need to be spend elsewhere.
6. We need a powerful runner from midfield to give Britton more Space.
7. Sell Ward
8. Sell or get rid of Cresswell/Evans
9. Sign a new cente half
10. Go back to trying to play the football we did for the scunthorpe game. Prefer to lose like that to how we have done at Doncaster etc;
11. get a left winger
12. all signings above with pace power height

As to number one, might I suggest either Jamie Ward or a Jamie Ward impersonator?

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Surely, it should be between 0 and 50

It should indeed. The numbers between 0 and 50 are 1-49 inclusive; The numbers between 1 and 49 are 2-48 inclusive.

As to the main topic: Obvious and predictable but never more valid: Get rid of resource-draining passengers Montgomery and Quinn and use the savings to bring in one proper footballer.

 

[SwissBlade]

Jeez, how simple does it have to be made.
Most wisdom is often based in simplicity Swiss.

Oh its so simple Lenners, Just like its so simple to post about the summer in the Hindsight thread. But seeing as though you can't do that (Jeez, how simple does it have to be made)

I love how you can sit there and say that its so simple, how you have reminded anyone and everyone in enless number of threads about how we've pissed the money up the wall (or words to that end).
YET are completely disregarding the fact that we have no cash and just brush the summer off with "to avoid this, you assemble a squad before the season starts with that in mind" Genius Lenners, pure Genius, have a cigar!

To summarise, looking back with the Accounts in hand, that was the whole point of the hindsight thread. Because the club told us we weren't to rely on loans, the club didn't tell us other things about the finances.

So if we can move back to the point of this thread. With all that in mind from the last summer/ last year, how do we rectify the situation that we are in. We have a chance to take SOME action which may cost money, but some which may not cost money, only time.

Hence the reason for this thread Lenners, simplicity in its finest form, why complicate it by turning this into a pissing contest about how much you told everyone, yet not remind us of what you told us. Except you did remind us, it was just so basic and simplistic, that we had to ask several times to understand your point. In the end it was, as I said Genius. I was hoping and assuming that a man of obvious intelligence (I am being serious) that instead of dragging every thread down to the same conclusion of "we didn't do it in the summer, so lets shut up shop" that you would offer us some insight into what you feel is the way forward for example - playing style, formations, key players, players to keep, loanees to send back, back room changes etc etc. There are many options.

Of course we all have ideas and the club will do what it thinks is right, which maybe all, it maybe nothing. But that wasn't the point of the thread, the thread was to seek constructive opinions and as you say "Most wisdom is often based in simplicity.

 

[raul]

Answer the question Len, answer the question Len, answe....OH MY GOD WHY WON'T YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION

 

[lenners]

Swiss, in the opening post on this thread you again suggested people had criticised what had happened in the summer without offering solutions.
I have since pointed out that the solution to our problems of not having enough players and relying on loans, again, was to have assembled a full squad then.
We knew we needed to do this months and months ago - not in the middle of December.
It is indeed a simple concept. It is also an undeniably accurate one.
You and some other posters don't like the fact that this was pointed out at the time.
But attempting to avoid this issue and contend that people did not point this out - as you did again in your opening post on this thread - is not reight.
What has money got to do with it? How much money has gone on loans? Millions.
Millions that could have and should have gone on permanent signings that should have been made in the summer. If you don't prepare, you know the rest.
Everything goes back to the failure of the summer.
You can piss in the wind about 'foresight' and 'plans' until the end of January but if we did nothing of substance during the four or five months from March when we knew what was needed, what do you really think is going to happen in the next six weeks?
Having a bit of foresight would suggest bugger all of substance will happen.

 

[Bramley]

This thread has turned into some sort of nightmare. Am I locked in purgatory?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqR5NPhtLI

I don't know why, but it just seems appropriate to post it!

 

[Trigger Blade]

Swiss, in the opening post on this thread you again suggested people had criticised what had happened in the summer without offering solutions.
I have since pointed out that the solution to our problems of not having enough players and relying on loans, again, was to have assembled a full squad then.
We knew we needed to do this months and months ago - not in the middle of December.
It is indeed a simple concept. It is also an undeniably accurate one.
You and some other posters don't like the fact that this was pointed out at the time.
But attempting to avoid this issue and contend that people did not point this out - as you did again in your opening post on this thread - is not reight.
What has money got to do with it? How much money has gone on loans? Millions.
Millions that could have and should have gone on permanent signings that should have been made in the summer. If you don't prepare, you know the rest.
Everything goes back to the failure of the summer.
You can piss in the wind about 'foresight' and 'plans' until the end of January but if we did nothing of substance during the four or five months from March when we knew what was needed, what do you really think is going to happen in the next six weeks?
Having a bit of foresight would suggest bugger all of substance will happen.

