For Those Who Want A New Manager - Realistic Suggestions For A Manager Better Than Wilder

[Boxer Blade]

I think most people know Pep is a good manager.

I also think most people know that he isn't a realistic suggestion for us at the present time.

oh dear.

 

[Cheesebored]

Slightly bizarre OP. By that criteria Man Utd would never have appointed Moyes as Ferguson's successor.

Remind me how his tenure panned out?

 

[paidsy]

Had the 3rd biggest budget in the league. Finished 3rd playing a style of football that can kindly be described as cautious. Missed out on an automatic promotion race by refusing to commit to attacking and controlling games. Authored a fantastic turnaround by leaning into the obvious attacking strength of his team but then re-folded and curled up into a protective shell on the biggest stage.

Wasted a collosal Championship fee on Cannon that is, post non-promotion an unmitigated disaster. Refused to consider removing Robinson from the team despite his inability to play a forward pass to start an attack, despite having a better player available.

Never found a plan B for attacking without going through Hamer and preying. Rak-Sakyi (and maybe Brooks) was the only other player in the squad capable of creating a goal from nothing and he left him out of the squad for BBD who'd not played in a month and struggled in general.

What he did previously is irrelevant. The only question is whether he's capable of getting promotion next season with 3 PP teams + Birmingham. I don't think he will be

He failed in a season where only 3 teams were above average. God help us if the standard is higher.

 

[Cheesebored]

Who knows if a new appointment will improve us? But I believe that not considering the possibility is to blindly embrace the past no matter what is happening to SUFC.

Agree with this.

 

[sheepbridge]

There are plenty of good managers in their early 30s and 40s now who obviously haven't got Wilder's historical record, which is massively impressive and gave us some of the best years many / most have ever seen, there's no denying that and nobody is, but things move on.

Would you reject the managers of Brighton, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Man U, Spurs etc. because they don't have Wilder's historical record? Yes they're out of our league now of course, but they came from smaller clubs abroad and many people might never have heard of them before they got a job in England so couldn't name them as possible managers. Everyone laughed when Brighton appointed a guy who was in his early 30s, most clubs would have him now. So, as for who, that's for the club to know and actually our next appointment might be based more on data like player recruitment will be and so be someone we've never heard of.

You could turn the question around, which club looking for a manager would now choose Wilder?

Can I name one with that record (or at least similar) no, well Dave Bassett, Joe Royal, Big Sam etc. might have similar achievements I suppose, but wouldn't want them in charge.

 

[Boroblade1889]

Sunderland manager doesn’t have anything on the OP’s wish list…….discuss

 

[UTB Blade]

Evening Chris

I wish I were Chris Wilder.

I've done well in my studies and career in the past, but I can only dream of achieving the level of success, and gaining the accolades, that Wilder has, at the elite level he's done it.

That's why it makes me so sad to see the way he's being treated by many supposed supporters of this club now. He's a winner, with a fantastic record that most football managers would be proud of. One frustrating and disappointing play off final loss doesn't change that.

He doesn't deserve the level of disrespect that's being aimed at him at the moment. It's not on.

 

[Blademan89]

I've lost count of the number of threads on here calling for Wilder's head, with numerous posters demanding someone 'better', but I've yet to see a single suggestion of a better manager who we could realistically get.

So here's a thread for those who want rid of Wilder to name names.

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this:

• Won promotion from all EFL divisions (Wilder's record: won promotion from League Two with Northampton, won promotion from League One with us, won promotion from the Championship with us).

• Won at least one EFL League with 99 points (Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton)

• Won at least one EFL League with 100 points (Wilder's record: won League One with 100 points with us)

• Won promotion from the Championship with at least 89 points (Wilder's record: won promotion from the Championship with 89 points with us)

• Accumulated at least 92 points in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: accumulated 92 points in the Championship in one season with us)

• Won at least 28 matches in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: won 28 matches in the Championship in one season with us)

• Achieved at least a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League (Wilder's record: achieved a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League with us)

• Won the LMA Manager of the Year Award at least once (Wilder's record: won the LMA Manager of the Year Award with us)

If anyone can suggest a manager who has achieved all of the achievements listed above, and more, this thread is your opportunity to name them.

