Everton FFP

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blade too long said:
if only our fans had some faith in us like you give other clubs quite generously

theyve had a run of 3 wins in oooh their safe
we are unbeaten in 2 and 2 winnable games coming oooh uniteds down for certain

dont get it , well not supposed blades
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You’ve made a few assumptions there mate. My post is purely about the fact Everton should be in a position where survival would be hard. They aren’t, not even close. They will likely survive mainly because they’ve breached FFP in assembling a squad far better than the 4 teams at the bottom.
 
A Storm of Blades said:
You’ve made a few assumptions there mate. My post is purely about the fact Everton should be in a position where survival would be hard. They aren’t, not even close. They will likely survive mainly because they’ve breached FFP in assembling a squad far better than the 4 teams at the bottom.
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You’re talking about a team that’s survived by a margin of 2 points last season and 4 points the season before. There is no way Everton should stay up this season after a 10 point deduction, but the fact that there are 3 utterly useless teams means they probably will.

If we can’t finish above Everton this season, it’s no one’s fault but our own. Wanting a bigger deduction to increase our chances is a bit embarrassing. This is Everton FFS, a club that’s wasted shit loads of money on crap players and regularly in the relegation battle. If we had anything about us we’d be able to finish above them without a points deduction!
 
interesting: the media up in arms about teams breaking the rules, spending too much money in order to be competitive. The same media that lest face it have been ridiculing Luton and United for being shit. The reason we are shit is we can’t afford to spend the money required to stay up, and if we did, we would end up breaking the rules.
 
YES Blade said:
You’re talking about a team that’s survived by a margin of 2 points last season and 4 points the season before. There is no way Everton should stay up this season after a 10 point deduction, but the fact that there are 3 utterly useless teams means they probably will.

If we can’t finish above Everton this season, it’s no one’s fault but our own. Wanting a bigger deduction to increase our chances is a bit embarrassing. This is Everton FFS, a club that’s wasted shit loads of money on crap players and regularly in the relegation battle. If we had anything about us we’d be able to finish above them without a points deduction!
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Again, assumptions made for things I haven’t said. I’m talking about Everton in isolation and in context of this season, which the panel clearly are aware off. 10 points (a figure nobody seems to know how they came up with), is clearly doing to do very little this year. My point is, if the punishment would have relegated them in the past 2 seasons, then the punishment should be relevant and appropriate to the situation this year, given you have 3 clubs without limitless budgets. I would have focused less on a points figure and more on putting them in a position fitting the breach. Personally, I would have put them on -10.
 
If after 30 consecutive years in the Premier league with its millions of £'s coming in each season Everton can't find enough to finish above us, Bournemouth, Burnley, Luton and possibly Fulham by 10 points then there is something seriously wrong at that club.
 
It’s hard to believe that other clubs have not breached FFP but maybe they are a bit more clever to hide it? In our group the yelo sponsorship is very odd. It’s basically a Saoudi rental company that has no customers or operations in the countries where they are now sponsoring clubs with little international exposure. And other clubs have similar arrangements which seem more about bypassing FFP than anything else.
 
PurpleRain said:
It’s hard to believe that other clubs have not breached FFP but maybe they are a bit more clever to hide it? In our group the yelo sponsorship is very odd. It’s basically a Saoudi rental company that has no customers or operations in the countries where they are now sponsoring clubs with little international exposure. And other clubs have similar arrangements which seem more about bypassing FFP than anything else.
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My favourite is the 'Visit Rwanda' on Arsenal's shirts. Completely above board that one!
 

YES Blade said:
a club that’s wasted shit loads of money on crap players
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In relative terms we have done the same
blade too long said:
But we are starting to now and we are playing some of the weaker teams and getting players back slowly
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Is this one of those “last 2 games we’re averaging European form” debates again?! Everton are in the next tier to us in terms of the PL. It’s delusional to think otherwise.

It’s the best season ever to have a 10 point deduction with us, Bournemouth, Burnley and Luton around.
 
Muttley said:
Why cant it just be a hard and fast rule? Break FFP, relegation. Simple.
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You could get into the position that, for whatever reasons, the entirety of the Premier League could be relegated and the top 20 teams in the Championship could be promoted. However, you can be safe in the knowledge that if that was to happen then Sheffield Wednesday would STILL not make it into the top tier.
 
seems to be a lot of sympathy with everton in the media which surprises me
might as well scrap the ffp rules and just let clubs go to the wall
 
Addison said:
Having briefly speed read the Independent Commissions written reasons its a very complicated case. Unfortunately as its the first of its kind, this being the first FFP sanctions imposed by the EPL, there is a likelihood the Commissions findings are open to challenge on appeal. Not least because the EPL does not have written into its rules a points sanction matrix which the EPL have. The EPL agreed as late as August this year to consider adopting a similar approach within its rules.

The Commission are dismissive of Evertons mitigation regarding Covid, the Ukraine War, reduction in player sales values. They make reference to them being "less than frank" in providing information on the cooperation point that the Pigs won on appeal.

Everton wanted a financial penalty after admitting late in the day financial breaches yet still tried to dumb down the overspend to single figure millions as opposed to the EPL's calculation of £20 million plus. The Commission found for the EPL on this point.

Without going in to too much detail, mitigation points aside, the issue rests on the sanction and how it has been calculated. Sheffield Wednesday v The Football League was referenced;

"A sporting advantage is to be inferred so that anything other than a points deduction is inappropriate"

Words that will be of interest to Leeds. Leicester and Southampton. They've got 28 days to raise a counter claim.

Whilst the Birmingham City case was referenced re points deductions as was the EPL matrix where x £ millions overspent per point deducted was applied the Commission felt it wasn't bound by non EPL rules. Again an issue that would support grounds for an appeal imo.

After a detailed summary of why each of Evertons mitigations were being dismissed the Commission concluded a 10 point deduction was appropriate. Yet there is no written rationale as to how this number has been calculated. The Appeal has to be concluded within 3 months so we are looking at February if Everton are granted permission to Appeal.
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EPL doesn't have a written matrix. EPL has a written matrix. Quite contradictory you write, one minute they dont, next few words, they do. No wonder Everton are confused, as we are now, but good clarification all the same 😁😅🤣🤣😅😆🤣😅😆
 
Not_a_Cheat said:
EPL doesn't have a written matrix. EPL has a written matrix. Quite contradictory you write, one minute they dont, next few words, they do. No wonder Everton are confused, as we are now, but good clarification all the same 😁😅🤣🤣😅😆🤣😅😆
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Well spotted my mistake should read EFL have a matrix.
 

Muttley said:
Why cant it just be a hard and fast rule? Break FFP, relegation. Simple.
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This.
There should be no "grey" areas. Or wriggle room.

There shouldn't be a need for lawyers or appeals. If the rules and punishment was set in stone. Then everything would be clear.

Do the crime - you do the time.

But of course that probably wouldn't be good for the big six.
 
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