'Dressing room will be split'

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sitwell said:
Got me thinking ,who is our longest serving player ?
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Probably Long, although I can't remember exactly when he first hit the matchday squad? Other than that it could be Scougal or McNulty.
 
SwissBlade said:
Some, if not most will have morals and ethics.
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"In the normative sense, “morality” refers to a code of conduct that would be accepted by anyone who meets certain intellectual and volitional conditions."

...so that's Ched excluded ;)
 
blade789 said:
Seen this comment a few times. Why will signing Ched split the dressing room? What is it about his personality that players won't like!?
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There is no evidence what so ever that the dressing room will be split.

There might be numerous clashes of personalities which can happen in any team, but HARMONY is one of CW biggest assets as being a manager - he simply WON'T let it happen to the group as he likes to call them.

Many fans are speculating .................think everyone should just wait and see. Just let him get on with managing the team - it's what he is paid for.

UTB
 
DeanLearner'sCat said:
The truth is that we don't know yet. Any player could potentially split the dressing room. Personally, I wouldn't have thought too many professional footballers will have given much thought to the nuances of the too drunk to consent law, or spent much time reading about Feminist theories about 'rape culture'. They probably just know he was cleared at re-trial and that's that.

I think the bigger issues at this point are his ability/fitness, and the supposed price.
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Leon supposedly did don't forget.
 
There's far too much thinking and self opinion being spouted.
People guessing, and making stuff up based on some misguided information they have heard or dreamed up in their heads.

It was always going to attract attention....so my only issue is the timing of it coming out. Would much prefer this coming out while everyone was out of the building and in holiday. That way it wouldn't have detracted from this season in any way, no matter how hard the local media would have tried!

Have some of you not learned? Keep thi gob shut til there's summat to complain about. Wilder was apparently out of his depth after 4 games, if nothing else that should teach a few to just let the man do his job.

Facts- He's a footballer...nothing more
 
LS26BLADE said:
I love how people on a football forum can't spout rubbish like a player will be bad for the dressing room.

Especially when Wilder has said numerous times he wouldn't sign anyone who'd upset the harmony.

The only people this upsets is some of our fans on some sort of crusade to make themselves look ultra self righteous.

When it boils down to it we are talking about a football player who was incorrectly convicted.

If Wilder thinks he can rejuvenate him then that's fine by me.
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One of the most sensible posts on the subject LS26
 
In my mind there were 2 Ched Evans' that played for us. The first was the big-time Charlie who scored infrequently and strolled around the pitch doing fuck all generally. It was this Ched Evans who went out that night in Rhyl and engaged in some grubby and morally unpleasant activity.

The other Ched Evans is the one after his arrest who had a massive shock to his system and realised that he had to concentrate on his football and not the high life he had been living up to that point. This Ched Evans was a fantastic footballer who scored at will and took us to within a whisker of promotion.

I would think this is the version that is still present. He's definitely got something to prove and has been given some harsh lessons in what can happen if you make poor choices. If anything he may well be a positive presence in the dressing room and help the younger players especially not to make the same mistakes he has.

If he's fit and focussed on football then I don't see why he can't be successful with us again.
 
JordoBlade said:
And if they don't (also anyone else for that matter) then they're not human. I think Even Ched would admit he was an idiot, but a rapist? I think not. Welcome back Ched!
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Exactly Jordo
To be convicted of rape is a horrendous thing to go down for when you didn't do it,
For the prisoner it's worse than committing murder (in the eyes of fellow inmates)

Ched Evans was an idiot, but he only did what millions of men would have done if a willing trollop put it on a plate for you, and she was a willing trollop with form for doing exactly what she did before.

Ched Evans was put in prison due to the fact that she couldn't quite remember everything next morning

If I witnessed a murder whilst a bit drunk and then told the police next morning "I couldn't really remember" the police wouldn't have had a single fucking thing to go on.

But under pressure from dangerous activists they proceeded to take Ched Evans to court and then the court caved in to the same dangerous activists
 
They're footballers. I'd guess a few of them will have done similar things in their time; had threesomes, cheated on their partners. As others have said, CW will have sounded out some of the senior players before making a move. I don't think it will be a big issue.
 
Stretch said:
The changing room will not be split. Ched will be earning within the same wage band as every other player and in the eyes of the law did nothing wrong
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Agreed.

Stretch said:
Not one player or member of the management team has worked with Ched before.
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Not sure about that. Ched signed summer of 2009 but Billy didn't leave until 2010. They must have trained together even if they didn't play together.

Stretch said:
As long as Wilder has sanctioned this then there is not a thing to worry about.
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And that is my worry. This has the smell of a KM 'deal'.
 
From personal experience of something similar (which I'll happily discuss my bobsleigh season 2007/2008 over a beer or four - we're in The Stag before most home games!) I'm pretty sure the attitude of the players will be fine so long as he comes in and makes the team/squad better...