As it seems unfair to ask others to name names without having a go at it myself, I've had a good think about this, and here is my list of all the managers I can think of with a better record than Wilder, who we could realistically get:
























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I get all your saying and yes hes a decent manager, most definitely best united manager of my lifetime and his football in the first stint was the best football I've ever witnessed from a united tea, both attacking and defending and he is a modern hero for us no doubt and will leave a legacy.

Im saying all that, people do become stale and dont perform at their peak and do decline which i think wilder is doing. The football on show is become more negative, more stale (defending 1-0s, hecky & clough style). His tactics during games are becoming increasing poor and his tinkering of the teams and squad selection is often baffling.

His summer plans was up in the air regards the take over and so has some grace for that, but not sure if i trust him with a proper transfer budget.

If he stays then he has to get the squad to hit the ground running and back to free flowing attacking football like he used to play with us, if its more of the same shit football and defending 1-0s then trigger needs to be pulled when bad results creep in.

 

[robbiez666]

I feel the OP misses the point entirely. The best manager in the world isn't Wilder so what is the point of comparing another manager's record to Wilder?

It's a ridiculous way to look at it.

There are plenty of talented young managers out there. Some will be better than Wilder, others will be worse, but we can't just simply carry on doing the same thing over and over again and expect better outcomes.

We were the biggest team in League 1. We are the 3rd biggest team in the Championship this season.

The first spell was magic. But since then it hasn't been. We've overachieved in terms of results this season but his performance off the pitch has been questionable.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I've lost count of the number of threads on here calling for Wilder's head, with numerous posters demanding someone 'better', but I've yet to see a single suggestion of a better manager who we could realistically get.

So here's a thread for those who want rid of Wilder to name names.

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this:

• Won promotion from all EFL divisions (Wilder's record: won promotion from League Two with Northampton, won promotion from League One with us, won promotion from the Championship with us).

• Won at least one EFL League with 99 points (Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton)

• Won at least one EFL League with 100 points (Wilder's record: won League One with 100 points with us)

• Won promotion from the Championship with at least 89 points (Wilder's record: won promotion from the Championship with 89 points with us)

• Accumulated at least 92 points in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: accumulated 92 points in the Championship in one season with us)

• Won at least 28 matches in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: won 28 matches in the Championship in one season with us)

• Achieved at least a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League (Wilder's record: achieved a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League with us)

• Won the LMA Manager of the Year Award at least once (Wilder's record: won the LMA Manager of the Year Award with us)

If anyone can suggest a manager who has achieved all of the achievements listed above, and more, this thread is your opportunity to name them.

As it seems unfair to ask others to name names without having a go at it myself, I've had a good think about this, and here is my list of all the managers I can think of with a better record than Wilder, who we could realistically get:
























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I’m not sure what I want, to be honest. What I think will happen is the owners will have a plan on how they want the team to be coached. Yes coached not managed. Will Wilder be able to take players he has been given and told to get on with it, I doubt it. Which in my mind weather it’s good or bad will be what happens. The suggested manager from the uk also don’t fit that mold

 

[Carlton Blade]

Its academic until the owners have decided how to take things forward, I've heard rumours that Wilder is on 40k a week ( someone in the pub who knows his family, so pinch of salt)
At that level our pool of coaches should be fairly large
I keep banging on about Dominica todescu ( out of work after leaving Belgium job ) but would he lower his ambitions

Todescu's Schalke teams make this United side look like Brazil 70 in terms of attacking intent

 

[UTB Blade]

Why does a new manager need to one-up Wilder's past achievements? If you're going to pose a question with such stringent limitations, you may ask well find an empty room and ask in there.

