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I loved my knock-off Barcelona #10 Romario shirt I got whilst on holiday in the 90's.
 

I should coco said:
Shameless business trip boast?

Does anyone know a bar in Asia where Grappler can watch the match?
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Taiwan was business, years ago, Thailand was holidays.

And I am not in Asia at the minute, I am in Sheffield, and I know where you live, before you get too cheeky on here.......;)
 
Grappler said:
I have had a great "fake" back in the 80's

Back in the early 80's, my brother and sister in law went to Thailand for three weeks. While they were there, they were looking for gifts to bring back, and rather than bring me a "Welcome to Thailand" set of drink mats (or whatever people buy other people as souvenirs), they bought me a "Boss" polo shirt. Now at the time, my sis in law, who was foreign, had never heard of Hugo Boss, and thought that "Boss" meant, well, "The Boss"!, so she thought that would be a funny gift for me, it cost about 1.50.

The material quality was fantastic and it lasted years without fading or any other issue, lasted much longer than my more expensive stuff.

When I first went to China in the 90's, on business (Beijing), the blokes I was meeting met me for lunch in an area they called "Silk Street", in other words, the garment district.

They explained while I was there, that when a company (they used "Timberland" as the example) uses a Chinese factory to make, say 500 jackets, or 800 shirts, or whatever, the factory give them a quote which is fairly accurate. Once the order is accepted, the factory guys re-lay the pattern onto the fabric again, and by being clever, can squeeze an extra 20-30 jackets or shirts out of the same roll of material.

That was what was being sold in the shops in "Silk Street", you could have the designer label sowed in or not , it was a bit cheaper without the label, but to all intents and purposes, this was the same you would pay a ton for in the west, but for a fraction of the price. I didn't buy anything but it was dirt cheap.

I even saw counterfeit Nintendo systems in Chinese department stores, called "Dendi" or something like that, with pictures of Jackie Chan holding one!

Best thing I ever saw, and kick myself for not buying one, was a counterfeit Fender Strat in China, it looked and played every bit as good as an original (it can't have been original at the price is was for sale at). A few years later I was working in Moscow (long story) and met the Russian equivalent of Eric Clapton, who had appeared on Live Aid in Russia, and was a great guitarist. A few of us were at his house, drinking Vodka, and someone mentioned I played guitar (badly!), and he started playing a Strat and handed it to me, while he grabbed another one, just playing blues riffs.

We swapped guitars back and forth and he asked me which one I preferred and (yep, you guessed it) the one that was best (and he agreed) was a Chinese fake, while the other one was a real Fender that Fender had sent him. Incredible really.
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My old boss lived in China for a few years and had 2 boxes of fake Moleskin notebooks made with his name (fancy titles and all) printed on the front, he loved anything like that. He was minted so could afford the real ones but he was a bit of Del Boy so loved the fakes. He had a couple of Panerai watches and managed to crack the screen on one, went to China on a business trip and got a fake screen as a replacement. The watch was over £10k and I couldn't believe he'd put a fake replacement screen in it for the sake of a few hundred quid.

I'm off to HK next Easter so I'll try and convince the Mrs to buy a handbag with the old "it's from the same factory as the real ones" line. It'll never work!
 
Kuwaiti_blade said:
Pick them up for under a 10er in many shops.
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I called in Decathlon a couple of weeks ago, to buy a few shirts for the gym, their basic one was about 4 quid, and the better one (with the "dry-fit" material, which we used to call a "rash-guard" in my MMA days) was about 5.99?, the dry-fit one actually looks too good to wear for the gym!
 
derekacorah said:
My old boss lived in China for a few years and had 2 boxes of fake Moleskin notebooks made with his name (fancy titles and all) printed on the front, he loved anything like that. He was minted so could afford the real ones but he was a bit of Del Boy so loved the fakes. He had a couple of Panerai watches and managed to crack the screen on one, went to China on a business trip and got a fake screen as a replacement. The watch was over £10k and I couldn't believe he'd put a fake replacement screen in it for the sake of a few hundred quid.

