Eric Illsley MP - Perhaps this is why...

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I got back in touch with him today.

From: John Phelan
Subject: Fw: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 2:31 PM

Dr Mr Illsley,

Youll see that in our previous communication (below) you said "I will be the judge of what I do in Parliament"

I see in the papers today that it is, in fact, an actual judge who will be the judge of what you did in Parliament.

Yours vindicatedly

John Phelan


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, John Phelan <[email protected]> wrote:

From: John Phelan <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
To: "ILLSLEY, Eric" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:49 PM
My taxes pay your wages, I am your employer.

Ive seen your record on theyworkforyou.co.uk, I have a very clear idea what you do in Parliament.

Yours accessibly,

John Phelan (taxpayer)

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
From: ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
To: John Phelan
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:12 PM
Dear Mr Phelan

I repeat - I will be the judge of what I do in Parliament - You are not my employer and do not keep kidding yourself that you are. Like I said before you have have no idea what I do in Parliament so stop deluding yourself that I spend all my time "dedicating my time to football". Do not send me anymore emails.

Eric Illsley Ll.B MP

________________________________________
From: John Phelan
Sent: 09 December 2008 17:33
To: ILLSLEY, Eric
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
Sorry, but you said "I will be the judge of what I do in Parliament". Actually, it is the voters, people like me, your employers, who will judge you come election time.

Burke said "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment". Now, if you keep wasting your time with cheap stunts like this, I dont imagine the newly jobless or homeless will be too impressed with the judgement you owe them under the Burkean ideal when you tell them youve been dedicating your time to local football.

Yours accountably,

John Phelan (taxpayer)


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
From: ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
To: John Phelan
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 5:00 PM
Dear Mr Phelan

The Electors are the judge of who they send to Parliament. What a Member of parliament does was encapsulated in a speech Made by Edmund Burke MP in his "Address to the electors of Bristol" in the 18th Century. This is regarded as the authority on the subject and states quite clearly that an elected Member of Parlament cannot be delegated or required to vote or act in any particular way by anyone.

Eric Illsley MP
________________________________________
From: John Phelan
Sent: 09 December 2008 15:28
To: ILLSLEY, Eric
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
"I will be the judge of what I do in Parliament"

Im sorry, aren't the voters supposed to be the judge?

Yours democratically,

John Phelan (taxpayer)


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
From: ILLSLEY, Eric <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: As someone who pays your salary...
To: John Phelan
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 3:23 PM
Dear Mr Phelan

I will be the judge of what I do in Parliament and whether it is relevant not you. You have not got a clue as to what I do in Parliament or the time that I devote to it so keep your parsimoious, childish rants to yourself.

Eric Illsley MP




________________________________________
From: John Phelan
Sent: 09 December 2008 14:43
To: ILLSLEY, Eric
Subject: As someone who pays your salary...
Dear Sir,

As someone who pays your salary I find it rather disappointing that you are raising an Early Day Motion regarding an incident in the recent football match between Barnsley and Sheffield United.

This may have passed you by but the global economy is currently in the grip of its gravest crisis since the 1930’s. Unemployment is up. GDP is down. Government borrowing and reposessions are going through the roof. High street names like Wollworths and MFI face bankruptcy. Our soldiers are still in Iraq and face a worsening situation in Afghanistan. We have horrendous stories of crimes committed against the most vulnerable in our society and issues raised by these as to the current state of our social services.

Given this set of challenging circumstances it is frankly beyond belief that you are wasting your own, and Parliaments time, in striking some macho 'man of the people' pose in front of your constituents.

I have absoluetly no issue with you wasting your own time. But as a voter and taxpaying member of the public, by extension one of your 50 odd million bosses, I wish you would focus on the momentous job in hand rather than grubbing around for a few votes. If I spent my time wasting my employers resources on things that are utterly irrelevant to the job Im employed to do, I would expect a telling off. Consider this yours.

Its not what I pay you for so Id ask you to stop it.

Yours sincerely,

John Phelan (taxpayer)

That must have felt sooo good hitting the send button.
 

Dingle MP who tabled House of Commons anti-Chris Morgan motion is banged up

Former MP Eric Illsley jailed for expenses fraud

By Sam Marsden and James Edgar, PA

Thursday, 10 February 2011

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Eric Illsley leaves Southwark Crown Court after his hearing

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Disgraced former Labour MP Eric Illsley has been jailed for 12 months

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A former Labour MP was jailed today and a second is facing a prison sentence after both were convicted of fiddling their parliamentary expenses.

