Fleck

[nopigfansintown]

Shammers should be on a black list of clubs we aren’t prepared to do business with, given that they cheated us out of a place in the Premier League.

Surely McCabe remembers suing the twats?

United were on the verge of signing a West Ham kid on loan last January, until the agent messed it up. There's a video somewhere.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

If the fee is that low surely we have a player or something in exchange too. if it's just the 4m that is a joke

 

[Davalon]

When the big clubs come knocking etc etc etc......

Just ask Southend and Peterborough.

 

[Maidenhead]

Such as? I still think you buy footballers for the lowest price possible and sell them, at the opportune moment, for the best price possible. Without sentiment, and as often as possible at a time convenient to your football club.

Would you like to work for an employer that treated you as if you were just a piece of meat?

If you were an agent would you recommend your clients to sign for a club that is likely to block your career progression?

It's ok playing hardball but in the long term no one wins.

You're likely to see a diminished performance from the player and have an agent advising all his clients that you want to sign in the future to look elsewhere if they want to have a positive career progression.

Football is a small world and players talk to each other about their clubs all the time.

At the moment we have a good reputation and that enables us to sign players that we may not otherwise be able to do, maybe Madine and Norwood for two.

Players want to come here, but start not looking after them properly and that will soon change.

That's why Wilder always says that if a player doesn't want to be here then they can go.

There's always a bigger picture and one player doesn't make a team no matter how good they are.

The fees are a simply a matter of supply and demand and should only be of interest to the club's money men, which as far as I know, none of us are.

 

[BLADES1988]

United were on the verge of signing a West Ham kid on loan last January, until the agent messed it up. There's a video somewhere.

Wernt it Domingos Quina from Watford? im sure he's been in the first team since and played decent, sure hes even scored.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Was it Fleck who danced the Lambeth walk when we did West Ham at their ground on penalties?

That was Doyle

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Just because Fleck is integral to us doesn't mean he's worth more money to a potential suitor. As I keep saying, name any other player of his age and experience who has gone for the kind of money people are saying he's worth ?

He might only be worth 4m to West Ham, I don't think that's the point.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Fulham were turning down 20 million for Cairney and 30 million for Sessegnon. Watford were turning down 10 million plus for Hughes before he broke his leg. Wednesday have turned down fees in the region of 10 million for Bannan.

I haven’t heard that about Bannan, but the rest are all much better players with far more potential than Fleck in my opinion. Ryan Woods went to Stoke for £6-7m, a better player than Fleck.

Again, I’m not advocating selling him his value to us is great. But if we are discussing his market value, especially given his relatively average form this year - then I would say that £6m mark is about where it’s at.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

United were on the verge of signing a West Ham kid on loan last January, until the agent messed it up. There's a video somewhere.

Do you mean last season when they filmed Tufty on deadline day ? Think it was Watford not Wham.

 

[LS16Blade]

James Maddison £25m, Grealish valued at £30m plus. Flecks market value is £4m. What fckin planet are some of our fans on. Despite recent form Fleck has a season and a half experience playing in a top end championship team. Thats more than Maddison had before he moved. Fleck's still on a long contract. Nothing short of £10m should be entertained unless we have shot ourselves in the foot and agreed a release clause. If we have then we only have ourselves to blame and the usual off field incompetence prevails at the Lane.

Quite.

In the 1970's, 80's and 90's, we used to ridicule Barnsley for living in 'the land that time forgot'. It seems that these days, a similar jibe could be levelled at some Blades fans.

For top flight clubs £4m is an irrelevance. I heard a discussion on the radio last week, in which journalists stated that Premier League clubs regard spending anything up to £10m in the same way as they would have regarded spending £100k, 5 years ago. Essentially, for the majority of them, it's just 'a punt'; and it doesn't even have to come off because as soon as they drop the player into their squad and he 'becomes a Premier League player', then his value invariably goes up immediately anyway, whether he performs or not.

And people really shouldn't use a supposed dip in form over a couple of months as the measure for valuing our players. We're terrible for doing that at the Lane; the club has done it for years to undervalue its assets. For instance, Eddie Howe has openly stated that that is how he got Brooks at the price he did.

The player that performs at the top of his form every single game hasn't been born. For some reason, though, because we see our own players every week, good and bad, we (Directors and supporters) tend to under-rate them whilst assuming that opposition players who we only see in highlights clips, are all better players.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

He might only be worth 4m to West Ham, I don't think that's the point.

It is though because a player is only 'worth' what someone is willing to pay.

 

[DazBlade88]

Wernt it Domingos Quina from Watford? im sure he's been in the first team since and played decent, sure hes even scored.

It was Dom Quina, but he was at West Ham at the time. Watford signed him from West Ham.