I'm off to HK next Easter so I'll try and convince the Mrs to buy a handbag with the old "it's from the same factory as the real ones" line. It'll never work!
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I like watches, which is something I got from my Grandad (who took me to my first Blades games as a lad and who I owe everything about my love of SUFC), he liked watches and clocks. He was born in 1900, and as young man, always wore a three piece suit with a pocket watch and chain in the waistcoat.

I still have a couple of his pocket watches, might be worth something, might not, but to me they are a priceless reminder of him.

When he died, he left me some money and I bought an expensive (at the time) wrist watch, as a tribute to him, I still have it but it is worn and probably not worth anything.

As for modern watches, anything that is a fashion brand (as most of you will know), is no better than a fake you buy on holiday, in fact the fakes are better in most cases.

The vast majority of fashion brand watches (Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein, LaCoste, Armani) are made in Chinese factories owned by the same company, they have a brand of their own called "Fossil". The exception, from what I can work out, is the US brand called Michael Kors, who seem to use even cheaper factories and people in the watch trade say the insides of the watches are worth a couple of quid, if that.

A real watch company, like Rolex, Omega, Brietling, etc., make their own watches, which cost a fortune of course.

Seiko make the "movement" for a lot of other companies and their other brand "Pulsar" make very decent watches that are well built and are water resistant to a decent depth.

Anyway, back to football..........
 
Grappler said:
The vast majority of fashion brand watches (Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein, LaCoste, Armani) are made in Chinese factories owned by the same company, they have a brand of their own called "Fossil". The exception, from what I can work out, is the US brand called Michael Kors, who seem to use even cheaper factories and people in the watch trade say the insides of the watches are worth a couple of quid, if that.
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Not for this thread either but I wouldn't buy a watch from a fashion brand. The same way that I wouldn't buy a Rolex t-shirt.
 
If you kicked out every single fan wearing a fake shirt (which probably numbers in the thousands), the revenue lost would be more than that lost through the fake shirt sales.

Fake shirts are part and parcel of the top flight game now whether you like it or not. Not defending the practice, merely stating facts.
 
Grappler said:
I like watches, which is something I got from my Grandad (who took me to my first Blades games as a lad and who I owe everything about my love of SUFC), he liked watches and clocks. He was born in 1900, and as young man, always wore a three piece suit with a pocket watch and chain in the waistcoat.

I still have a couple of his pocket watches, might be worth something, might not, but to me they are a priceless reminder of him.

When he died, he left me some money and I bought an expensive (at the time) wrist watch, as a tribute to him, I still have it but it is worn and probably not worth anything.

As for modern watches, anything that is a fashion brand (as most of you will know), is no better than a fake you buy on holiday, in fact the fakes are better in most cases.

The vast majority of fashion brand watches (Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein, LaCoste, Armani) are made in Chinese factories owned by the same company, they have a brand of their own called "Fossil". The exception, from what I can work out, is the US brand called Michael Kors, who seem to use even cheaper factories and people in the watch trade say the insides of the watches are worth a couple of quid, if that.

A real watch company, like Rolex, Omega, Brietling, etc., make their own watches, which cost a fortune of course.

Seiko make the "movement" for a lot of other companies and their other brand "Pulsar" make very decent watches that are well built and are water resistant to a decent depth.

Anyway, back to football..........
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mate of mine had a Tag Heuer.. it was always breaking down. he was going on holiday to Goa so he bought a snide. went in the sea with it, threw it about, worked perfect. When he went to HL Brown to pick up his fixed Tag the watchsmith saw his fake and asked if he could take a look. 'ah Seiko time piece .. they all have these in. it's nearly as good as the one in the Tag' !
if the Chinese ever master the perpetual movement, then Rolex and Omega will be in trouble
 
Scarebus said:
The real thrill Is wondering if customs will snag it before it reaches your door step. None of that excitement from sufcdirect.
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Oh. Sorry. I've mislead you. The Carrier Bag Firm don't buy Fake Shirts "online" or "mail order". We pick them up in person on Far East Ground Ticking trips. We're in Singapore in November en route....
 

Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Oh. Sorry. I've mislead you. The Carrier Bag Firm don't buy Fake Shirts "online" or "mail order". We pick them up in person on Far East Ground Ticking trips. We're in Singapore in November en route....
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Sadly, some of us are far less commited to the cause. Thankfully far eastern drop shipping companies can accomodate most (if not all) desires...you just need to know where to look 😉
 
Grappler said:
I like watches, which is something I got from my Grandad (who took me to my first Blades games as a lad and who I owe everything about my love of SUFC), he liked watches and clocks. He was born in 1900, and as young man, always wore a three piece suit with a pocket watch and chain in the waistcoat.