Eric Illsley, 55, was jailed for 12 months for dishonestly obtaining some £14,500 of taxpayers' money and Jim Devine, 57, was found guilty of making false claims worth more than £8,000.

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Illsley, who stood down this week as the MP for Barnsley Central, received an average of £100 a week more than he was entitled over a three-year period.

His fraud only came to an end when the Commons authorities changed their rules to require MPs to provide receipts for all claims over £25.

Devine, the former Labour MP for Livingston in Scotland, was convicted of two charges of false accounting after he submitted false invoices for cleaning and printing work totalling £8,385.

A jury at London's Southwark Crown Court agreed with the prosecution that he showed a "woeful inadequacy" in abiding by the principles of selflessness, integrity and honesty expected of MPs.

Illsley became the first sitting member of Parliament convicted of expenses fraud when he pleaded guilty last month to three counts of false accounting relating to expenses on his London second home.

Despite huge pressure he did not quit as an MP until Tuesday night, and is believed to have received about £5,400 from his £65,000-a-year parliamentary salary since admitting the offences.

The former MP admitted to probation officers that he did not need the extra money he falsely claimed and attributed his actions to greed, Southwark Crown Court heard today.

Illsley dishonestly received about £14,500 of public money between May 2005 and April 2008 by inflating or inventing claims relating to his second home in Dryden Court, Renfrew Road, Kennington, south London.

Over this period MPs only had to provide receipts for expenses claims over £250, but this amount was cut to £25 in April 2008.

Prosecutor Peter Wright QC said there was a "dramatic reduction" in the amount Illsley claimed after this time.

Passing sentence, Mr Justice Saunders said Illsley bore a small but significant part of the responsibility for the public's loss of faith in MPs following the expenses scandal.

He said: "These offences were committed in breach of what was the high degree of trust placed in MPs by the authorities in the House of Commons only to make honest claims.

"Beyond that, the commission of the offences which came to light as a result of the police investigation into parliamentary expenses has tarnished the reputation of politicians and Parliament.

"It is vital that people feel able to trust our legislators and their use of public funds."

William Coker QC, mitigating, said Illsley had suffered from the "publicity, the humiliation and the shame" of the expenses scandal.

He said: "If you apply a matter of simple physics, the higher a man is when he falls, the harder he hits the ground."

Illsley, of Westmoor Crescent, Pogmoor, Barnsley, South Yorkshire, showed little reaction as he was sentenced.

Wearing a charcoal suit, white shirt and a blue tie with red spots, he waved over his shoulder to a friend in the public gallery as he was taken down to the cells.

Illsley is expected to start his sentence in Wandsworth Prison in south London, but could be released after three months under early release rules for non-violent prisoners who pose a low risk.

Devine, of West Main Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, who was the first MP to stand trial over the expenses scandal, will be sentenced at a later date.

Former Tory peer Lord Taylor of Warwick, 58, is also awaiting sentence after being found guilty by a jury last month of falsely claiming more than £11,000 from the public purse for travel and overnight subsistence between March 2006 and October 2007.

He told the House of Lords members' expenses office that his main residence was in Oxford when he actually lived in west London.

Former Labour MP David Chaytor, 61, last month became the first person to be jailed over the expenses scandal.

He was given an 18-month sentence after admitting he forged tenancy documents and invoices to falsely claim more than £22,000 of taxpayers' money from House of Commons authorities for rent and IT work.

Former Scunthorpe Labour MP Elliot Morley and former Tory peer Lord Hanningfield are due to stand trial over their expenses in the coming months.


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Can't find the words to describe how disgusting it is that the fat prick continued to draw a wage after admitting his guilt.
 
This line made me laugh though....

A jury at London's Southwark Crown Court agreed with the prosecution that he showed a "woeful inadequacy" in abiding by the principles of selflessness, integrity and honesty expected of MPs.
 
William Coker QC, mitigating, said Illsley had suffered from the "publicity, the humiliation and the shame" of the expenses scandal.

He said: "If you apply a matter of simple physics, the higher a man is when he falls, the harder he hits the ground."