 

[Rusty view]

Just come out of a 3 hr meeting and catching up.

Fuckety fuck.

If he goes then this for me is a board decision. A decision which probably at this time of the season sums up the boards ambitions.

Those ambitions will not be on the level of Wilders, nor the ambitions he's asked for from the club.

I hope I'm 2+2=5

 

[Ricky]

Quite.

In the 1970's, 80's and 90's, we used to ridicule Barnsley for living in 'the land that time forgot'. It seems that these days, a similar jibe could be levelled at some Blades fans.

For top flight clubs £4m is an irrelevance. I heard a discussion on the radio last week, in which journalists stated that Premier League clubs regard spending anything up to £10m in the same way as they would have regarded spending £100k, 5 years ago. Essentially, for the majority of them, it's just 'a punt'; and it doesn't even have to come off because as soon as they drop the player into their squad and he 'becomes a Premier League player', then his value invariably goes up immediately anyway, whether he performs or not.

And people really shouldn't use a supposed dip in form over a couple of months as the measure for valuing our players. We're terrible for doing that at the Lane; the club has done it for years to undervalue its assets. For instance, Eddie Howe has openly stated that that is how he got Brooks at the price he did.

The player that performs at the top of his form every single game hasn't been born. For some reason, though, because we see our own players every week, good and bad, we (Directors and supporters) tend to under-rate them whilst assuming that opposition players who we only see in highlights clips, are all better players.

Bang on.

If Fleck reproduces the February to May he had last season, what would his value be? What would someone pay? £7-8m minimum. But now he's been less than shit hot for a while we can get the excuses in early just in case....

 

[GroovyBrad]

Snodgrass on loan til the end of the season part of the deal? Can he play centrally?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It was Dom Quina, but he was at West Ham at the time. Watford signed him from West Ham.

Jerome Sinclair was the one involved on deadline day from Watford. Along with Devante Cole remember him

 

[Dnblade]

Are West Ham trying to derail our promotion push in revenge for being shown up for cheating over Tevez?...Nah,more like bullshit i think,but as long as we got a better replacement,then I can live with it,and I am a big Fleck fan.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Has anyone asked if Fleck has a £4m buy out in his contract?

£4m seems too low for us to even consider, unless it's in his contract

UTB

 

[Davalon]

It is though because a player is only 'worth' what someone is willing to pay.

Only if you want to, or need to sell.

If not, we can set the price at what we believe is fair, notwithstanding paltry release clauses.

 

[Gimli]

Just because Fleck is integral to us doesn't mean he's worth more money to a potential suitor. As I keep saying, name any other player of his age and experience who has gone for the kind of money people are saying he's worth ?

Well there we are then, let’s not sell him - he’s worth more to us than he is to anyone else

 

[BLADES1988]

Do you mean last season when they filmed Tufty on deadline day ? Think it was Watford not Wham.

Think it was Sinclair from London Border Yellows and Quina from Soggy Spam

 

[DazBlade88]

Has anyone asked if Fleck has a £4m buy out in his contract?

£4m seems too low for us to even consider, unless it's in his contract

UTB

He doesn't have a release clause

 

[GamblingBlade]

Imo, either:

Fleck has a release clause
CW has a replacement lined up
The board have made the decision regardless

I know for fact that United have been watching Will Vaulks at Rotherham ....

Not at all ITK however about whether this would be the replacement lined up in the event of Fleck going

 

[Torrix1889]

He doesn't have a release clause

How do you know that?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

He doesn't have a release clause

thanks - that's good - then not convinced CW would allow this for £4m - something doesn't smell right here.

UTB

 

[ThatJa]

How do you know that?

Well, he used to be official researcher for FM so I guess he'd probably know as those need to be included in FM. FM is really accurate with that sort of information.

 

[Davalon]

I know for fact that United have been watching Will Vaulks at Rotherham ....

Not at all ITK however about whether this would be the replacement lined up in the event of Fleck going

I've seen it mentioned one or two places about our interest over recent weeks.

Having seen WV play a few times my shoulders would droop massively if this is what happens if Fleck goes.

 

[Booker4]

I know for fact that United have been watching Will Vaulks at Rotherham ....

Not at all ITK however about whether this would be the replacement lined up in the event of Fleck going

He would seem a decent replacement but saying that I haven't seen much of him. He scores goals which is a bonus!

 

[DazBlade88]

How do you know that?

Reliable sources

 

[Booker4]

The club was financially crippled at the time we signed him and couldn't offer him a proper contract with a competitive wage. By the time he left we unfortunately upgraded his contract and remove that release clause.

So are you saying he didn't have a release clause mate? I might have misunderstood your message here.