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You have to compete. Do you not think we are outmuscled constantly? Big fellas can play as well. The Arsenal Invincibles were the finest footballers I have seen in English football for many years. There were also giants, not least the heart of the team Vieira and Petit. Both well over six feet and both physical. It's not one or the other. I have not seen the Fleck of whom you speak I'm afraid. If I do, I shall gladly change my view.

My views will never be conditioned by what other teams' fans think though. If I applied that to S2 I would become a devotee of ugly, outdated pub standard anti-football and that ain't happening any time soon...
We rolled over and died in cm most games last season. Fleck may not be a giant but is strong and not shy of a tackle, whilst he lacks in height he has bottle something most of our team last season can only dream about. Agree regarding arsenal but unfortunately, we are where we are and i dont think pogba fancies the move at the minute, so for us fleck will have to do. I do hope fleck wins you over with his performances because that will mean we will be having a good season. I do really see him as key player if he plays well others can feed off him. As for your last paragraph your obsession with hight had me doubting,weather or not you were questioning your own philosophy regarding the beautiful game. Just for a split second I thought you was going to start advocating the grand old hoof and sir dave, but it seems I should not be worried.
 

For the record, if he signs, I'll be fully behind him, but I take issue with these two points.

Firstly I don't think his work rate is second to none. In the games I've seen him he does get stuck in and chase, but not in the manner your implying: based on what I've seen he doesn't have the stamina for that.

Secondly, in regards to his goals from midfield: he's played over 200 career games, and has a grand total of 10 goals. This averages about 2 a season: hardly prolific.
I agree, those points are a bit over exaggerated.

But there's no doubt this would be a fantastic signing. A deep lying playmaker who is capable of dictating the game to the pace we want to play at and quite frankly running it. Exactly what we need alongside Basham, this will bring him on leaps and bounds as much as anything.
 
What a good player who gets hounded out by our knowledgeable fan base only to go on to play in the premier league ?

No, a player who can't do anything aside from play 10 yard passes in his own half.

Britton is the most overrated player of the century. If you left him out of the team you wouldn't notice he wasn't there.
 
No, a player who can't do anything aside from play 10 yard passes in his own half.

Britton is the most overrated player of the century. If you left him out of the team you wouldn't notice he wasn't there.


Wow....absolute cobblers.

I can't even be arsed to go into it further as to why....most overrated player of the century? Can't shake my head enough, ridiculous comment.
 
Wow....absolute cobblers.

I can't even be arsed to go into it further as to why....most overrated player of the century? Can't shake my head enough, ridiculous comment.

That's fine. I know a lot of people disagree with me.
 
No better than basham Reed or whiteman would he oust scougall or Adams from the team doubt it player of year maybe but everyone knows Armstrong was coventrys best player last season would rather we signed another winger we have enough centre midfield players
 
I take both points, but as a counter:

Fitness can improve, but there's no guarantee. Player has to really want to train like an animal and plenty don't. Look at someone like Baxter a fat fuck despite having advice and training from nutritionists, sports scientists, fitness coaches etc.

And yes, goals could improve if he was played in a different role, but again no guarantee.

My point being, if we want a big athletic midfielder who can go forward and defend, why not go and buy one, than get someone else and mould them? Unless of course we haven't the budget for it.
I agree with all your points. The problem we have is that midfielders that tick all the required boxes aren't coming to the third division.

UTB
 
No better than basham Reed or whiteman would he oust scougall or Adams from the team doubt it player of year maybe but everyone knows Armstrong was coventrys best player last season would rather we signed another winger we have enough centre midfield players
Shut up sack
 
Is there any 'if' about it? Of course a central midfielder should contribute goals, whether as creator or scorer or preferably both. It's not basic tactics to expect a midfielder to actually carry out that role. The fact that S2 let numpties like Montgomery do half a job for a decade is not my problem. He didn't get my permission or approval.

Of course basic is "fine" in S2. It's all most of you have ever known and hence you know no better. Your guru Diplodocus Dave is the Godfather of 'Basic'. The only pass he knows is up the Khyber, which is of course where his ugly primitive "football" belongs.

I'm not leading any crusade for Coutts. He hasn't done it consistently for us, but we have seen glimpses of class that few of our squad could match. I merely suggest that it might be worth persevering to see if he can come back fitter, hungrier and more committed. If not, let him go. But I won't shed a tear if Tufty gets rid of him tomorrow. It's not Coutts v Fleck.

