Everton FFP

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I thought the Premier League had said when the west ham debacle happened it "isn't fair" on fans to Dock points, what's changed?

 

[Silent Blade]

I thought the Premier League had said when the west ham debacle happened it "isn't fair" on fans to Dock points, what's changed?

Dave Richards no longer in the PL board

 

[mattbianco1]

It's a strange eone with Everton much like us they can't spend big. Then again I can't think of any big money players they've got apart from that lad from real Madrid that didn't work out.

But they have spent big and that's how they got into the mess.

17/18 Season:
Spent = £203m
Sold = £126m
Net = £77m

18/19 Season:
Spent = £100m
Sold = £29m
Net = £71m

19/20 Season:
Spent = £121m
Sold = £88m
Net = £33m

20/21 Season:
Spent = £74m
Sold = £4m
Net = £70m

21/22 Season:
Spent = £39m
Sold = £46m
Net = +£7m

22/23 Season:
Spent = £78m
Sold = £104m
Net = +£26m

23/24 Season:
Spent = £41m
Sold = £83m
Net = +42m

Seems like they've tried to recoup the money over the last 3, but the damage has been done.

 

[Addison]

Briefly followed this on Talk Sport, don't like him in general but Simon Jordan comes into his own when we get onto legalities- anyway I believe the stadium costs have been discounted (rightly IMO) and a good chunk of other debt 'because Covid'. My issue with all of this is the random points deduction figure; is it a league point for each £2m over, or is it just enough points to look like they've been punished but not really? Both of Chelsea and Man City will be in serious trouble if found guilty now a precedent has been set with Everton and I'll wager they aren't the only ones on the line.

The Commission referenced an agreement with EPL to discount stadium costs pre planning approval but stated Everton "were less than frank" when it came to detailing the interest costs on the stadium which were included in the PSR calculations. The Commission did not accept the COVID argument stating it was not a unique factor as all clubs faced the same issues. The reason Everton exceeded the PSR threshold by £19 million was simply down to the following;

The cause of Everton’s PSR difficulties was the fact that it overspent (largely on its purchase of new players and its inability to sell other players), and because it finished lower in the league than it had projected in FY 2022 (16th against the projected 6th – causing a loss of expected income of c.£21 million)

Some delusions of grandeur in the assumption they would finish in 6th place. Simple fact is they threw money at new players when they knew they were in financial difficulties burying their head in the sand and have rightly suffered the consequences for the breaches of PSR.

The problem is the sanction. Whilst the Commission applied the precedent of points deductions from Sheffield Wednesday v the EFL they acknowledged there was no current formula under EPL rules. They did refer to the EFL method of points deducted per millions overspent but they were not bound by the rules of a separate organisation. Unfortunately in their findings they have not provided written reasons as to why they have arrived at a figure of 10 points. It seems to have been plucked out of thin air which is now leading to speculation regarding their methodology and consequently enhances the prospect of an appeal being granted and the likelihood of a reduction.

 

[mattbianco1]

The shocking thing there is that the whole panel are unanimously backing Everton. Even Courtney.

I hope it has a knock-on to other clubs now. Starting with Man City and Chelsea

 

[Corkblade]

It's nauseating isn't it, listening to this so called analysis, if it was united there would be no sympathy, it really is a closed shop the premier league.

 

[Addison]

The shocking thing there is that the whole panel are unanimously backing Everton. Even Courtney.

I hope it has a knock-on to other clubs now. Starting with Man City and Chelsea

Football pundits and ex players who know very little about PSR. Thats the PSR that the EPL clubs voted for themselves. If they spent time reading the Commission findings it will dispel the myth that Everton held their hands up and cooperated fully with the EPL. There are enough references to them being "less than frank" and withdrawing arguments on spending that were never going to cut it with the Commission to suggest like most other clubs they knew they would get found out and so they adopted damage limitation mode. That doesn't support the media narrative that its outrageous that the grand old team have been treated in this way. The bandwagon for a points reduction is growing. I doubt very much there would have been the same level of outrage if Sheffield United had been in this position.

Sherwood saying he is now an Everton fan because of the ruling and that he wanted big clubs to remain in the EPL is pathetic, typical of the bias that is prevalent amongst so called football experts. If any teams need galvanising following this ruling its the bottom four, not Everton, as every commentator on this subject to a man has written them off already. PH needs to show this to the players.