I remain an advocate for Liam Manning. He was certainly 2nd best in the playoff games, but his tactical approach is more fluid, more dynamic, and more positive than Wilder. I think he would get a lot more out of this squad than Wilder has. And that's accounting for our 90-point tally this season.

Alternatively, Sean Dyche has a track record of not only promotion from this league, but of sustaining Premier League status against the odds.

Wilder has got a significant list of accolades to his name, many of them with us. But he also has a record of failures with us too.

In particular, his record in the transfer market, specifically when he has a healthy budget, is lacking to say the least. Of the players bought since he first led us to the PL, I'd argue that only Berge can be considered anything close to a success.

His actions in that 2nd PL season, when denied additional transfer funds, are wholly unbecoming. Opting to leave, rather than battle on with the squad he built, speaks very poorly to his character.

Last season can be glossed over to a degree, as he was ade captain of a ship that had started sinking long beforehand. But this season, he's assembled a squad packed with upper-Championship, to lower-PL talent, and has often had them playing within themselves, as if afraid of giving the game away. Which, ironically, is exactly what we did yesterday.

One of 2 things is desperately required this summer: evolution, or revolution.

Either Wilder reinvents himself, and this team, and sets up to take the Championship by storm. Or he, and his staff, are replaced by someone else who is prepared to do the same.

When I heard an absolute tit on Wembley Way, yesterday after the match, seriously telling a Sunderland fan that we would be better off with Röhl - who won 15 matches, accumulated 58 points, and finished in 12th last season - than Wilder - who won 28, accumulated 92, and finished 3rd - I thought that would be the most ridiculous manager suggestion I would hear this weekend. But you've certainly topped it, by suggesting the only one of the four Championship play off managers to get his arse spanked 6-0.

If you genuinely think a manager who accumulated 68 points in the Championship last season, is a better manager than one who accumulated 92 points, in the same division in the same season, and then got his arse spanked 6-0 aggregate by the 92 point manager , then there doesn't seem much point in discussing managers with you. You clearly prefer losers to winners, and that's not my mindset.

Fair play, though. Your: 'I'm an advocate for the manager who got his arse spanked 6-0, and who I freely admit certainly came off 2nd best to the manager I want to sack' will keep me amused for some time.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Started the season with 4 first team pro's.

Could only buy in August after selling.

Was told by the pro's on here that all the academy lads needed to go out on loan to Licoln City to get toughened up.

New owners only just in for the January transfer window.

How long will a new manager be given, 2 windows then out ?

Look across the city at how many managers they have had under Chansiri, ten I think and only one has got them anywhere near.

I suspect your reply will be that Le Bris has only been there for one season, though Sunderland have been assembling that squad for a number of seasons.

3rd biggest budget, spent a huge number in January. 20 other Championship bosses would have gladly swapped with him in July

 

[Boroblade1889]

When I heard an absolute tit on Wembley Way, yesterday after the match, seriously telling a Sunderland fan that we would be better off with Röhl - who won 15 matches, accumulated 58 points, and finished in 12th last season - than Wilder - who won 28, accumulated 92, and finished 3rd - I thought that would be the most ridiculous manager suggestion I would hear this weekend. But you've certainly topped it, by suggesting the only one of the four Championship play off managers to get his arse spanked 6-0.

If you genuinely think a manager who accumulated 68 points in the Championship last season, is a better manager than one who accumulated 92 points, in the same division in the same season, and then got his arse spanked 6-0 aggregate by the 92 point manager , then there doesn't seem much point in discussing managers with you. You clearly prefer losers to winners, and that's not my mindset.

Fair play, though. Your: 'I'm an advocate for the manager who got his arse spanked 6-0, and who I freely admit certainly came off 2nd best to the manager I want to sack' will keep me amused for some time.

Ah, but the 2 Managers had different tools to work with……

 

[Carlton Blade]

When I heard an absolute tit on Wembley Way, yesterday after the match, seriously telling a Sunderland fan that we would be better off with Röhl - who won 15 matches, accumulated 58 points, and finished in 12th last season - than Wilder - who won 28, accumulated 92, and finished 3rd - I thought that would be the most ridiculous manager suggestion I would hear this weekend. But you've certainly topped it, by suggesting the only one of the four Championship play off managers to get his arse spanked 6-0.