I want two good strong athletic midfielders who can play pass and move football to the standard required to compete at the top of League One. I have no requirement at all that one of them be Paul Coutts so let's forget all that nonsense. What I don't want is a mediocre little Flecker who scores about once a season just because he's got a left foot and happened to be Coventry's least bad player one season.

The big Scottish fella is the one we should be after.
Well, it appears the big Scottish fella isn't the one we're after.
There's little point in further discussion on whether or not Fleck is suitable as it looks like we'll see for ourselves.
 

And the idea of bigger, stronger and more athletic being the way ahead? Is that suspended? I fear the Little Flecker is becoming this decade's Jason Koumas...



Those are reasons I would prefer Irvine. But from what I’ve seen and read, Fleck is reasonably mobile, hard working, tenacious and a good ball player.

Based on that I’d sat he ticks more of the boxes for a good central midfielder than most of those we’ve tried there over the last couple of years.


I also think the stat of a goal a season is misleading. The lad’s just turning 25 and has 10 league goals, 4 of which came last season. It’s not fair to judge the goals he scored at 15-16. He hasn’t scored many through his career but 4 last season suggests it’s an area of his game that is improving.


Incidentally, what did you think of Kevin McDonald? He seems like your type of player to me but scored very few goals when he was with us.
 
I agree, those points are a bit over exaggerated.

But there's no doubt this would be a fantastic signing. A deep lying playmaker who is capable of dictating the game to the pace we want to play at and quite frankly running it. Exactly what we need alongside Basham, this will bring him on leaps and bounds as much as anything.

Deep lying? You're doing the manager's head in! He likes the term midfielder, which requires no further explanation and does not permit a player to do half a job. If a player is 'holding' Tufty and I want to know what the fuck he is holding and why? He should put it down, whatever it is, and join in the game.
 
You have to compete. Do you not think we are outmuscled constantly? Big fellas can play as well. The Arsenal Invincibles were the finest footballers I have seen in English football for many years. There were also giants, not least the heart of the team Vieira and Petit. Both well over six feet and both physical. It's not one or the other. I have not seen the Fleck of whom you speak I'm afraid. If I do, I shall gladly change my view.

My views will never be conditioned by what other teams' fans think though. If I applied that to S2 I would become a devotee of ugly, outdated pub standard anti-football and that ain't happening any time soon...



Don’t think Petit was still there when they had the unbeaten season. Gilberto Silva was Vieria’s midfield partner at that point. But the point remains.
 
I would hope that we will be bringing in sufficient quality so that Basham is a squad player this season .......

Still need GK, 2 x CH, 2 x CM, CF and wide mid and if Adams & DCL go then we need an additional CF & wide midfield as well.

UTB & FTP



I think you’ll have a long wait pal. I’d put money on Bash being a first team regular this season. I don’t have a problem with that so long as the team balance is right.
 
He's been used badly for a very long time, then!

However, I hope you're right. I want a Blades team full of talented footballers but, despite popular misconception, I've always valued athleticism as well so long as it is allied to talent. My beef with S2 fans is they are blissfully ignorant of, or at best indifferent to, the vital importance of the latter. Hence the likes of Montgomery were applauded rather than run out of town at midnight, which is what would have happened at most clubs.



I don’t think anyone thinks Montgomery was a great player. They just appreciate that he gave his all in spite of his limitations whereas people like Coutts and Baxter, despite being talented footballers didn’t give a shit about this club and took the piss out of it’s fans.


I have far more respect for Montgomery as a man. Doesn’t mean I want a player with only his attributes to be a first team regular. In fact, I remember wishing we would play Alan Quinn or Tonge at CM instead of him.
 
We'll have to disagree on Bash's speed mate, or more importantly his box to box ability. He definitely has stamina and he gives his all and has decent work rate, but that doesn't mean he can press as well as I would like to see because of his lack of mobility. When you look at some of the guys that ripped through our midfield last season, like Moncur, I don't see Basham the guy to track such players because he hasn't the pace or the mobility etc. Of course Basham wasn't the only centre mid and I think he had a decent season last season. Playing Hammond alongside him was never going to work. Nor would Coutts work with Basham for me. To get the best out of Basham I would say he needs to sit in midfield and with other players of greater pace and athleticism around him he can sit in the midfield and break things up. Personally I see his best position as a centre back, because of the my previous points, but he can read the game and is a decent header and tackler. Just my thoughts.

