For those saying leave pembo where he is....

[Highbury_Blade]

Have you considered that his stock is probably rather high at the moment?

If he's got 1st team managerial ambitions then we'll probably lose him anyway.

 

[BladeInBC]

I agree. However, am I right in thinking that besides the cup run, the youngsters really didn't do that well in the league??

And I don't mean that to be a slight on anyone. I am very proud of the kids and what Pembo has achieved with them... and the style of football they play.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

.....and if we give him the job and he does well, we'll probably lose him anyway

.....and if we give him the job and he does poorly, we'll probably lose him anyway

 

[Highbury_Blade]

a).....and if we give him the job and he does well, we'll probably lose him anyway

B).....and if we give him the job and he does poorly, we'll probably lose him anyway

A)....What a ridiculous argument for not giving someone a job.


B)...You can say the same about any appointment.


My point being, is that if the only reason people don't want to give him the managerial job is because he's doing a great job with the academy, i think that's a bit short-sighted.

 

[SwissBlade]

I agree with your thoughts Highbury, but i want to see Pembo continue to build his legacy in the Youth set up.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

A)....What a ridiculous argument for not giving someone a job.

B)...You can say the same about any appointment.


My point being, is that if the only reason people don't want to give him the managerial job is because he's doing a great job with the academy, i think that's a bit short-sighted.

Have you considered that his stock is probably rather high at the moment?

If he's got 1st team managerial ambitions then we'll probably lose him anyway.

What a ridiculous argument for giving someone a job

 

[Highbury_Blade]

What a ridiculous argument for giving someone a job

Didn't bother to read this bit then?

My point being, is that if the only reason people don't want to give him the managerial job is because he's doing a great job with the academy, i think that's a bit short-sighted.

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I agree with your thoughts Highbury, but i want to see Pembo continue to build his legacy in the Youth set up.

He's probably hot property right now. He may see his legacy building ambitions lying elsewhere. I guess we'll find out on Tuesday.

 

[SwissBlade]

You maybe right Highbury. And based on this years cup run he's defo getting the media attention. I just think we need to keep him where he is for some time longer and get the best out of his skills in the academy

 

[Zlatan]

I agree. However, am I right in thinking that besides the cup run, the youngsters really didn't do that well in the league??

We came second in the academy league, and the only reason we did was through resting players for league games to keep them fresh for the FA Youth Cup.

Plus towards the end of the season the likes of Maguire etc were pinched for the first team.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Didn't bother to read this bit then?

Sure did! You've missed my point. We might lose him under any scenario. It therefore seems irrelevant when considering him for he post. Success will generate interest no matter what it is he's doing. Perhaps he does have ambitions to be a first team manager. If he does those ambitions probably extend beyond SUFC. Hypothetical future interest from elsewhere should have no bearing on this appointment and he should be appointed on merit only, if he is the right man.

I just dont see how the possibility him moving on is relevant. I seem to remember a few people saying the same about Gary Speed.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

You can lose any manager under any scenario, my point was that if people feel he's the best realistic candidate for the 1st team job, then keeping him in situ, just because he's doing a good job for the academy seems a bit daft.

And unlike Gary Speed he at least has some managerial experience. I believe he had a 100% win record as caretaker boss of forest

 

[SteelCity Blade]

You can lose any manager under any scenario, my point was that if people feel he's the best realistic candidate for the 1st team job, then keeping him in situ, just because he's doing a good job for the academy seems a bit daft.

And unlike Gary Speed he at least has some managerial experience. I believe he had a 100% win record as caretaker boss of forest

I agree that if he is the best candidate then he should be appointed but if it has a detrimental effect on the academy then he's not the right appointment IMO. We might not be able to get a replacement as good as him. The academy is going to be critical to us and Pembo's influence there is needed a long as possible. If we have a good replacement lined up then I'm all for it! He would certainly be my choice after RDM.

I just think that if the man was brought in to develop a legacy of youth development, then surely that is what he should be doing long term? Or are we proposing to wipe the slate clean from top to bottom. The academy is the only thing that's working!

 

[BladeInBC]

We came second in the academy league, and the only reason we did was through resting players for league games to keep them fresh for the FA Youth Cup.

Plus towards the end of the season the likes of Maguire etc were pinched for the first team.

I did try and check the league table but couldn't find it on the OS. I just remembered a lot of draws and some proper beatings towards the end of the season. Thanks for putting me right.

 

[MunXy]

question, has pembo got a number 2 with the youth squad, is so is it not possible to promote pembo to first team supremo and the number 2 to full control of youth development thereby appeasing most people who want a decent footballing manager, continuity with youth team plus a very important connection between the two?
would this not only be the cheap option BUT also a very good option to continue youth development and inside knowledge kinda like the liverpool of old, promotion from within grooming managers thru reserve and youth squad thereby allowing future managers to prove thier worth before taking over?