If you genuinely think a manager who accumulated 68 points in the Championship last season, is a better manager than one who accumulated 92 points, in the same division in the same season, and then got his arse spanked 6-0 aggregate by the 92 point manager , then there doesn't seem much point in discussing managers with you. You clearly prefer losers to winners, and that's not my mindset.

Fair play, though. Your: 'I'm an advocate for the manager who got his arse spanked 6-0, and who I freely admit certainly came off 2nd best to the manager I want to sack' will keep me amused for some time.

Do the players each manager has at their disposal not count? I have no feelings on Manning but Wilder had the 3rd biggest budget, 3rd best squad, got a huge amount of £ in January, the team then got worse, finished 3rd, finally started attacking and playing well then went back to being timid and his team folded in the biggest game.

It's been a par season that's ultimately a failure

 

[Torrix1889]

I've lost count of the number of threads on here calling for Wilder's head, with numerous posters demanding someone 'better', but I've yet to see a single suggestion of a better manager who we could realistically get.

So here's a thread for those who want rid of Wilder to name names.

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this:

• Won promotion from all EFL divisions (Wilder's record: won promotion from League Two with Northampton, won promotion from League One with us, won promotion from the Championship with us).

• Won at least one EFL League with 99 points (Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton)

• Won at least one EFL League with 100 points (Wilder's record: won League One with 100 points with us)

• Won promotion from the Championship with at least 89 points (Wilder's record: won promotion from the Championship with 89 points with us)

• Accumulated at least 92 points in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: accumulated 92 points in the Championship in one season with us)

• Won at least 28 matches in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: won 28 matches in the Championship in one season with us)

• Achieved at least a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League (Wilder's record: achieved a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League with us)

• Won the LMA Manager of the Year Award at least once (Wilder's record: won the LMA Manager of the Year Award with us)

If anyone can suggest a manager who has achieved all of the achievements listed above, and more, this thread is your opportunity to name them.

As it seems unfair to ask others to name names without having a go at it myself, I've had a good think about this, and here is my list of all the managers I can think of with a better record than Wilder, who we could realistically get:
























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Hi Mrs Wilder, hope that mardy husband of yours isn't too late home from singing on the local pub tables.

Seriously though my concerns regarding Wilder are on recruitment. If they owners give him time and he fills us with Brexit players whilst Souza, Anel, Hamer and Peck move on i will be worried, especially if he is sacked by Christmas and all new boss comes in with a poor squad. Rather clear the lot out now.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Remind me how his tenure panned out?

As a statement of the obvious it was a dark cloud that passed over MU, and for anyone to imagine they could replicate Ferguson's role would have been deluded. One of the toughest jobs to address in British, if not european, football. Imagine how many names have come unstuck in that role since Ferguson's departure.

 

[UTB Blade]

Slightly bizarre OP. By that criteria Man Utd would never have appointed Moyes as Ferguson's successor.

Change happens, and often players, staff, and supporters have to adapt. What I did find puzzling was that by celebrating that list
of Wilder's achievements it omitted anything that could be construed as a negative, buying Cannon for example. Don't get me wrong, under Wilder the Blades have had some wonderful moments, none more so than the team of Coutts, Duffy, Fleck, JOC, Basham etc, but whilst I loved what Wilder has done with the Blades I also recognise that change is sometimes an inevitability.

Who knows if a new appointment will improve us? But I believe that not considering the possibility is to blindly embrace the past no matter what is happening to SUFC.

"Don't get me wrong, under Wilder the Blades have had some wonderful moments..... Who knows if a new appointment will improve us."

I mean, this is ludicrous - if we don't know whether a new appointment will improve us, what the hell are we doing it for?

Why on earth are we contemplating swapping a manager who you freely admit has given us some wonderful moments, for someone who might be utter shit.