Not actually true. If you drop a 2p coin from the top of the Eiffel Tower the coin will not continue accelerating until it hits the ground. It accelerates until it reaches Terminal Velocity, the point at which the 2p coin has accumulated all the velocity it will and will accelerate no further. So, if a coin reaches Terminal Velocity after, say, 50 feet, a coin dropped from the top of the Eiffel Tower (1,063 ft) will hit the ground at the same speed, and, thus, as hard, as a coin dropped from the top of the Empire State Building (1,454 ft).

Thus, Mr Illsley would hit the ground as hard if he threw himself off the top of either. Just a thought.
 
And given that his starting point was underneath a rock on the banks of the River Dearne, he's never going to reach terminal velocity.

Perhaps the prosecution should have pointed out that he never really enjoyed the moral high ground, so any fall was only a short-lived affair.
 
Will be interesting to see if the Tory peer gets a custodial sentence and is treated the same as have the other two guilty Labour MPs who have been sentenced.
 
What I find more vile is the twat who who sent hundreds of soldiers to their deaths because of "weapons of mass destruction".
Then he goes off and earns millions per annum through various companies he has set up ,yet only two of his companies have filed accounts !!
It makes great reading some of the stunts Blair has pulled since leaving office.
I hate that man so much. How many people fell for the cheesy grin and voted for him,well not me i'm delighted to say.
But you look at what Islley has done and he is an angel compared to a lot of politicians from all parties.
I have only ever voted once in my life and that was due to peer pressure.
The majority of politicians and world leaders are the most corrupt people in existance.
Alright Alien's pissed and angry.... night all ;-)
 
What I find more vile is the twat who who sent hundreds of soldiers to their deaths because of "weapons of mass destruction".
Then he goes off and earns millions per annum through various companies he has set up ,yet only two of his companies have filed accounts !!
It makes great reading some of the stunts Blair has pulled since leaving office.
I hate that man so much. How many people fell for the cheesy grin and voted for him,well not me i'm delighted to say.
But you look at what Islley has done and he is an angel compared to a lot of politicians from all parties.
I have only ever voted once in my life and that was due to peer pressure.
The majority of politicians and world leaders are the most corrupt people in existance.
Alright Alien's pissed and angry.... night all ;-)

Well good for you for taking the moral high ground. Please continue to live your life pure.
personally with an attitude that says Eric Illsley is an angel then i thank god your not on our judiciary.
Its also great that Saddam has gone and likewise Mubarak- both people oppressors and freedom deniers. Hopefully others will follow so people can express their points on free foums like this.
Perhaps this thread should be in general chat - although the starter related it to Blades, it seems to be going elsewhere.
 
Well good for you for taking the moral high ground. Please continue to live your life pure.
personally with an attitude that says Eric Illsley is an angel then i thank god your not on our judiciary.
Its also great that Saddam has gone and likewise Mubarak- both people oppressors and freedom deniers. Hopefully others will follow so people can express their points on free foums like this.
Perhaps this thread should be in general chat - although the starter related it to Blades, it seems to be going elsewhere.

Where did I say Illsley is an angel. He deserves prison .What I was saying is the majority of mps are corrupt. So don't patronise me with the pure life shit.
 
fooking disgrace ........................................ he will be out in a few months ....write a book and grab the £££££££'s ...... AGAIN !
 

Really? How so?

Sorry I meant thay are all Virtuous people and never make expense claims for things the everyday folk can't get away with. And i'm sure you will never hear of anymore political corruption ever again.
So don't worry John.
 
Where did I say Illsley is an angel. He deserves prison .What I was saying is the majority of mps are corrupt. So don't patronise me with the pure life shit.

The other poster pointed that out.
Bollox. most mp's are not. I dislike Ca -Moron but i would suggest that he believes he is doing the right thing. I could however suggest that he is going for short term aim instead for the benefit of his party rather than his countries long term needs.That dont make him corrupt just misguided.
I would like you to explain how you believe Tony Blair was going to benefit from sending our forces in to Iraq? No long or short term gain to him personally just the fact that a dictator is removed who should have been removed in 1991.
But the people are a lot more free and getting freer. But hey NIMBY apeasement type policy we should go with is your personal choice, not mine.
 
Bollox. most mp's are not. I dislike Ca -Moron but i would suggest that he believes he is doing the right thing. I could however suggest that he is going for short term aim instead for the benefit of his party rather than his countries long term needs.That dont make him corrupt just misguided.

Or for the benefit of his friends and his type of people over the country's long term needs. If policies are being introduced at the behest of the people that paid for his successful election campaign then you have to wonder if it's really "what he thinks is right" or if it's just plain old corruption.
 