 

[s20Blade]

But they have spent big and that's how they got into the mess.

17/18 Season:
Spent = £203m
Sold = £126m
Net = £77m

18/19 Season:
Spent = £100m
Sold = £29m
Net = £71m

19/20 Season:
Spent = £121m
Sold = £88m
Net = £33m

20/21 Season:
Spent = £74m
Sold = £4m
Net = £70m

21/22 Season:
Spent = £39m
Sold = £46m
Net = +£7m

22/23 Season:
Spent = £78m
Sold = £104m
Net = +£26m

23/24 Season:
Spent = £41m
Sold = £83m
Net = +42m

Seems like they've tried to recoup the money over the last 3, but the damage has been done.

Forest have got to be next then if they have overspent with those figures.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

King’s Counsel

I knew it didn’t look right.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Of course, I still say Prince Charles instead of King Charles when I am not thinking properly!

I know. When they talk about the Queen I still think of Elizabeth, rather than Camilla.

 

[Muttley]

Forest have got to be next then if they have overspent with those figures.

A Forest fan workmate is getting a rather twitchy arse.

 

[SB_90]

How long will this current system be sustainable? Who knows, but it can’t go on forever, the number of individuals out there with the funds to prop up football clubs is getting smaller and smaller due to the sums of money involved.

I can see it reaching a point where a big change will eventually come to revolutionise the structure of the game.

i agree that, Football is a ticking timebomb. that why i feel they need to rein the budgets, we all know what a mess the championship is in nevermind PL. where isnt it 18-20 clubs in championship spent more in wages than they brought in & dont see how losing 3.2m every month is sustainable. many clubs where 1 bad season & club existence could be put in danger

but this system had worked for 120yrs. & will again problem not the system its the money. you bring a rule that all clubs must at least break even. then nobody can go out of business. there no need for this wealthy businessmen just to stay alive. anyone can own the club because the owner shouldnt need to put in any money. because theyll all expenses will be covered by the income

 

[SB_90]

Of course, I still say Prince Charles instead of King Charles when I am not thinking properly!

i dont think ill ever remember to call him king. i still call the L1 trophy the Johnstone paint trophy & always singing god save the queen

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Football pundits and ex players who know very little about PSR. Thats the PSR that the EPL clubs voted for themselves. If they spent time reading the Commission findings it will dispel the myth that Everton held their hands up and cooperated fully with the EPL. There are enough references to them being "less than frank" and withdrawing arguments on spending that were never going to cut it with the Commission to suggest like most other clubs they knew they would get found out and so they adopted damage limitation mode. That doesn't support the media narrative that its outrageous that the grand old team have been treated in this way. The bandwagon for a points reduction is growing. I doubt very much there would have been the same level of outrage if Sheffield United had been in this position.

Sherwood saying he is now an Everton fan because of the ruling and that he wanted big clubs to remain in the EPL is pathetic, typical of the bias that is prevalent amongst so called football experts. If any teams need galvanising following this ruling its the bottom four, not Everton, as every commentator on this subject to a man has written them off already. PH needs to show this to the players.

Tim Sherwood in talking shite shocker. Fortunately he doesn’t get a say nor do any of the other so called pundits. Everton will quite probably still stay up as they’ve given them plenty of time to overcome the deduction so they’ll end up happy but if they broke the rules they should receive a punishment just like every other team should do. Unfortunately this is probably Animal Farm territory where all teams are equal but some are more equal than others. We’ll see

 

[Selly]

their role was only to consider whether the FAPL decision to impose a fine, was irrational or perverse, they had no power to change the punishment.

I still to this day this it was completely preferred that a points deduction wasn't handed down.

The only reason any club participates in the PL is to get points. Ergo any cheating should be punished with the removal of points.

To not do so would be perverse. IMO.

 

[Selly]

i dont think ill ever remember to call him king. i still call the L1 trophy the Johnstone paint trophy & always singing god save the queen

Johnston's Paint? Don't you mean the Auto Windscreens Trophy???

 

[LS16Blade]

It's nauseating isn't it, listening to this so called analysis, if it was united there would be no sympathy, it really is a closed shop the premier league.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

The Premier League is most definitely ‘a club’ - with certain clubs (essentially the big 6, the other largely ever-presents like Everton and Villa and any smaller club from London and the south-east that can get there), players, ex-players, media and even the ‘elite’ referees as members - and we are most definitely not in that club.