As I said in the OP, if we can find someone who we can be reasonably confident will be better than Wilder, then let's consider it.

But it seems many on here just want to make change for change's sake, rather than making a change for the better, which is just daft.

 

[Shadota]

When I heard an absolute tit on Wembley Way, yesterday after the match, seriously telling a Sunderland fan that we would be better off with Röhl - who won 15 matches, accumulated 58 points, and finished in 12th last season - than Wilder - who won 28, accumulated 92, and finished 3rd - I thought that would be the most ridiculous manager suggestion I would hear this weekend. But you've certainly topped it, by suggesting the only one of the four Championship play off managers to get his arse spanked 6-0.

If you genuinely think a manager who accumulated 68 points in the Championship last season, is a better manager than one who accumulated 92 points, in the same division in the same season, and then got his arse spanked 6-0 aggregate by the 92 point manager , then there doesn't seem much point in discussing managers with you. You clearly prefer losers to winners, and that's not my mindset.

Fair play, though. Your: 'I'm an advocate for the manager who got his arse spanked 6-0, and who I freely admit certainly came off 2nd best to the manager I want to sack' will keep me amused for some time.

Comical, narrow-minded approach.

Manning got his team to the same point in the season as us, with a smaller budget, smaller squad, and definitively overall less valuable squad.

When he went into Bristol City, they were bottom half of the Championship, and had lost 5 of their previous 7 games. In the space of 18 months, he has gotten them to a point of having a shot at promotion to the Premier League.

You scoff at the 6-0 playoff scoreline, forgetting that at the point of the tie-changing moment, the red card and penalty award at the end of the first half, the score was 0-0 and highly in the balance. You forget that in the regular season, we were scraping a draw at Ashton Gate until they had a man sent off, at which point we were able to push on and get the win. You apparently easily forget that we were comfortably second best to them in the home fixture, when they got a thoroughly deserved equaliser. And you forget that in the home leg of the playoffs, we got to play a side without its strongest centre back (Dickie), one of its strongest midfielders (Williams, who hit the bar in the first leg), and with the luxury of being able to suckered punch them almost at will, given that they had to chase the game from 3 goals behind.

The finality with which you condemn my suggestion, and the supporting factors you give to do so, suggest that you do nothing but look at the league table to determine what makes a manager good or bad. Which is quite sad, in my opinion.

Southampton have just hired Will Still. A man who, by your apparent standards, is not good enough to polish Wilder's boots. But I'd be pretty confident in saying that if Wilder stays, and continues to play the way we've played this season, Southampton will wipe the floor with us next year.

Wilder this year has often seemed afraid to go for the jugular, to kill games off, while netting a hatful of goals. He's seemingly preferred to play it safe, and sneak wins, while occasionally getting the luxury of an extra goal to put the result out of our opponent's reach. That is just depressing to watch for me.

I want to go to a United game and enjoy being there. I want to walk out at full time with a smile on my face, having seen us win the game, and play entertaining football. Watching us pack our own half for the whole 2nd half while leading 1-0, is absolutely not that.

If you want to disregard Manning so wholeheartedly, be my guest. But bear in mind that, despite all those extra points, and despite that 6-0 aggregate victory, Wilder, just like Manning, has won fuck all this season. And the fact that he has done so, in spite of all the tools he has available to him, is not acceptable.

 

[itsinyerblood]

"Don't get me wrong, under Wilder the Blades have had some wonderful moments..... Who knows if a new appointment will improve us."

I mean, this is ludicrous - if we don't know whether a new appointment will improve us, what the hell are we doing it for?

Why on earth are we contemplating swapping a manager who you freely admit has given us some wonderful moments, for someone who might be utter shit.

As I said in the OP, if we can find someone who we can be reasonably confident will be better than Wilder, then let's consider it.

But it seems many on here just want to make change for change's sake, rather than making a change for the better, which is just daft.

You're either choosing to misread my comments or failing to see beyond your own limitations.