MunXy

 

[ghandi]

question, has pembo got a number 2 with the youth squad, is so is it not possible to promote pembo to first team supremo and the number 2 to full control of youth development thereby appeasing most people who want a decent footballing manager, continuity with youth team plus a very important connection between the two?
would this not only be the cheap option BUT also a very good option to continue youth development and inside knowledge kinda like the liverpool of old, promotion from within grooming managers thru reserve and youth squad thereby allowing future managers to prove thier worth before taking over?

MunXy

No ...The No 2 is Mark Smith who was Blackwell's choice for the job but thankfully the one good thing Birch did was appointed who he thought was the best person for the job not because he was Blackwell's mate. He's No2 only because he was acting head of Academy prior to Pembo's arrival.

 

[frechyblade]

No ...The No 2 is Mark Smith who was Blackwell's choice for the job but thankfully the one good thing Birch did was appointed who he thought was the best person for the job not because he was Blackwell's mate. He's No2 only because he was acting head of Academy prior to Pembo's arrival.

Don't think Mark Smith has anything to do with the academy, solely in charge of the development squad, pembo and Mark Smith don't particularly see eye to eye.

UTB

 

[SotonBlade]

I don't want him in the job because he has no experience whatsoever in managing any first team at a professional level.

 

[beechblade]

I don't want him in the job because he has no experience whatsoever in managing any first team at a professional level.

He has been the caretaker of Forest for 2 games and has an 100% record. Also manages the Academy so its wrong to say he doesn't have experience it's just very limited experience.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Turning it round a little bit then.

For those who want Pembo, how do you see the business side, wages, first team player scouting, transfers etc being handled?

We're now without Birch and much football 'nous' above the manager level (no disputing that Birch's decisions cost us BTW). It's primed for someone to sit above someone so inexperienced as Pembo just to allow that side of things to be run, personally I think it'll be too much on Pembo's plate to expect him to be up to speed (no pun intended) from day 1.

Main candidate for someone in that role seem to be Paul Hart who Pembo knows well, but who most Blades seem vehemently against. What about Bassett? Anyone else?

 

[SotonBlade]

He has been the caretaker of Forest for 2 games and has an 100% record. Also manages the Academy so its wrong to say he doesn't have experience it's just very limited experience.

Extremely limited. Especially when McCae came out and said he wanted someone with experience of the League.

 

[beechblade]

Turning it round a little bit then.

For those who want Pembo, how do you see the business side, wages, first team player scouting, transfers etc being handled?

We're now without Birch and much football 'nous' above the manager level (no disputing that Birch's decisions cost us BTW). It's primed for someone to sit above someone so inexperienced as Pembo just to allow that side of things to be run, personally I think it'll be too much on Pembo's plate to expect him to be up to speed (no pun intended) from day 1.

Main candidate for someone in that role seem to be Paul Hart who Pembo knows well, but who most Blades seem vehemently against. What about Bassett? Anyone else?

Isn't Bassett still staying in the consultancy role? I think McCabe said he was, for the time being, maybe a move up as director of football.

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Extremely limited. Especially when McCae came out and said he wanted someone with experience of the League.

I agree, which is why he wouldn't be my first choice. I also believe he enjoys the role he has at the club, so don't think it will be him, but in truth Soton over some of the candidates being mentioned I'd rather it be him.

 

[SotonBlade]

I agree, which is why he wouldn't be my first choice. I also believe he enjoys the role he has at the club, so don't think it will be him, but in truth Soton over some of the candidates being mentioned I'd rather it be him.

Agree in that respect. It was reported last week that there was a shortlist of 12! I'd get that down to 3 or 4 and approach them in order. By all means speak to all 12, but then get it shortened down. Then properly interview the 3 or 4.

As i've said before, i'd have a list of Di Matteo, Robins and Hill

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

If playing a passing game is one of the main criteria attached to the appointment, I surprised the name Tony Mowbray hasn't cropped up! Not that he'd come, like!

 

[BladeHearts]

If playing a passing game is one of the main criteria attached to the appointment, I surprised the name Tony Mowbray hasn't cropped up! Not that he'd come, like!

Given he's doing his dream job, in his hometown, in a higher division I am not surprised his name hasnt come up.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Given he's doing his dream job, in his hometown, in a higher division I am not surprised his name hasnt come up.

Aye, but when did logic like that ever come into play on here when we need a new manager?

And he did come close to making the same car crash of his dream job that another manager did. Recovered well though, unlike the other guy whose name escapes me...........