I still have a couple of his pocket watches, might be worth something, might not, but to me they are a priceless reminder of him.

When he died, he left me some money and I bought an expensive (at the time) wrist watch, as a tribute to him, I still have it but it is worn and probably not worth anything.

As for modern watches, anything that is a fashion brand (as most of you will know), is no better than a fake you buy on holiday, in fact the fakes are better in most cases.

The vast majority of fashion brand watches (Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein, LaCoste, Armani) are made in Chinese factories owned by the same company, they have a brand of their own called "Fossil". The exception, from what I can work out, is the US brand called Michael Kors, who seem to use even cheaper factories and people in the watch trade say the insides of the watches are worth a couple of quid, if that.

A real watch company, like Rolex, Omega, Brietling, etc., make their own watches, which cost a fortune of course.

Seiko make the "movement" for a lot of other companies and their other brand "Pulsar" make very decent watches that are well built and are water resistant to a decent depth.

Anyway, back to football..........
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The Grand Seiko is apparently excellent quality, the ‘snowflake’ is the iconic model. I’ve got the SK007 (I’m into Swiss watches really but I wanted some kind of ‘beater’ and they were really highly rated as a cheaper watch). It’s solid enough but it doesn’t keep time that well.

Whilst the Swiss companies always go on about in-house movements they’re not always fully in-house. Omega use a modified Valjoux for their chronographs, even the ones with the Daniels escapement and, of course, the early Rolex Daytonas used Zenith movements.

What did you get with your inheritance? I’m more interested in vintage watches (I like some of the new ones but, fuck me, they’re expensive). I like the late sixties/early seventies ones, particularly Omega, as you can pick them up for a reasonable price. The earlier ones are too small and the later ones suffer from a fall in quality.
 
super_pig said:
mate of mine had a Tag Heuer.. it was always breaking down. he was going on holiday to Goa so he bought a snide. went in the sea with it, threw it about, worked perfect. When he went to HL Brown to pick up his fixed Tag the watchsmith saw his fake and asked if he could take a look. 'ah Seiko time piece .. they all have these in. it's nearly as good as the one in the Tag' !
if the Chinese ever master the perpetual movement, then Rolex and Omega will be in trouble
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Mate of mine, now retired, used to work in China a lot, in the industrial cities, and was always coming back with a fake watch or two, just for a laugh. He never claimed they were anything but cheap fakes.

One day we were out and he showed me a watch he was wearing, can't remember what brand it was supposed to be, but it looked great, he took it off and handed it to me, it was well made, heavy, really detailed, and when he flipped it over, the back was transparent and you could see the clockwork movement inside.

He said he was looking at some cheap watches in China, but couldn't see anything he liked, so the bloke selling said "you want to pay a little more?", and took him down a small warehouse nearby, which was an Aladdin's cave of knock off stuff. He paid about 40 quid at the time for the watch, which was fully automatic and water proof. He fuly expected it to stop working after a few weeks, but it carried on for years. He might still have it.
 
super_pig said:
mate of mine had a Tag Heuer.. it was always breaking down. he was going on holiday to Goa so he bought a snide. went in the sea with it, threw it about, worked perfect. When he went to HL Brown to pick up his fixed Tag the watchsmith saw his fake and asked if he could take a look. 'ah Seiko time piece .. they all have these in. it's nearly as good as the one in the Tag' !
if the Chinese ever master the perpetual movement, then Rolex and Omega will be in trouble
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The point of a luxury product is that it’s expensive. 90% of Rolex owners aren’t really into watches and horology, they just want something on their wrist that says ‘I’m considerably richer than yow’. They know everyone knows Rolex are expensive whereas the sub-contractors they manage and the blokes down the pub might not realise a Vacheron or a Lange & Sohne is superior. They probably think JLC is John Lewis’ own brand.
 
