email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

[Sean Thornton]

In order to heed fans wishes, and to provide a special experience for Easter, Catering has been upgraded in The South Stand, John Street and all Bramall Lane Upper, inc Corner.

Main Courses​

Salmon Dressed in Champagne​

(c.1716)
Asparagus, parsley, caviar & seaweed butter

£56.00

Powdered Duck Breast​

(c.1846)
Roast & pickled beetroot, spiced umbles

£58.00

Chicken Cooked With Lettuces​

(c.1670)
Grilled onion emulsion, spiced celeriac & oyster leaves
£56.00

Roast Cod & Green Sauce​

(c.1440)
Braised chicory, parsley, pepper, onion & eucalyptus
£58.00

Buttered Asparagus​

(c.1821)
Pink Fir Potato, peas, lovage & mushroom dressing
£48.00

Hereford Ribeye​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£62.00

Fillet of Hereford Beef​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£64.00

Hereford Prime Rib for 2​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£128.00
(Our cuts of beef are dry aged for a minimum of 21 days and cooked over wood and charcoal embers)

Side Orders​

Carrots & caraway​

£8.00

New potatoes​

£8.00

Buttered cabbage & onions​

£8.00

Mixed leaf salad​

£8.00

Triple cooked chips​

£9.00

You will see there is even a choice for the hand holders.


On offer on the Kop

Chips.

Chip Butty

Chips and Coke

Chips and Meth

Chips and extra leg room

Dress code - all gentlemen are requested to have a shaven head

 

[Dkc]

I'm fairly certain is because of people wanting to stand, not that they want to sit it that part of he kop - which is a fairly shitty, misplaced standing zone.

\The core of the problem is the ageing population that insist (tyes, it;s their right) on sitting in areas of the groujnd where peopel are stood in many other football grounds. They take ofence at peope who wanb tto stand, so the standers have flocked to an eare where it's accepted - but then this has led to overpopulating these areas.

The club should declare a signing zone at the back, ventre of te kop. The carboard cutouts would then move on, allowing for this to happen.

Apologies to those (like me) who've "sat in that seat for 20 years", etc. But your time is up.

....puts tin hat on.......

You're probably right, but it was like that before the kop became all-seater. Back when it was terracing the noisiest area with the most hardcore fans had always been the top of the kop, John St side (A-F). I imagine that's how it has been at the Lane for over a century. You can't snuff out such a longstanding tradition overnight. If it wants a long term solution the club needs to engage with these fans. Not by issuing a statement, but by holding a public meeting and listening to all views and potential solutions. Many fans are pissed off at being told what to do - especially when there is no major safety issue that anyone can see.

 

[alcoblade]

You're probably right, but it was like that before the kop became all-seater. Back when it was terracing the noisiest area with the most hardcore fans had always been the top of the kop, John St side (A-F). I imagine that's how it has been at the Lane for over a century. You can't snuff out such a longstanding tradition overnight. If it wants a long term solution the club needs to engage with these fans. Not by issuing a statement, but by holding a public meeting and listening to all views and potential solutions. Many fans are pissed off at being told what to do - especially when there is no major safety issue that anyone can see.

That's not my experience fella - the singing was at the back center of the kop pre seating, and for years after- I stood there, now I sit there. There's definitely been a movement of people towards the John Street side over the last decade- it's exactly what my son's done, for the reasons I stated above - though he moved his seat. And I've witnessed it many times over - many people have followed this route.

It's got worse over the last few years, because most of the seats are now occupied, so people end up standing where other people should be.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Because there are never tickets available in my place. It's probably the most popular area of the ground, and the only place where fans sing throughout the game.

There are no tickets available but you manage to stand in an allocated seat space - on your own - every game ?

Mmmm.

 

[alcoblade]

In order to heed fans wishes, and to provide a special experience for Easter, Catering has been upgraded in The South Stand, John Street and all Bramall Lane Upper, inc Corner.

Main Courses​

Salmon Dressed in Champagne​

(c.1716)
Asparagus, parsley, caviar & seaweed butter

£56.00

Powdered Duck Breast​

(c.1846)
Roast & pickled beetroot, spiced umbles

£58.00

Chicken Cooked With Lettuces​

(c.1670)
Grilled onion emulsion, spiced celeriac & oyster leaves
£56.00

Roast Cod & Green Sauce​

(c.1440)
Braised chicory, parsley, pepper, onion & eucalyptus
£58.00

Buttered Asparagus​

(c.1821)
Pink Fir Potato, peas, lovage & mushroom dressing
£48.00

Hereford Ribeye​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£62.00

Fillet of Hereford Beef​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£64.00

Hereford Prime Rib for 2​

(c.1830)
Mushroom ketchup & triple cooked chips
£128.00
(Our cuts of beef are dry aged for a minimum of 21 days and cooked over wood and charcoal embers)

Side Orders​

Carrots & caraway​

£8.00

New potatoes​

£8.00

Buttered cabbage & onions​

£8.00

Mixed leaf salad​

£8.00

Triple cooked chips​

£9.00

You will see there is even a choice for the hand holders.