Sorry I meant thay are all Virtuous people and never make expense claims for things the everyday folk can't get away with. And i'm sure you will never hear of anymore political corruption ever again.
So don't worry John.

Steady on chap... Just thought 'majority' was a pretty bold statement.
 
Sorry I meant thay are all Virtuous people and never make expense claims for things the everyday folk can't get away with. And i'm sure you will never hear of anymore political corruption ever again.
So don't worry John.

oh come on alien, hes a vile horrible man, as was evident in his correspondence with several blades over the morgan issue. he fiddled thousands of pounds knowingly, through lies, not mistakes, privilege etc... to wait until the day before sentencing to resign to ensure he gets paid up to the day he goes to prison? the last greedy act of a dispicable, horrible little man.
 
Or for the benefit of his friends and his type of people over the country's long term needs. If policies are being introduced at the behest of the people that paid for his successful election campaign then you have to wonder if it's really "what he thinks is right" or if it's just plain old corruption.

Maybe then I was too nice in my assessnent and he's just another self interested tory twat.

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Sorry I meant thay are all Virtuous people and never make expense claims for things the everyday folk can't get away with. And i'm sure you will never hear of anymore political corruption ever again.
So don't worry John.

Sounds like your one of these 'everyday folk' and your a bit jealous and anoyed that they sometimes get away with these scandalas acts, or maybe you just don't get away with as much.
 
Maybe then I was too nice in my assessnent and he's just another self interested tory twat.

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Sounds like your one of these 'everyday folk' and your a bit jealous and anoyed that they sometimes get away with these scandalas acts, or maybe you just don't get away with as much.

Don't you worry yourself about me Boo, I am doing just fine thank you. I certainly don't need to be jealous of anyone and i'm not really sure why you implied that I was.
And can I clear up one thing. I did not state that Islley was an angel. What I said was ,that compared to the "weapons of mass destruction" liar then he was an angel.
I did not mean that he was an angel,but I am sure you know what I meant.
One more thing ,the term you need to use is you're,as in "you're stupid and i'm not". It's not your stupid, because if you wrote it like that then you, would look stupid.
Alien - happy to help.
UTB
 
Don't you worry yourself about me Boo, I am doing just fine thank you. I certainly don't need to be jealous of anyone and i'm not really sure why you implied that I was.
And can I clear up one thing. I did not state that Islley was an angel. What I said was ,that compared to the "weapons of mass destruction" liar then he was an angel.
I did not mean that he was an angel,but I am sure you know what I meant.
One more thing ,the term you need to use is you're,as in "you're stupid and i'm not". It's not your stupid, because if you wrote it like that then you, would look stupid.
Alien - happy to help.
UTB
Eh Thats unbelievably ---- No.
By the way did Tony Blair get done for purgery- No therefore he has commited no criminal act Unlike the ANGEL you wish to compare him with.
Just calrifying a point of law.
Happy to help.
 
Eh Thats unbelievably ---- No.
By the way did Tony Blair get done for purgery- No therefore he has commited no criminal act Unlike the ANGEL you wish to compare him with.
Just calrifying a point of law.
Happy to help.

Good old Tony Blair bless him.
Just remind me which dictator he can be seen hugging and shaking hands with on tv screens all over the world tonight.
Shame that's not classed as a criminal act in itself.
 

Good old Tony Blair bless him.
Just remind me which dictator he can be seen hugging and shaking hands with on tv screens all over the world tonight.
Shame that's not classed as a criminal act in itself.

Indeed, the same dictator that countless leaders of our country embraced over many decades.
Now lets see if our present leaders continue to embrace the Saudi royal family. because at the moment they are. If that regime were to start to crumble and its dictatorship start to fall at what point will they start to distance themselves from it.
Have you noticed the very careful language used so far towards the few friends we have in the middle east who have been effected by these popular uprisings? maybe as appossed to the language used towards Libyan leaders?

I'm curious, which dictators have you seen My Blair shaking hands with?
He has shook hands with Muburak and Gaddafi. All in the name of fighting the war on terror. Now please tell me which world leaders of any nation do you hold as so upstanding as they have guided their country on a moral crusade of peace love and harmony. Or maybe just maybe every leader of another nation will work for that nation rather than the perfect idealistic world you and everyone else would like to see.
 

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