Swiss, just to save you wading through that, allow me to paraphrase:-

Swiss Question: len, we're in a mess, what do you think we should do to try and get out of it?

len: Nothing will be done

 

[SwissBlade]

Swiss, in the opening post on this thread you again suggested people had criticised what had happened in the summer without offering solutions.
I have since pointed out that the solution to our problems of not having enough players and relying on loans, again, was to have assembled a full squad then.
We knew we needed to do this months and months ago - not in the middle of December.
It is indeed a simple concept. It is also an undeniably accurate one.
You and some other posters don't like the fact that this was pointed out at the time.
But attempting to avoid this issue and contend that people did not point this out - as you did again in your opening post on this thread - is not reight.
What has money got to do with it? How much money has gone on loans? Millions.
Millions that could have and should have gone on permanent signings that should have been made in the summer. If you don't prepare, you know the rest.
Everything goes back to the failure of the summer.
You can piss in the wind about 'foresight' and 'plans' until the end of January but if we did nothing of substance during the four or five months from March when we knew what was needed, what do you really think is going to happen in the next six weeks?
Having a bit of foresight would suggest bugger all of substance will happen.

Lenners, as many people (myself included) are getting tired of this I will make my last point. Whether you agree isn't my point, just want to finally clarify my side.

I didn't suggest. I made a point that people had criticised the summer activities and you personally did not offer an alternative solution. You still haven't. You just made vague statements, nothing of real substance. Just a mission statement for the summer.

Again I will say, its very easy to say that we should've assembled a full squad, don't you think that this was attempted? Every single team will have attempted this, the difference is the variables - the main one money; followed by players desire to play for the Blades. Now the 1st we know we have none, its fact, the second we can only speculate on.

I never denied the concepts, neither in the summer nor now. I have just said all along that there are other factors (in my opinion) which determined how well the summer went.

I have never attempted to avoid the issues of money and I have never suggested that this wasn't pointed out in the spring/ summer, I just think that there is more to our beloved football club than the board room and quite honestly there are more than enough of those threads about.

As for pissing in the wind about foresight and plans, thanks for this. I should probably respond to that comment with the contempt that it deserves, however as I said before you don't have to read/ reply to every thread, if you don't want to get involved with the discussion, then don't bother, nobody is forcing you to. And most probably others would also like to discuss what we think we should do football wise on this thread, even if it is a futile exercise as the club will do what it wants anyway. But then again if we took your approach that would void 99% of this forum.

The best thing is, you have the perfect opportunity here to suggest anything, provide us with your knowledge but you just refuse to do this, I don't know the reasons for this, but reading your posts, you seem to have abandoned any hope that we will do anything at all, so feel that we shouldn't be discussing a way forward to push us out of this period that we're going through.

Finally, I'll apologise to those who wanted to make a decent contribution and have a football related discussion, I know one or two of you had wanted to do this, but it seems that I have dragged myself into a discussion with Lenners. I hope we can get this back on track again as there has been some good points made, which I'd also like to respond to. I just haven't had chance because of this back and forth (which has been off topic)

 

[SwissBlade]

Planning On hold

Just a little bump for this one. Seems like it could be become even more relevant if/ when Speed goes. But for now its on hold

Seems to be a vast range of suggestions on who we need for the new manager, so I guess all the suggestions on here are well and truly on hold for now

 

[SwissBlade]

In the light of Lenners new found positivity, I want to reactivate this thread to see what Micky needs to do between now and the close of the Transfer window.

3 games into his stint, we've got one draw. Were showing well for the comebacks, but not enough to win games (yet)

What can we do to get the quick fixes that we need?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Sort the defence out. Top, top, top priority

 

[SwissBlade]

Sort the defence out. Top, top, top priority

Agreed.

But in the meantime, Micky and Corky need to work on the big thing that Speed, Carver, Blackwell and Robson all failed to address - Set pieces

We've had problems defending set pieces, but even bigger problems making use of the attacking Set pieces that we get. Keef was the last decent Corner and freekick man, but even he lost interest and got sloppy.

Ward is not the answer for corners!

 

[Kopped]

Agreed.

But in the meantime, Micky and Corky need to work on the big thing that Speed, Carver, Blackwell and Robson all failed to address - Set pieces

We've had problems defending set pieces, but even bigger problems making use of the attacking Set pieces that we get. Keef was the last decent Corner and freekick man, but even he lost interest and got sloppy.

Ward is not the answer for corners!

I think I'll have to differ in the Set pieces and Robson thing. That's 1 thing that we were particularly good at tbh.

I remember watching BT taking most of them for us but also Teaching Quinn. Quinn had 8 goals to his name that season and coincidently, as soon as BT was sold his goals dried up and have never returned
His other goal was a stunning volley against Hull at BDTBL when Morgan got sent off. Hull were promoted that year as well.