Don't think the budget will stretch to two centre mids. With Fleck likely to sign we have Coutts, Reed, Whiteman, Wallace, Scougall, Basham and even Kieran Wallace all centre mids. I think Coutts will go to Burton at some point.



I disagree about Basham sitting deep. He doesn’t have the discipline to play as a holding midfielder and likes to go chasing the ball. Even when partnered with Baxter, Baxter played deep letting Basham press opponents. He’s also shown glimpses of an ability to arrive late in the box to meet crosses.


I’m quite comfortable with Basham playing in central midfield. The problem was that he was the only one of our midfielders capable of playing there in a 442. Whoever partnered him didn’t the legs for it meaning we got overrun. If we can give him a good athletic partner, it could work.
 
No better than basham Reed or whiteman would he oust scougall or Adams from the team doubt it player of year maybe but everyone knows Armstrong was coventrys best player last season would rather we signed another winger we have enough centre midfield players

If he's no better than those three then we really have problems. If they are the best we can do, then 'enough central midfield players' is the last thing we have. Personally I don't count the bare numbers, I have a think whether they're any good or not before including any individual in the roll call.
 
No better than basham Reed or whiteman would he oust scougall or Adams from the team doubt it player of year maybe but everyone knows Armstrong was coventrys best player last season would rather we signed another winger we have enough centre midfield players

Everyone bar the Coventry City fans. Who saw them every week.
 
I don’t think anyone thinks Montgomery was a great player. They just appreciate that he gave his all in spite of his limitations whereas people like Coutts and Baxter, despite being talented footballers didn’t give a shit about this club and took the piss out of it’s fans.


I have far more respect for Montgomery as a man. Doesn’t mean I want a player with only his attributes to be a first team regular. In fact, I remember wishing we would play Alan Quinn or Tonge at CM instead of him.

Oh I don't doubt that Dane and I've often said he had admirable qualities. It's just that very few of them had any particular relevance to football. I greatly admire Nelson Mandela and Charles Dickens but I don't want them in the heart of our midfield. They're no better than Louis Reed, if truth be told.
 
Those are reasons I would prefer Irvine. But from what I’ve seen and read, Fleck is reasonably mobile, hard working, tenacious and a good ball player.

Based on that I’d sat he ticks more of the boxes for a good central midfielder than most of those we’ve tried there over the last couple of years.


I also think the stat of a goal a season is misleading. The lad’s just turning 25 and has 10 league goals, 4 of which came last season. It’s not fair to judge the goals he scored at 15-16. He hasn’t scored many through his career but 4 last season suggests it’s an area of his game that is improving.


Incidentally, what did you think of Kevin McDonald? He seems like your type of player to me but scored very few goals when he was with us.

I liked him; A proper footballer. You have to wonder about his attitude though. He does tend to end up on the bench and ultimately outed when he plays at Chanpionship level. With his talent he ought to cope comfortably there, but he doesn't.

It's safe to say Tufty, of whom I am more impressed day by day (and Knill as well), will not be calling him...
 
No better than basham Reed or whiteman would he oust scougall or Adams from the team doubt it player of year maybe but everyone knows Armstrong was coventrys best player last season would rather we signed another winger we have enough centre midfield players


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

My grandma would oust Scougal from the team .......

UTB & FTP
 
I think you’ll have a long wait pal. I’d put money on Bash being a first team regular this season. I don’t have a problem with that so long as the team balance is right.

You may be correct, but for me, Basham is a trier and can cover 3 positions in emergency ........ but he's not the standard required if we are to realistically compete for a top two place. He's proven that, as have Scougal, Coutts, Woolford etc.

This is why I'm not getting over excited yet ........ even if we do get O'Connell and Fleck in today, we still need GK, CH, CM, CF and a winger to be competitive.

That ....... will be the acid test for the ambition of the Board this season ...... :rolleyes:

UTB & FTP
 
I disagree about Basham sitting deep. He doesn’t have the discipline to play as a holding midfielder and likes to go chasing the ball. Even when partnered with Baxter, Baxter played deep letting Basham press opponents. He’s also shown glimpses of an ability to arrive late in the box to meet crosses.


I’m quite comfortable with Basham playing in central midfield. The problem was that he was the only one of our midfielders capable of playing there in a 442. Whoever partnered him didn’t the legs for it meaning we got overrun. If we can give him a good athletic partner, it could work.
Would be good to see Bash getting forward a bit more if he can reproduce the flying header from 5-5 at Swindon.
 

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