It's when/if he starts underperforming, players will suddenly start making issues.

Sports people (and fans for that matter) tolerate almost anything so long as the team is winning!
 



Ndlovu Blade said:
It'll be a bigger spilt than the San Andreas Fault...mark by word
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Wow, that is big!

Do you think it could be an ever bigger gap than the one between the Championship and League 1?

I know this, because North Korea Talk keeps telling us about how big this is and how we will struggle.
 
People spectacularly missing the point on this once again.

1) A lot are saying that he didn't split the Chesterfield dressing room. Well, they're bottom of the league, relegated with games to go and he hasn't played since March. Doesn't look good, does it?

2) It's not down to his personality. It's down to other players sat there and being unsure about playing with such a divisive figure (and yes, it ultimately is down to him, Ched got himself into this mess). It's also about the hoo-hah this has already caused - front page news on the BBC, Guardian and Telegraph websites - it has already made more headlines than our promotion. It's about players sat there who might be thinking about why the club have made such a fuss to sign somebody like this.

3) Others are saying Wilder will have already sussed this out and will know that he won't upset the apple cart. Impossible. I somehow doubt he has spoken to every single squad member to see what their reaction will be. It's all well and good saying he will just know, but he can't know how other players might react to this fucking circus rolling up at Bramall Lane once more.

BTW, I always thought Evans was innocent and it was a dodgy conviction in the first place. But the circus surrounding him now, along with his questionable footballing ability, makes him someone we should just forget about.
 
nicksufc said:
A lot are saying that he didn't split the Chesterfield dressing room. Well, they're bottom of the league, relegated with games to go and he hasn't played since March. Doesn't look good, does it?
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All Ched's fault eh? Not Dave Allen selling off all their best players or Gary Cauldwell being useless?

Nope, all down to Ched.

nicksufc said:
. Impossible. I somehow doubt he has spoken to every single squad member to see what their reaction will be.
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FFS it's not a re-run of the Brexit vote.

Football is not democratic and managers don't canvass every player's opinion on signings.
 
There's hardly irrefutable proof that the dressing room was a happy camp all season.

That's my exact point. Wilder can't know what the reaction of our players will be because he won't speak to every single one of them. I could understand this if we were signing a proven Championship striker, but we're signing 28 year-old, 7 goals in League One, shit-last-time-in-this-league Ched Evans.
 
nicksufc said:
There's hardly irrefutable proof that the dressing room was a happy camp all season.

That's my exact point. Wilder can't know what the reaction of our players will be because he won't speak to every single one of them. I could understand this if we were signing a proven Championship striker, but we're signing 28 year-old, 7 goals in League One, shit-last-time-in-this-league Ched Evans.
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He wouldn't have too. The couple or so he's likely to trust implicitly will be aware of the feelings of the rest.
 
Wilder and the club wouldn't make this signing without ensuring the players were onboard. On the plus side McNulty might be furious and then it would do us all a favour.
 
nicksufc said:
People spectacularly missing the point on this once again.

1) A lot are saying that he didn't split the Chesterfield dressing room. Well, they're bottom of the league, relegated with games to go and he hasn't played since March. Doesn't look good, does it?

2) It's not down to his personality. It's down to other players sat there and being unsure about playing with such a divisive figure (and yes, it ultimately is down to him, Ched got himself into this mess). It's also about the hoo-hah this has already caused - front page news on the BBC, Guardian and Telegraph websites - it has already made more headlines than our promotion. It's about players sat there who might be thinking about why the club have made such a fuss to sign somebody like this.

3) Others are saying Wilder will have already sussed this out and will know that he won't upset the apple cart. Impossible. I somehow doubt he has spoken to every single squad member to see what their reaction will be. It's all well and good saying he will just know, but he can't know how other players might react to this fucking circus rolling up at Bramall Lane once more.

BTW, I always thought Evans was innocent and it was a dodgy conviction in the first place. But the circus surrounding him now, along with his questionable footballing ability, makes him someone we should just forget about.
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I think you're missing the point that most sportsman don't give a shit. As IdLiketoRogerMoore has already stated.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
From personal experience of something similar (which I'll happily discuss my bobsleigh season 2007/2008 over a beer or four - we're in The Stag before most home games!) I'm pretty sure the attitude of the players will be fine so long as he comes in and makes the team/squad better...

It's when/if he starts underperforming, players will suddenly start making issues.

Sports people (and fans for that matter) tolerate almost anything so long as the team is winning!
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Well I certainly wouldn't want to play alongside a player who was both a racist and a serial biter of opponents.
There's no way anyone like that would have a chance in pro football - at any level!
 
I should coco said:
And that is my worry. This has the smell of a KM 'deal'.
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If KM sanctioning CWs request to buy Ched is a " KM deal " , then i agree with you .

But if you equate the " KM deal " to him being the sole instigator of this move then i fundamentally disagree .
 



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