email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

[Sean Thornton]

Not sure what point you're ment to be making? 5 rows? As usual those at the back were making MORE noise than everyone else. There just isn't enough of us.

So it’s not just the old farts who sit comatose in the seats that shouldn’t be theirs? It’s a lack of the True Believers.

You really are all over the place FB98. You seem that triggered l can imagine Roy Rogers riding you around the streets singing Home, home on the Kop, where the seats should be allocated as l demand. Something something 1889……

 

[Sean Thornton]

Did I just dream it or did we have one on the Kop about 10 years ago. Loads of youth were allocated a patch and spent one game doing that song Palace do.

Never seen again.

Sad all over?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I don't see one

Why is that no surprise?
Hint:
“small ……small impact”

“There just isn’t enough of us”

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Unless the seat holder has gone for a piss/pint/pie/charlie, when the seat allocation check takes place.

Or just uses the above as an escape clause when the club sends a letter.

I think electronic tagging of everyone on the Kop is the only way forward, then the club can produce a heat map for each individual showing whether or not he/she/other has been contravening the rules.

Appears that the Shirecliffe sniper may be soon available, at least for the short term?

 

[Tom Bott]

Though when the undersoil heating gets turned on those new pitches, he (?) may wish to stay there to keep warm.

 

[Gerritforud]

Jeez! Can we just cut to the chase now, please!
Improving the atmosphere is paramount!? Fuck anyone else! You're all part-timers and need proper 80s style kicking!
Disagree and you must be a grunter!

 

[Inter_blade83]

No point engaging. The idea a shit gangway to the side miles away would get things going like a clearout in the back middle of main stand & the multiplier effect that would have is seriously ridiculous but you already know that.

Hang on, didn't you say that most people singing are on the John Street side... just move to the other side where there's more room. Easy.

 

[reedy63]

Everyone whose seat is in row AF stand on the seat. never been a problem no one has ever got hurt as far as I know. otherwise, all you get to see is the back of the head of the person in the row in front.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Everyone whose seat is in row AF stand on the seat. never been a problem no one has ever got hurt as far as I know. otherwise, all you get to see is the back of the head of the person in the row in front.

Aye
Do you think anyone suggested similar about Leppings Lane < 1986?

 

[ForgeBlade]

"Business as worse than usual" ment worst than before the restrictions.

My solution as stated many times would be to stop allowing people to renew their tickets in their current seat & telling people if they don't want to make any noise stop buying seats near the back. Would allow everyone to buy tickets with mates in an area that suits them meaning more space for people to stand up in the seat they bought & improve the atmosphere enormously.
Thats the only solution I've seen other than "just sit in your seat"

Seriously? Your solution to the problem being caused by people NOT sitting in their allocated seats, is to stop the people who DO sit in their allocated seats, many of who have had those seats for years or even decades, and count the people around them as friends, from renewing their season tickets?

Counter-plan: BUY A TICKET FOR THE MATCH AND SIT (or stand if it's appropriate) IN/AT THE SEAT ON YOUR TICKET.

It's not fucking rocket science is it?

 

[Dkc]

Seriously? Your solution to the problem being caused by people NOT sitting in their allocated seats, is to stop the people who DO sit in their allocated seats, many of who have had those seats for years or even decades, and count the people around them as friends, from renewing their season tickets?

Counter-plan: BUY A TICKET FOR THE MATCH AND SIT (or stand if it's appropriate) IN/AT THE SEAT ON YOUR TICKET.

It's not fucking rocket science is it?

As has been explained many times before, it's not that simple. Writing in capital letters doesn't alter the fact that many of our younger fans won't spend the match seated, alone in Block A when they normally stand up with their mates at the top of G.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

As has been explained many times before, it's not that simple. Writing in capital letters doesn't alter the fact that many of our younger fans won't spend the match seated, alone in Block A when they normally stand up with their mates at the top of G.

Aye
And as has been “explained” many many times afore the solitary lonely fragile fuckwits will end up with nowhere to stand within the kop, or potentially the entire ground even if they stamp their petulant feet & scweem & scweem until they spew

 

[Cheesebored]

Aye
Do you think anyone suggested similar about Leppings Lane < 1986?

What happened in 1986 to change people's minds?

 

[reedy63]

Leppings lane was overcrowded where everyone was standing nowt to with seating.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

What happened in 1986 to change people's minds?

Don't do that

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

What happened in 1986 to change people's minds?

1st reports of concerns surrounding ‘crushing’ / ‘overcrowding’that suggested / indicated the area was unsafe / dangerous

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Leppings lane was overcrowded where everyone was standing nowt to with seating.