Also the set pieces have also dried up since Tonge was sold.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think I'll have to differ in the Set pieces and Robson thing. That's 1 thing that we were particularly good at tbh.

I remember watching BT taking most of them for us but also Teaching Quinn. Quinn had 8 goals to his name that season and coincidently, as soon as BT was sold his goals dried up and have never returned
His other goal was a stunning volley against Hull at BDTBL when Morgan got sent off. Hull were promoted that year as well.

Also the set pieces have also dried up since Tonge was sold.

Ok thats Freeekicks, but what about Corners? We get far more corners than freekicks in shooting positions, but not only that, freekicks from distance that should be floated into the box.

Under Robson, I agree that BT could lace a freekick and Quinny did well, but I Corners and balls into the box were poor.

 

[Grecian2000]

I can't remember a goal direct from a corner (i.e. corner onto foot or head rather than corner leading to scramble) since Cotterill and Beattie combined on them.
Free kicks within shooting range seems to be Ched territory (and not very productive), free kicks that need to be crossed are particularly poor.

I had a go at this thread in the first few posts and I stand by that post still. Not a lot has changed for me.

 

[Kopped]

I think the standard of Corners has particularly been poor since we lost decent Full Backs and Wide men. Tonge usually took a good corner.

Since Unsworth left, the corners have been poor, particularly from the left. Free Kicks are now very poor. I don't think they need to be practising them in training. More get some dead ball specialists in cause we have none. We used to have an abundance of very good long throw in takers as well, now we just have Kozluk.

Come to think of it, KB and his style of football, he actually got rid of all the service from wide area's including Throw-ins. Pretty shocking when you think of it like that.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think the standard of Corners has particularly been poor since we lost decent Full Backs and Wide men. Tonge usually took a good corner.

Since Unsworth left, the corners have been poor, particularly from the left. Free Kicks are now very poor. I don't think they need to be practising them in training. More get some dead ball specialists in cause we have none. We used to have an abundance of very good long throw in takers as well, now we just have Kozluk.

Come to think of it, KB and his style of football, he actually got rid of all the service from wide area's including Throw-ins. Pretty shocking when you think of it like that.

Ahhh if only for a Greg Halford

 

[JohnDenver]

I think the standard of Corners has particularly been poor since we lost decent Full Backs and Wide men. Tonge usually took a good corner.

Since Unsworth left, the corners have been poor, particularly from the left. Free Kicks are now very poor. I don't think they need to be practising them in training. More get some dead ball specialists in cause we have none. We used to have an abundance of very good long throw in takers as well, now we just have Kozluk.

Come to think of it, KB and his style of football, he actually got rid of all the service from wide area's including Throw-ins. Pretty shocking when you think of it like that.

Have to say, despite being Tonge's biggest fan, his corners were usually floated in without pace. More accurate but easier to defend.

I'd prefer a corner taker to drive the ball in and risk getting a few wrong. Trouble is, our current lot can't do it either way.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

1. Recruitment plans must be centred around the defence
2. Get our injured players back as fast as humanly possible without risking them
3. Adams has to go with a balanced but experienced side and stick with it (I'm sure he will).

To have any chance of staying up and to stop conceding goals I would try to get this lot fit and playing togeter ASAP:-

Simonsen
Lowton, Vacancy, Vacancy, Jordan
Yeates, Williamson, Montgomery, Quinn
Evans, Henderson

GK Vacancy, Conneely, Bartley, Ertl, McAllister, Ward, Cresswell​

As for the rest, I would hold on to Kozzy and Bogdanovic for the time being. Cash in on Britton and get rid of the rest (apart from the youngsters of course).

 

[SwissBlade]

1. Recruitment plans must be centred around the defence
2. Get our injured players back as fast as humanly possible without risking them
3. Adams has to go with a balanced but experienced side and stick with it (I'm sure he will).

To have any chance of staying up and to stop conceding goals I would try to get this lot fit and playing togeter ASAP:-

Simonsen
Lowton, Vacancy, Vacancy, Jordan
Yeates, Williamson, Montgomery, Quinn
Evans, Henderson

GK Vacancy, Conneely, Bartley, Ertl, McAllister, Ward, Cresswell​

As for the rest, I would hold on to Kozzy and Bogdanovic for the time being. Cash in on Britton and get rid of the rest (apart from the youngsters of course).

Interesting line up SteelCity!

Bartley not in the first team? He's been excellent this year.
Jordan's out for the season
Hendo not back anytime soon
Britton to be sold off?

 

[CG Blade]

Plus quinn and Mony in Midfield, and two unknown Irish lads on subs bench. Doesn't full me with confidence.