Firstly, no one will realistically know what a new appointment will bring to this club. All the fine words at interview stage will vanish
if there's no visible sign of progress within 2-6 months. I'm sure David Weir sold himself to the board as the man capable of delivering success but we all know how that turned out.

I never suggested swapping managers for the sake of doing so, but to tactically to insist on Robinson's inclusion, to play Hamer out of position, to even consider BBD when he was clearly not able, these are some of the tactical failings that need to be discussed if a healthy
decision is reached about retaining Wilder or allowing someone else to take over.

Past achievements only take any manager so far, once that is exhausted then the reality of what's needed cannot be avoided.

 

[Cheesebored]

It's been a par season that's ultimately a failure.

You're right that it's ultimately been a failure but if 90 odd points is a par performance you must be some golfer.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Using the same selection methodology, we wouldn’t have replaced Adkins with Wilder.

 

[Carlton Blade]

You're right that it's ultimately been a failure but if 90 odd points is a par performance you must be some golfer.

3rd, with the 3rd biggest budget. Played the rest of the top 4 7 times.1 win, 6 defeats. 5 scored, 14 conceded. Par might be slightly generous.

 

[robbiez666]

Using the same selection methodology, we wouldn’t have replaced Adkins with Wilder.

Using the same logic we'd replace Wilder with Adkins as the latter has a better record!

 

[UTB Blade]

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this

This is the fundamental flaw in your reasoning. The next manager doesn’t have to have a better record than Wilder. As of today, his record doesn’t count for much, it’s in the past. Iraola at Bournemouth doesn’t have Wilder’s record but there’gs no doubt he’s a far superior manager, as is Glasner at Palace. Well done Regis Le Bris, he certainly outperformed Wilder this season with an inferior squad & budget.

What the next manager needs is the ability to drag this club forwards into the modern era and develop a much healthier and forward looking culture, getting rid of the parochialism that holds us back. And there will be loads of candidates out there.

I get that some of our fans shit themselves at the thought of change, but we won’t progress without it.

That's not my reasoning - that was me paraphrasing what I've read on here, or heard elsewhere, from many who want to replace Wilder. (I thought I'd put that bit in italics to make it clear, but must have overlooked italicizing it.) This thread was me challenging those who think we can get someone with a better record than Wilder, to come up with some names.

Spot on. The OP probably thought he was being quite clever but only succeeded in demonstrating a lack of critical thinking.

If you want to insult me by accusing me of a lack of critical thinking, at least have the decency to address it to me personally, instead of making a snide dig about me to another poster. I have never addressed anything to you or about you on this forum with anything other than respect, as I believe is the convention on this forum. Please have the courtesy to do likewise.

 

[Blade56]

I've lost count of the number of threads on here calling for Wilder's head, with numerous posters demanding someone 'better', but I've yet to see a single suggestion of a better manager who we could realistically get.

So here's a thread for those who want rid of Wilder to name names.

Remember, in order to have a better record than Wilder, the proposed new manager would have to have a better record than this:

• Won promotion from all EFL divisions (Wilder's record: won promotion from League Two with Northampton, won promotion from League One with us, won promotion from the Championship with us).

• Won at least one EFL League with 99 points (Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton)

• Won at least one EFL League with 100 points (Wilder's record: won League One with 100 points with us)

• Won promotion from the Championship with at least 89 points (Wilder's record: won promotion from the Championship with 89 points with us)

• Accumulated at least 92 points in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: accumulated 92 points in the Championship in one season with us)

• Won at least 28 matches in the Championship in one season (Wilder's record: won 28 matches in the Championship in one season with us)

• Achieved at least a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League (Wilder's record: achieved a ninth place finishing position in the Premier League with us)

• Won the LMA Manager of the Year Award at least once (Wilder's record: won the LMA Manager of the Year Award with us)

If anyone can suggest a manager who has achieved all of the achievements listed above, and more, this thread is your opportunity to name them.