On offer on the Kop

Chips.

Chip Butty

Chips and Coke

Chips and Meth

Chips and extra leg room

Dress code - all gentlemen are requested to have a shaven head

That kop menu sounds magic.

 

[Dkc]

This just shows (like it or not) a standing section is needed and would be a better for these issues occurring and the atmosphere

This has been discussed at length on the 'email from the club' thread. It would be very expensive and pointless if the kop is to be re-developed. It wouldn't provide any additional income for the club, so any owner who isn't a Blade would just see it as money being wasted. I think I read that it would cost millions to do properly..

If we achieve promotion I do hope that whoever owns the club can be persuaded to get it done though. It would definitely improve the atmosphere and hopefully allow us to operate the kop at full capacity.
The problem of overcrowding at the top is definitely because so many people prefer to stand. If safe standing was introduced at the top for the entire kop, this would go a long way to solving the issue.

 

[reedy63]

The chips must be greasy though.

 

[alcoblade]

This has been discussed at length on the 'email from the club' thread. It would be very expensive and pointless if the kop is to be re-developed. It wouldn't provide any additional income for the club, so any owner who isn't a Blade would just see it as money being wasted. I think I read that it would cost millions to do properly..

If we achieve promotion I do hope that whoever owns the club can be persuaded to get it done though. It would definitely improve the atmosphere and hopefully allow us to operate the kop at full capacity.
The problem of overcrowding at the top is definitely because so many people prefer to stand. If safe standing was introduced at the top for the entire kop, this would go a long way to solving the issue.

If they declared a large section a singing section, those who insisted on sitting would get the message, without the club declaring it "standing zone" - which obviously they couldn't. That would solve the problem, in my opinion.

 

[reedy63]

In the cup games Spurs and Blackburn.the top seven rows at the back of the kop.were cordoned off. when the season ends. Rip all those seats out and make it a safe standing area. then everyone would be happy seats if you want to sit. stand if you want to stand up.

 

[jt64]

In the cup games Spurs and Blackburn.the top seven rows at the back of the kop.were cordoned off. when the season ends. Rip all those seats out and make it a safe standing area. then everyone would be happy seats if you want to sit. stand if you want to stand up.

Given other threads, it is not quite so simple as that, the Kop's rake or some other fundamental thing that can't be cheaply changed is inadequate to install rail seating

 

[reedy63]

I agree with you dint think about the rake of the kop.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Given other threads, it is not quite so simple as that, the Kop's rake or some other fundamental thing that can't be cheaply changed is inadequate to install rail seating

The rake is similar to when it was standing so I'm sure safe standing would be fine

 

[alcoblade]

The rake is similar to when it was standing

The regulations probably wont be though.

 

[Foxy]

An update 04/04 - :

Good afternoon all, thanks to your support, assistance and guidance on the issues relating to the back of the Kop, with regards to migration and obstruction of the stairwells, we’ve got to a position where we can share some good news.

For ease and speed, I’ve listed the following in bullet-point form in order for you to get the message out to supporters.

• From the Wigan game (7 April) we are once again selling match tickets on the Kop. We had previously stopped selling around 1500 tickets – we have put 750 on sale for forthcoming games and will review with Sheffield City Council (SCC) and the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA)
• All parties have seen improved conduct and we feel it is a demonstration of the collaboration with supporters groups who showed an interest late last year when we asked for assistance
• The stewarding plan / enhanced ticket checking will remain in place and may have to become a permanent fixture if we are to return to 100 per cent capacity
• Meetings with the SCC and SGSA have been positive and have recognised the steps the club (with the aid of the supporters groups) have taken with regards to messaging and action
• The SGSA still want the club to work on the persistent standing aspect but recognise the work done so far to reduce migration and obstruction of the stairwells
• The aim now is to get the Kop back to full capacity before the end of the season and there will be reviews over the next couple of weeks with regards to this if supporter conduct continues to improve

This is a positive step and for clarity, I’m happy for you all to share all or some of the contents of this email to pass on to supporters.

This has been a fantastic collaboration between club and supporters and hopefully we can do more in the future for the benefit of Sheffield United Football Club.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The SGSA still want the club to work on the persistent standing aspect
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And there we have it.

Still, good news the rules have been relaxed and tickets can be sold again.

 

[247Blade]

The chips must be greasy though.

Be happy if they were cooked and hot ... just don't buy this shit catering!