BushBlade said:
The Grand Seiko is apparently excellent quality, the ‘snowflake’ is the iconic model. I’ve got the SK007 (I’m into Swiss watches really but I wanted some kind of ‘beater’ and they were really highly rated as a cheaper watch). It’s solid enough but it doesn’t keep time that well.

Whilst the Swiss companies always go on about in-house movements they’re not always fully in-house. Omega use a modified Valjoux for their chronographs, even the ones with the Daniels escapement and, of course, the early Rolex Daytonas used Zenith movements.

What did you get with your inheritance? I’m more interested in vintage watches (I like some of the new ones but, fuck me, they’re expensive). I like the late sixties/early seventies ones, particularly Omega, as you can pick them up for a reasonable price. The earlier ones are too small and the later ones suffer from a fall in quality.
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At the time, (early 90's), I was working with lads who all wore Tag and Rolex, and I wanted something different, looked around for ages and found a Maurice Lacroix that I really liked, all metal with 22 carat gold detail and a divers bezel. Not as big and chunky as modern watches, but looked good at the time, sporty but equally at home if wearing a suit and tie.
 
Grappler said:
At the time, (early 90's), I was working with lads who all wore Tag and Rolex, and I wanted something different, looked around for ages and found a Maurice Lacroix that I really liked, all metal with 22 carat gold detail and a divers bezel. Not as big and chunky as modern watches, but looked good at the time, sporty but equally at home if wearing a suit and tie.
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Interesting brand that was tipped to be a big player. Probably hasn’t quite made it but it still rated and had made steady progress in the luxury watch market. I think they started in the 70s which was quite brave as many were crapping it over the quartz revolution.

I’d guess that it’s still got some value but who cares anyway. If you like a watch, you like it.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Dinosaur.....
The Carrier Bag Firm are proud to be Environmentally Sustainable. Bag For Life all the way......
We get those ones made of hemp. When a CBF Grandee passes away, we roll up & smoke their bag as a way of paying respect
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Hey brother, you could cheech these, they aint bammer shit. Though I'd recommend grinding to a powder and bipping, rather than blazing. Spafe fam!
 
BushBlade said:
The point of a luxury product is that it’s expensive. 90% of Rolex owners aren’t really into watches and horology, they just want something on their wrist that says ‘I’m considerably richer than yow’. They know everyone knows Rolex are expensive whereas the sub-contractors they manage and the blokes down the pub might not realise a Vacheron or a Lange & Sohne is superior. They probably think JLC is John Lewis’ own brand.
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"Rolex" is the first name on everyone's lips when asked if they know any "posh watches".

Patek Philippe......now that really is a "when I win the lottery" sort of watch.
 
BushBlade said:
Interesting brand that was tipped to be a big player. Probably hasn’t quite made it but it still rated and had made steady progress in the luxury watch market. I think they started in the 70s which was quite brave as many were crapping it over the quartz revolution.

I’d guess that it’s still got some value but who cares anyway. If you like a watch, you like it.
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Yep, not as old as a lot of brands, but I just liked it.

I still love watches but don't really wear them as much.

One of the things I do on a flight, sit and look at all the luxury watch ads in the in-flight magazine.
 
Grappler said:
"Rolex" is the first name on everyone's lips when asked if they know any "posh watches".

Patek Philippe......now that really is a "when I win the lottery" sort of watch.
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The "traditional slim" PP is truly a thing of beauty. Sadly, like Cartier, much of their new output is "trendy" as opposed to elegant.
 

BushBlade said:
The Grand Seiko is apparently excellent quality, the ‘snowflake’ is the iconic model. I’ve got the SK007 (I’m into Swiss watches really but I wanted some kind of ‘beater’ and they were really highly rated as a cheaper watch). It’s solid enough but it doesn’t keep time that well.

Whilst the Swiss companies always go on about in-house movements they’re not always fully in-house. Omega use a modified Valjoux for their chronographs, even the ones with the Daniels escapement and, of course, the early Rolex Daytonas used Zenith movements.

What did you get with your inheritance? I’m more interested in vintage watches (I like some of the new ones but, fuck me, they’re expensive). I like the late sixties/early seventies ones, particularly Omega, as you can pick them up for a reasonable price. The earlier ones are too small and the later ones suffer from a fall in quality.
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Some of that era Omega watches are very nice, and as you say, often reasonably priced.
 
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