 

[Pinchy]

I would hold on to Kozzy as well: by the throat, for a couple of minutes.

What a depressing line-up. More of the same mediocrity, please.

 

[SwissBlade]

Plus quinn and Mony in Midfield, and two unknown Irish lads on subs bench. Doesn't full me with confidence.

Don't be afraid of the unknown

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Interesting line up SteelCity!

Bartley not in the first team? He's been excellent this year.
Jordan's out for the season
Hendo not back anytime soon
Britton to be sold off?

Last time I heard, Jordan was out until the new year
I had also read on here a few times that Hendo was weeks away.....had a setback has he?
Britton is one of the few saleable assets and doesnt fit in with MA's way of playing as far as I can see. Pointless having him, he serves no purpose under this manager.

Plus quinn and Mony in Midfield, and two unknown Irish lads on subs bench. Doesn't full me with confidence.

The opinion on Quinn and Monty is understandable, but the irish lads may be brilliant for all we know.....as may any other signings we bring in. But apart from that, what choice do we have???? Who would you play instead?

I would hold on to Kozzy as well: by the throat, for a couple of minutes.

What a depressing line-up. More of the same mediocrity, please.

Like I said above, who else would you play???? We havent a pot to piss in as you know.....its a case of make do and that is our best make do lineup IMO, whether it be depressing or not.

 

[SwissBlade]

Last time I heard, Jordan was out until the new year
I had also read on here a few times that Hendo was weeks away.....had a setback has he?
Britton is one of the few saleable assets and doesnt fit in with MA's way of playing as far as I can see. Pointless having him, he serves no purpose under this manager.

Jordan - Apologies, I thought he was out longer, MA said at the weekend "he's running but still needs a reserve game
Hendo - Pre match Villa also stated that he remains a longterm absentee, I don't expect him back any time soon.
Britton - Yes he may be saleable, but not sure why he doesn't fit MA's way of playing? He's played under MA and done alright. So as MA hadn't decided whether we were a long/ short ball side I wouldn't think a player like Britton will be on the move anytime soon. Unless he wants to go...

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Britton - Yes he may be saleable, but not sure why he doesn't fit MA's way of playing? He's played under MA and done alright. So as MA hadn't decided whether we were a long/ short ball side I wouldn't think a player like Britton will be on the move anytime soon. Unless he wants to go...

He has only started the one game under MA and to be quite honest he hasnt set the world alight all season.....though that probably isnt largely down to him. I just cannot see him fitting in either. MA has clearly stated he wants high octane play and to get the ball down the wings and into the box as early as possible.....

That sort of system totally negates Britton's strengths. His game is to pick the ball up from deep and build play from his own half.....I dont see the two going together some how.

I've been thinking it since MA was appointed and the lads on RS said a similar thing last night, clearly for once I agree with them!

 

[Big Mart]

In the light of Lenners new found positivity, I want to reactivate this thread to see what Micky needs to do between now and the close of the Transfer window.

3 games into his stint, we've got one draw. Were showing well for the comebacks, but not enough to win games (yet)

What can we do to get the quick fixes that we need?

Best thing you can do is brace yourself and prepare for a big old let down. If you're older than 16 then you'll know how this club works, it flatters to deceive and it nearly always fails to deliver. There'll be no big signing spree in the transfer window, there'll be no shipping out of the crap, instead we'll maybe get a couple more no mark loanees and be told that we were oh so close to making the signings that matter, only to be beaten down by those pesky agents.........again

We're in trouble, we can't do a thing about it, the board and the management can but as per usual they've gone a little quiet at the moment. All we can do is wait and see, an awful place to be but sorry, that's the reality of the situation.

 

[beightonblade]

What we need to do now is take the hit ! .....get rid of the dross pretending to be football players ......... and bring some freshuns in.
Don't tell me we can't afford it cause thats bollox.....we can't afford not to do it.

 

[Pinchy]

Last time I heard, Jordan was out until the new year
I had also read on here a few times that Hendo was weeks away.....had a setback has he?
Britton is one of the few saleable assets and doesnt fit in with MA's way of playing as far as I can see. Pointless having him, he serves no purpose under this manager.



The opinion on Quinn and Monty is understandable, but the irish lads may be brilliant for all we know.....as may any other signings we bring in. But apart from that, what choice do we have???? Who would you play instead?



Like I said above, who else would you play???? We havent a pot to piss in as you know.....its a case of make do and that is our best make do lineup IMO, whether it be depressing or not.

Constantly giving the ball away; conceding free-kicks and penalties; shadow-chasing and aimless random flicks is an odd 'way of playing'!

As to who I would play - Britton in place of Montgomery; Ward for Elpiton. Alternatively, move the Vacancy brothers from centre-back!