 

[Stand United]

Given other threads, it is not quite so simple as that, the Kop's rake or some other fundamental thing that can't be cheaply changed is inadequate to install rail seating

This comes up a lot on here, but there doesn’t seem to be evidence that the rake is an issue. The club, following encouragement, had one assessment done of the Kop last autumn. The barriers to doing anything on this right now are mainly financial, but since the autumn are inevitably reliant on the Kop migration issue being sorted.

 

[jt64]

This comes up a lot on here, but there doesn’t seem to be evidence that the rake is an issue. The club, following encouragement, had one assessment done of the Kop last autumn. The barriers to doing anything on this right now are mainly financial, but since the autumn are inevitably reliant on the Kop migration issue being sorted.

If not just rake, then some combination of issues with the existing infrastructure which makes putting in rail seats neither trivial nor cheap compared to other grounds, or even other areas of the same ground. May have been something to do with spacing between rows being insufficient or similar. Also, given that I read here (might have been from yourself) that a requirement of licensing is that away fans can have the same, presumably we'd need to put some in the BLLT as well

 

[corner_flag]

Thanks for the head's up!

 

[RammyBlade]

My normal routine is to buy a ticket anywhere on the kop then stand at the top of E above the top exit (not sharing a seat).

If I were going I'd consider sitting or standing somewhere else, away from the 'problem area'. You can be sure that SAG and the club will be keeping a keen eye on how crowded it gets up there. They might even be checking tickets on the entrances to A-E.

Problem is, many people have a similar routine to mine, and it's hard to change the habit of a lifetime. I've been standing in virtually the same place on the Kop for 45 years.

Unfortunately that is part of the problem - you need to sit in the seat that you bought or we will continue to have this problem with limited sales of seats and possibly even closure

 

[Stand United]

If not just rake, then some combination of issues with the existing infrastructure which makes putting in rail seats neither trivial nor cheap compared to other grounds, or even other areas of the same ground. May have been something to do with spacing between rows being insufficient or similar. Also, given that I read here (might have been from yourself) that a requirement of licensing is that away fans can have the same, presumably we'd need to put some in the BLLT as well

Bottom line: there’s enough spacing on the rows if we were to go with a slimline design of rail seat, as we saw at Loftus Road back in January. There would have to be some in the away end too to be able to license the areas as standing.

If you’re interested in reading more, we’ve some FAQs here: https://www.standunited.uk/faqs

 

[BLADES1988]

We just need an IQ test as part of the ticket purchasing procedure.

 

[Sheffsteel]

The SGSA still want the club to work on the persistent standing aspect
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What does "wants the club to work on" and "persistent standing" actually mean?
Thought the issue was 3 people standing where there's 2 seats and crowding around the gangways?

There will always be almost constant standing at the back of the Kop, same as there's almost constant standing at away matches.
If everyone is allocated to their seats and no one is complaining then what is the problem?
What next.....no chanting or singing unless their team scores or comes close to scoring.

Think it's more of a power trip. Once a group have power, they like to flex their muscles and don't want to give it back.

However agree, at least common sense has been shown, it makes sense to reward the club for the progress that has been made.

 

[Koh Samui Blade]

Because there are never tickets available in my place. It's probably the most popular area of the ground, and the only place where fans sing throughout the game.

There must have been tkts available over the last 45years!!!!!

 

[bladesmanluke]

If getting back to full capacity depends on tackling persistent standing then we have a new full capacity

 

[Maidenhead]

We just need an IQ test as part of the ticket purchasing procedure.

In which case Dkc Would blast past most on here.

He's a super intelligent guy who just occasionally allows his strong willpower to override his sense of reason

 

[Sheffsteel]

If getting back to full capacity depends on tackling persistent standing then we have a new full capacity

Agree but it’s discriminatory.

What other clubs are forced to reduce capacities due to persistent standing from home fans.

And if this rule is so important then why is it ignored when away fans continuously stand.

I’ve never heard of any clubs being forced to ban away fans for persistent standing.

 

[Stand United]

What does "wants the club to work on" and "persistent standing" actually mean?

In fairness, the SGSA wants every club to work on persistent standing.

 

[wak1889]

I'm fairly certain is because of people wanting to stand - not that they want to sit in that part of the kop - which is a fairly shitty, misplaced standing zone.

The core of the problem is the ageing population that insist (yes, it's their right) on sitting in areas of the ground where people are stood in many other football grounds. They take offence at people who want to stand, so the standers have flocked to an area where it's accepted - but then this has led to overpopulating these areas.

The club should declare a signing zone at the back, centre of the kop. The carboard cutouts would then move on, allowing for this to happen.

Apologies to those (like me) who've "sat in that seat for 20 years", etc. But your time is up.

....puts tin hat on.......

Would you have to know sign language to be in the signing zone ? And would it necessarily improve the atmosphere enough

 

[Dkc]

So the kop remains 750 seats below full capacity, will games coming up that will be sell-outs. That's still at least 25k worth of sales lost for most home games.