Indeed but there were plenty of folk attending games (not just there) that were blasé about (or even ignored) safety advice /guidance/ instruction - to a certain extent that carnage could have happened anywhere

 

[Cheesebored]

1st reports of concerns surrounding ‘crushing’ / ‘overcrowding’that suggested / indicated the area was unsafe / dangerous

Incidents of crushing on leppings lane pre date 1986 by some considerable time.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Incidents of crushing on leppings lane pre date 1986 by some considerable time.

Aye
But to my understanding the issue was only (semi) recognised / (semi) officially in 86 ? but happy to be corrected
I guess my point was /is the comment
“[Everyone whose seat is in row AF stand on the seat] never been a problem no one has ever got hurt as far as I know”

The ‘concerns’ precipitating the restrictions on the kop (including standing on seats !) are intended to ensure (minimise) that there will never be a problem & that no one will ever
get hurt.
Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it can’t / won’t

 

[Sheffsteel]

Incidents of crushing on leppings lane pre date 1986 by some considerable time.

I understand there was almost a crushing disaster outside Leppings Lane at the Spurs v Wolves semi final in 1981.

The problem was during the 70’s and 80’s a certain level of crushing was quite normal at matches.
There didn’t seem to be any health and safety, seen our fans climb up floodlights too.

I’ve been involved in crushing at some United away matches and at the time there was zero sense of panic or danger.
In fact some were having a laugh about it. Used to think if you were small or elderly it must have been frightening but some loved the risk of danger.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I understand there was almost a crushing disaster outside Leppings Lane at the Spurs v Wolves semi final in 1981.

The problem was during the 70’s and 80’s a certain level of crushing was quite normal at matches.
There didn’t seem to be any health and safety, seen our fans climb up floodlights too.

I’ve been involved in crushing at some United away matches and at the time there was zero sense of panic or danger.
In fact some were having a laugh about it. Used to think if you were small or elderly it must have been frightening but some loved the risk of danger.

Aye
& some (including myself) didn’t even think there was any risk or danger .
‘Away day’ routine usually involved getting to destination afore opening time, sometimes after an ‘all night lock in’, sup solidly (& swiftly) 10:30. - 15:00, chuck down the 2 pints procured @ last orders ( the ‘halcyon’ days of 3 o’clock closing) prior to jostling shoving (& occasionally more) at the turnstile- this ‘frenzy’ could be exacerbated by hearing a goal being scored, seeking shelter in inclement weather or emptying the bladder (again) amongst other things. On reflection it’s incredible there weren’t (serious) injuries , or worse.

Recall the lad who climbed the floodlight @ Huddersfield was revered as an icon whilst up there & ‘egged on’ with his antics by Blades below as he was severely irritating the polis.

Shred, as you would expect, had his own unique approach to being expected to queue amongst his fellow ‘latecomers’
Arrived @ Oxford (Manor Ground) after kick off only to learn that the away entrance involves a hike through / around a housing estate - he thinks ‘fuck that’ & goes in ‘home end’ immediately in front of him. We don’t have the bottle to emulate him so traipse off to the ‘proper’ entrance missing (another) 20 minutes of the game.
Half time (?) Shred makes himself known to powers that be as an (befuddled) infiltrator’ & receives an escort down the side of the pitch to the away end with accompanying rousing reception :-
Eza Blade & eza Blade

Ahh , nostalgia , it’s not what it used to be

 

[Karaoke Blade]

I understand there was almost a crushing disaster outside Leppings Lane at the Spurs v Wolves semi final in 1981.

The problem was during the 70’s and 80’s a certain level of crushing was quite normal at matches.
There didn’t seem to be any health and safety, seen our fans climb up floodlights too.

I’ve been involved in crushing at some United away matches and at the time there was zero sense of panic or danger.
In fact some were having a laugh about it. Used to think if you were small or elderly it must have been frightening but some loved the risk of danger.

I nearly got crushed exiting the BLLT at a Chelsea match. (No segregation in those days). A terrifying experience for a young kid. After that I'd stay until the crowds cleared.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Aye
& some (including myself) didn’t even think there was any risk or danger .
‘Away day’ routine usually involved getting to destination afore opening time, sometimes after an ‘all night lock in’, sup solidly (& swiftly) 10:30. - 15:00, chuck down the 2 pints procured @ last orders ( the ‘halcyon’ days of 3 o’clock closing) prior to jostling shoving (& occasionally more) at the turnstile- this ‘frenzy’ could be exacerbated by hearing a goal being scored, seeking shelter in inclement weather or emptying the bladder (again) amongst other things. On reflection it’s incredible there weren’t (serious) injuries , or worse.