We had a period where we were patronised by the club, in the first season up under Wilder. We never had the wealth to get into the club, though, and then after Wilder had the temerity to criticise Klopp early in the covid season, we were no longer worthy of even patronage by the club. We became scum that they wanted to see the back of and we still are.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Without a shadow of a doubt.

The Premier League is most definitely ‘a club’ - with certain clubs (essentially the big 6, the other largely ever-presents like Everton and Villa and any smaller club from London and the south-east that can get there), players, ex-players, media and even the ‘elite’ referees as members - and we are most definitely not in that club.

We had a period where we were patronised by the club, in the first season up under Wilder. We never had the wealth to get into the club, though, and then after Wilder had the temerity to criticise Klopp early in the covid season, we were no longer worthy of even patronage by the club. We became scum that they wanted to see the back of and we still are.

To be fair the current ownership at the Lane don't see us as Premier League.

 

[paidsy]

Some of the arguments being made over this are absolutely hilarious. I've seen numerous shouts that because Everton have been shit they shouldn't get punished. I will say all this screaming about City's 115 breaches by certain people may very well come back to haunt them too.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Apparently being debated in parliament now.

 

[Balham]

Johnston's Paint? Don't you mean the Auto Windscreens Trophy???

Auto Windscreens Shield, please

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I had very interesting conversations with Evertonians, apparently they’ve not cheated… adamant they are lol

Many Hammers supporters say the same thing about Tevez and Mascherano. Was but a mere administrative oversight…

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Leicester city fans are so pissed off about the 10 points deduction coming now...if they were applied last season they might've stayed up.

 

[Addison]

Apparently being debated in parliament now.

Every word of MP's hard hitting Everton motion as PL faces increasing scrutiny

Ian Byrne, the MP for West Derby, has tabled an early day motion in the House of Commons over the 10-point deduction against Everton

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

MP's never cease to amaze me with their lack of research on a subject they are ill equipped to comment on. The fact footballs key regulating body has finally chosen to apply sanctions when its rules have been breached is supportive of the requirement for an Independent regulator. The IR is not a means to challenge legal decisions. Its there to help football get its house in order one of the key areas being the management of PSR.

The words in the first comment says it all;

" Absurd grandstanding that will achieve absolutely zilch"

 

[Kev Gee]

Wankers.
Sent they supposed to be standing up for the integrity of the league?
If you cheat then you are trying to gain an unfair advantage. Therfor undermining the integrity of the league.

The only thing they got right was the last point.

Clubs will now look to obstruct any investigation as much as possible in order to drag out investigations. (Most do this already) but look for it to get much worse.

This will undermine the credibility of football even further.

What really needs to happen are clear rules in place with punishments set down in stone with levels of severity. And these need signing off by the clubs themselves or a regulatory body.

 

[Proper Blade]

I think Neville Southall (funnily enough) has been the only person in the media I have come across who didn't defend Everton. He just said they broke the rules and therefore should accept the punishment. Other top six pundits seem to be bleating a mixture of...

• But they 'only' overspent by £20m (irrelevant)
• But they're being made an example of (just as they were all saying about Man City - obviously the first team to get an FFP points deduction is going to be 'the' example, by virtue of being the first to be punished)
• But they tried to fix the damage (irrelevant)
• But they cooperated with the Premier League (actually, they tried to cover it up)
• But they're a bit shit anyway (also irrelevant)

None of which are excuses in any way. They overspent, consistently, year after year, broke the rules and should be punished for it. That punishment should be a points deduction. Some of the impassioned defences they've been getting are in equal parts nauseating and illogical.

 

[SUFC Guy]

With all of these clubs due a points deduction, I can see us playing Champions League footy next season

 

[tincan]

Would we be too bothered about Everton's corruption if we were still in the championship? Or if they'd knocked us out of the FA cup Semi final?
If they backdate the punishment to include the Hans Segers match then demote the crooked twats to non league.

 

[Bladesman]

With all of these clubs due a points deduction, I can see us playing Champions League footy next season

I know you are joking but it would be on some merit too if it was to ever happen. We have always tried to cut our cloth accordingly even to the extreme under McCabe. Meanwhile other clubs flout FFP rules and get a slap on the wrist for it.