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Manuel Pellegrini said that West Ham won't be making any new signings in January, adding: "We have injured players coming back and they will help us in some positions.

"We have Ryan Fredericks back and Manuel Lanzini can be available in three weeks or one month more and he is a very important player.

"The other players I cannot say exactly when they will be back, but it will not be less than one month."
 
Bit of a weird one. Fleck's not been playing at his best for a while and it's hard to see how he gets regular game time at West Ham. Could well play for their reserves and then get loaned back to the Championship.
Hard to see even this dysfunctional board selling at this point in the season but maybe the Brooks money has run out for the running costs.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Trying to put a value on him is subjective and largely irrelevant. What's more important is the timing and if/how he'd be replaced and critically, whether it is sanctioned by CW. Unless this has been dragging on for a while and CW has someone lined up, I just hope it is a load of rubbish and at worst agent/journo talk.

If he did go there is nobody in the squad that could cover his role (Lundstram is miles away) and a replacement would definitely be required. A sale with no replacement would be a major risk to the chances of top 2 and possibly top 6.
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100% this.
We could get 50 million for him, the fact that we won't spend it all on a replacement anyway, let alone the fact that there are DAYS remaining in the window and we are within touching distance of the top 2, makes his value irrelevant.
 
Gimli said:
Well there we are then, let’s not sell him - he’s worth more to us than he is to anyone else
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Think that’s a very important point. What for example would Basham attract in terms of a transfer fee? I don’t think it would be as high as Norwood’s fee, so maybe £1.5m? He’s in a really key position for our system though, and has attributes that your usual centre-half probably wouldn’t. His value to the team is almost certainly higher than what he’d command in the transfer market. If £4m is as much as we could fetch for Fleck I’d say the same is true of him.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
Had his best season last year playing every game for fulham who were probably one of the best teams along with wolves to ever play in the champioship
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Yes, he had top quality all around him. Different ball game at United and now over 30. I'd take him on a free.
 
LJBlade said:
Why do we ‘need’ that? Is rejecting the bid not enough for you?

Some of the reaction on here to something that might never actually happen is fucking pathetic.
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Like we rejected the Maguire bid. but then caved last minute to virtually the same offer?

Our history with these things is why the reaction comes out, it’s hardly surprising is it?
 
Maidenhead said:
Would you like to work for an employer that treated you as if you were just a piece of meat?

If you were an agent would you recommend your clients to sign for a club that is likely to block your career progression?

It's ok playing hardball but in the long term no one wins.

You're likely to see a diminished performance from the player and have an agent advising all his clients that you want to sign in the future to look elsewhere if they want to have a positive career progression.

Football is a small world and players talk to each other about their clubs all the time.

At the moment we have a good reputation and that enables us to sign players that we may not otherwise be able to do, maybe Madine and Norwood for two.

Players want to come here, but start not looking after them properly and that will soon change.

That's why Wilder always says that if a player doesn't want to be here then they can go.

There's always a bigger picture and one player doesn't make a team no matter how good they are.

The fees are a simply a matter of supply and demand and should only be of interest to the club's money men, which as far as I know, none of us are.
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Firstly, a football player doesn't have a gun to his head when he signs a contract; it's a voluntary agreement between two or more parties.The football player isn't a piece of meat, but neither is the chairman and manager who said player has voluntarily come into this agreement with. They are trying to progress their careers and football club, too; why should a football player be able to end the voluntary agreement that he has signed - just because the grass is a bit greener? I mean, if you use that logic we may as well just let every asset leave for 50p a week more than United can pay them on free transfers. The player can then receive extra wages in lieu of the transfer fee the club could've received. Football players will adore Sheffield United then.
Players want to come here for filthy lucre. Any other view is naive, unless we think our players are here in spite of big financial offers they turned down elsewhere? A players valuation is completely dependent on the asking price of the selling club and said player's importance to that club. Fees will always be of interest to football supporters, as we are interested in building a better team/squad and seeing us progress. Clubs don't always get it right either. Many players are undersold or oversold.
Where I do agree with you is that no one player makes a team. I'm also not bothered if any player leaves, ever. Even Tony Currie. What I am bothered about is United giving their financial assets away for relative peanuts. Many laughed at me when I told them we were underselling Adams, Walker, Maguire, Brooks, Calvert Lewin, Lowton etc. .So in summary: Fleck can leave if we can strengthen in two or three areas with similar or better quality, with the proceeds. If not, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
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Harry's Game said:
Like we rejected the Maguire bid. but then caved last minute to virtually the same offer?

Our history with these things is why the reaction comes out, it’s hardly surprising is it?
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This is it, to my knowledge (and history of us from about 1997) there is only JOC that we have kept after bids have been received.

If Fleck picks his game up and impresses for the rest of the season he’ll still be wanted and can leave then (if that’s what he wants), from the boards point of view he’s still an asset at the end of the season and can be sold then.
 
Harry's Game said:
Like we rejected the Maguire bid. but then caved last minute to virtually the same offer?

Our history with these things is why the reaction comes out, it’s hardly surprising is it?
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But if it happens then it happens. We don’t ‘need’ the manager or player to come out and tell us anything. We’re grown up adults, not children. In a few days time you’ll know either way anyway.
 
Rob86 said:
This is it, to my knowledge (and history of us from about 1997) there is only JOC that we have kept after bids have been received.

If Fleck picks his game up and impresses for the rest of the season he’ll still be wanted and can leave then (if that’s what he wants), from the boards point of view he’s still an asset at the end of the season and can be sold then.
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Just because you don’t hear about certain bids it doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
 
LJBlade said:
Just because you don’t hear about certain bids it doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
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Tis true, but there's not many bids if any at all at the top level that occur without being reported.

Nobody ever releases a statement saying they've signed x player without any knowledge or a bid, or a medical being disclosed to the public eye.
 
4m seems a bit low but we definitely need to upgrade on fleck ,he's just looked physically out of his depth this season and apart from the odd flash has looked lacking in confidence on the ball
 
LJBlade said:
Just because you don’t hear about certain bids it doesn’t mean they don’t happen.
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Ok fair enough that is true, we always have targets that don’t come off so I guess the same is true for our players.

Even so, just take the publicised bids then. Other than JOC who have we kept hold of ?

I’m not saying we will end up selling Fleck but it’s reasonable to assume we might given our past. Our stance with JOC does give me some hope though.
 
Booker4 said:
So are you saying he didn't have a release clause mate? I might have misunderstood your message here.
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Sorry mate missed a couple of words out.

The club was financially crippled at the time we signed him and couldn't offer him a proper contract with a competitive wage. By the time he left, unfortunately we hadn't upgraded his contract and removed the release clause.
 
Didn't someone bid on Leon last January? Kept him.
 
Just seen on Facebook that apparently wet sham have made a 4 million pound bid for fleck?/.
Surely we can’t sell him for 2 reasons?.
(1) the bid is too small and we should be looking at nearer 10 million!.
(2) it would be complete and utter nonsense to sell him given our current situation?.
 

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