Recall the lad who climbed the floodlight @ Huddersfield was revered as an icon whilst up there & ‘egged on’ with his antics by Blades below as he was severely irritating the polis.

Shred, as you would expect, had his own unique approach to being expected to queue amongst his fellow ‘latecomers’
Arrived @ Oxford (Manor Ground) after kick off only to learn that the away entrance involves a hike through / around a housing estate - he thinks ‘fuck that’ & goes in ‘home end’ immediately in front of him. We don’t have the bottle to emulate him so traipse off to the ‘proper’ entrance missing (another) 20 minutes of the game.
Half time (?) Shred makes himself known to powers that be as an (befuddled) infiltrator’ & receives an escort down the side of the pitch to the away end with accompanying rousing reception :-
Eza Blade & eza Blade

Ahh , nostalgia , it’s not what it used to be

Ah the memories !

 

[ancientblade]

Aye
& some (including myself) didn’t even think there was any risk or danger .
‘Away day’ routine usually involved getting to destination afore opening time, sometimes after an ‘all night lock in’, sup solidly (& swiftly) 10:30. - 15:00, chuck down the 2 pints procured @ last orders ( the ‘halcyon’ days of 3 o’clock closing) prior to jostling shoving (& occasionally more) at the turnstile- this ‘frenzy’ could be exacerbated by hearing a goal being scored, seeking shelter in inclement weather or emptying the bladder (again) amongst other things. On reflection it’s incredible there weren’t (serious) injuries , or worse.

Recall the lad who climbed the floodlight @ Huddersfield was revered as an icon whilst up there & ‘egged on’ with his antics by Blades below as he was severely irritating the polis.

Shred, as you would expect, had his own unique approach to being expected to queue amongst his fellow ‘latecomers’
Arrived @ Oxford (Manor Ground) after kick off only to learn that the away entrance involves a hike through / around a housing estate - he thinks ‘fuck that’ & goes in ‘home end’ immediately in front of him. We don’t have the bottle to emulate him so traipse off to the ‘proper’ entrance missing (another) 20 minutes of the game.
Half time (?) Shred makes himself known to powers that be as an (befuddled) infiltrator’ & receives an escort down the side of the pitch to the away end with accompanying rousing reception :-
Eza Blade & eza Blade

Ahh , nostalgia , it’s not what it used to be

that was cooperman up the pylon at udders wasnt it ?

 

[Rooks]

that was cooperman up the pylon at udders wasnt it ?

I think it was a bloke called Brian.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

that was cooperman up the pylon at udders wasnt it ?

Not sure
I DO know he was a chuffin long way up !

 

[Dkc]

Fans had been standing for a hundred years since 1986. Yes there had been a couple of tragic crushes (Burnden, Hampden) but remarkably few given the number of people who stood at games each week.

What caused the Hillsborough disaster was the fencing. Before fencing, fans spilled on to the pitch if it got too overcrowded. Hooliganism was the reason for the fencing. Banning standing was a knee-jerk reaction to the Hillsborough disaster.

Incidentally I was at the Hudders game and loads of us climbed the floodlight including me. The cops announced that if we didn't come down immediately. Everyone came down but one. Not Cooperman?

Was at the Wolves semi too, saw the scrapping on the pitch, but not the crush outside the away end

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Fans had been standing for a hundred years since 1986. Yes there had been a couple of tragic crushes (Burnden, Hampden) but remarkably few given the number of people who stood at games each week.

What caused the Hillsborough disaster was the fencing. Before fencing, fans spilled on to the pitch if it got too overcrowded. Hooliganism was the reason for the fencing. Banning standing was a knee-jerk reaction to the Hillsborough disaster.

Incidentally I was at the Hudders game and loads of us climbed the floodlight including me. The cops announced that if we didn't come down immediately. Everyone came down but one. Not Cooperman?

Was at the Wolves semi too, saw the scrapping on the pitch, but not the crush outside the away end

Hillsborough Jury Shown 1981 Crush Footage

Dozens of football fans were injured during a crush on the same terrace eight years before the Hillsborough tragedy.

news.sky.com

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Incidents of crushing on leppings lane pre date 1986 by some considerable time.

You’re right - see above
Also I was a year out anyway with my ‘example’ of ‘86 - I was alluding to Leeds v Cov which (of course) was ‘87

 

[cahill]

You’re right - see above
Also I was a year out anyway with my ‘example’ of ‘86 - I was alluding to Leeds v Cov which (of course) was ‘87

I bought a ticket for a fiver in Leppings Lane 5 minutes before kick off. Whoever thought it was clever to put Leeds nutcases in there and Coventry families on the Kop needed their bumps feeling. It was frightening the ammount of crushing during that game.
The back of our Kop feels very safe by comparison.