As it seems unfair to ask others to name names without having a go at it myself, I've had a good think about this, and here is my list of all the managers I can think of with a better record than Wilder, who we could realistically get:
























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FFS it’s not about Wilder and his feckin achievements, it’s about Sheffield United FC, we want better, modern today football and achievements not a history lesson, you can’t change what’s happed but you can make changes to has yet to happen.

I get it he’s a great bloke, one of us, etc. But he’s not the man to take us into a new era, just and old one.

I’m a SUFC supporter not a Wilder fan boy

 

[Wilderat Heart]

I like Chris and recognize his achievements, look at my user name. But I think mistakes have been made as the season has progressed. Mistakes were made at Wembley. If we start badly next season I fear it could soon become toxic. If he stays fine this summers transfer window will be a huge indicator for me of the owners ambition but also of how much trust they actually have in Wilder. I genuinely don't see a style of football better than some managers criticized in this posting. It feels to me recently we have two tactics give it to Hamer and hope he makes something happen, or hit it long to Moore and play for knock ons. Sunderland yesterday understood their game plan, adjusted it at half time, pushed us back and were always a threat. Wilder had chances in the second half to do the same before we lost Hamer and Anel. Peck was poor perhaps a bit overwhelmed by the occasion, Davies should have come on earlier. None of his other subs improved us Seriki instead of Holding felt bizarre. If we had won yesterday it was because we had better players, which we did, injuries were hugely costly but fitness feels like an issue and that's down to Chris's team. 92 points is an achievement, but too many of those games we left thinking well we got away with that. Right now I'm on the fence about whether to keep him or make a change. I would like a forward thinking adventurous coach with a clear style of play. Wilder was that but if I was a board member I would want to be convinced early on this close season that he can be that again. Or I would look to replace him with someone who would then have a chance to buy players that would suit their system, whatever it might be.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Everyone will say Steve Cooper, but they’ll be the same people who think signing ex-players is a good idea.

The answer to the OP is that if our owners are serious about owning a football club they need to look outside the obvious candidates.

All managers started somewhere, Wilder just likes telling us that he’s managed over a thousand games and how good he is, some people obviously believe it. He’s a busted flush and hasn’t done anything of note since our first PL season under him.

We need to move on and find someone who might think a little differently and move us into the modern football era.

I have no idea who it is, most likely someone I’ve never heard of and certainly not Cooper or Dyche or other such bland managers.

Jokanovic didn’t work out in the 6 months we gave him so everyone assumes we shouldn’t try something different again, this mentality will always hold us back.

 

[UTB Blade]

This is a ridiculous post.

Wilder didn't have any of the achievements you list when we first appointed him, ...
This just sounds like the memes you see about job adverts requiring a degree and 10+ years experience for an entry-level role.

You accuse my post of being ridiculous, then come out with this nonsense.

The position of first team manager at Sheffield United is not an entry-level role, or it shouldn't be.

Sheffield United is a decent sized, well-established, professional football club that has spent the vast majority of its existence in the top two flights of English football, and the role of first team manager at a club such as ours is a senior position. Any discussion of the position of first team manager, therefore, needs to take account of the seniority of the position, which makes your entry-level role 'quip' a nonsensical irrelevance.

As for your: "Wilder didn't have any of the achievements you list when we first appointed him." The second item on my list clearly states: "Wilder's record: won League Two with 99 points with Northampton." If you're going to accuse someone else's post of being ridiculous, at least get your facts right.

 

[Blade56]

I wish I were Chris Wilder.

I've done well in my studies and career in the past, but I can only dream of achieving the level of success, and gaining the accolades, that Wilder has, at the elite level he's done it.

That's why it makes me so sad to see the way he's being treated by many supposed supporters of this club now. He's a winner, with a fantastic record that most football managers would be proud of. One frustrating and disappointing play off final loss doesn't change that.

He doesn't deserve the level of disrespect that's being aimed at him at the moment. It's not on.

We didn’t deserve the lack of respect when he pocketed a wedge and left via back door, a promise he made never to do