Do you remeber that time?

[Darren]

How many years ago was Wilson manager?

Wilson's positions: 2011-12 3rd in League One
2012-13 5th in League One (when sacked)


Blackwell's positions 2007-08 9th in the Championship
2008-09 3rd in the Championship
2009-10 8th in the Championship.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Wilson's positions: 2011-12 3rd in League One
2012-13 5th in League One (when sacked)


Blackwell's positions 2007-08 9th in the Championship
2008-09 3rd in the Championship
2009-10 8th in the Championship.

Wiki

Blackwell 42.40% win ratio, Wilson 51.89%

 

[Darren]

Wiki

Blackwell 42.40% win ratio, Wilson 51.89%

Blackwell - all games in 2nd Tier - Wilson - all games in 3rd tier.

 

[Bladeloyal]

You get it as a lawyer. They come to you for legal advice and then proceed not to take the advice and do what they want to do. If that's your attitude, you might want to represent yourself and not waste your fucking time with a lawyer...

You was doing ok about monty until you mentioned being a lawyer .ive found most lawyers are. £270 pound an hour fucking waste of time who haven't got a good 90 minutes in them ,thank you sir that will be £405.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Both tiers inherited - you can only play the cards you're dealt.

Neither manager would merit the word "successful" in my view, I still blame Blackwell for costing me about £200 going to that fiasco at Wembley.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Both tiers inherited - you can only play the cards you're dealt.

Neither manager would merit the word "successful" in my view, I still blame Blackwell for costing me about £200 going to that fiasco at Wembley.

Blackwell grrrrr

 

[itsinyerblood]

You was doing ok about monty until you mentioned being a lawyer .ive found most lawyers are. £270 pound an hour fucking waste of time who haven't got a good 90 minutes in them ,thank you sir that will be £405.

How strange our perceptions.....

I'm not one to defend solicitors as a profession, but from my own experience I eventually came into contact a specialist in the entertainment business who was both first rate at his job but was also a excellent human being. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else's experiences, but after wandering through a sea of differing legal talents I came across the chap who advised me for over 12 years. And as an example of his bulldog grit, he was involved in over 80 litigations and never lost one. Now that's what any client would hope for, but clearly it's not something that happens as easily for some as it does for others.

 

[Darren]

Both tiers inherited - you can only play the cards you're dealt.

Neither manager would merit the word "successful" in my view, I still blame Blackwell for costing me about £200 going to that fiasco at Wembley.

I appreciate that, but if United ended up in the North Counties East League and the manager achieved a win rate of 70% there, I don't think you would say he was our most successful manager ever.

Given that Blackwell kept us continually challenging for promotion from the 2nd tier, to equal that with the hand he was dealt, Wilson would have had us running away with the third tier. He wasn't.

 

[Bladeloyal]

How strange our perceptions.....

I'm not one to defend solicitors as a profession, but from my own experience I eventually came into contact a specialist in the entertainment business who was both first rate at his job but was also a excellent human being. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else's experiences, but after wandering through a sea of differing legal talents I came across the chap who advised me for over 12 years. And as an example of his bulldog grit, he was involved in over 80 litigations and never lost one. Now that's what any client would hope for, but clearly it's not something that happens as easily for some as it does for others.

Not denying some are good ,but I'm afraid I've had a couple of conference level lawyers act for me . They were a bit like Baxter flattered to deceive ,but still charged tony currie money

 

[pommpey]

I still blame Blackwell for costing me about £200 going to that fiasco at Wembley.

Wilson didn't exactly deliver value for money at Wembley either.

pommpey

 

[BusheyBlade]

Wiki

Blackwell 42.40% win ratio, Wilson 51.89%

Blackwell - all games in 2nd Tier - Wilson - all games in 3rd tier.

I'll take both of those and raise you this:

Blackwell's 2008-09 3rd in the Championship. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Outplayed Preston over two legs and lost miserably to Burnley in the play off final.

Wilson 2011-12 3rd in League One. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Scraped past Stevenage over two legs and lost miserably to Huddersfield in the play off final.

Both pretty similar on the face of it yet one was a division higher than the other. How anyone can say Blackwell's achievements that season pale against Wilson's are simply barmy.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I'll take both of those and raise you this:

Blackwell's 2008-09 3rd in the Championship. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Outplayed Preston over two legs and lost miserably to Burnley in the play off final.

Wilson 2011-12 3rd in League One. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Scraped past Stevenage over two legs and lost miserably to Huddersfield in the play off final.

Both pretty similar on the face of it yet one was a division higher than the other. How anyone can say Blackwell's achievements that season pale against Wilson's are simply barmy.

Well, I've always been simple and our Gert reckons I'm barmy.......

 

[BushBlade]

I'll take both of those and raise you this:

Blackwell's 2008-09 3rd in the Championship. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Outplayed Preston over two legs and lost miserably to Burnley in the play off final.

Wilson 2011-12 3rd in League One. Lost out on automatic promotion after an outside chance on the final day. Scraped past Stevenage over two legs and lost miserably to Huddersfield in the play off final.

Both pretty similar on the face of it yet one was a division higher than the other. How anyone can say Blackwell's achievements that season pale against Wilson's are simply barmy.

Despite their 'achievements' both were given the job of getting us promoted and were given decent budgets to do so. They both failed. We've just sacked a manager for the same thing.
With regard to Monty, Blackwell used him because it suited the way he wanted to play. Wilson didn't because part of his brief was to play 'more attractive' football, which is generally perceived as being 'passing' football, playing it through the middle. That's why he chose Doyle over Monty, because Doyle was more of a sitting midfielder, screening the back four, getting the ball and playing simple passes to retain possession, Monty just charged around, got in people's faces and booted the ball forwards. Wilson's game was about controlling the game through possession, Blackwell's about putting the ball in areas and not letting the opposition play through midfield.
(Btw, I mean Wilson's first season, by the end of his tenure we were much more Blackwell like and Doyle had probably his worst period for us in L1 which I don't think was coincidental)

 

[Martino]

If under Blackwell finishing 3rd they hadn't conceded a late injury time goal at Birmingham on the opening day of the season, we would have been promoted not Birmingham.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Not denying some are good ,but I'm afraid I've had a couple of conference level lawyers act for me . They were a bit like Baxter flattered to deceive ,but still charged tony currie money

I think the lesson here is to remain focussed, learn to develop your own antennae and realise that solicitors aren't infallible, and question them at every turn. If you're unsure about a point, or find legalese bewildering/confusing, then ask for an explanation. There's always the option of changing solicitors of you feel you're being sold a pup, but the key I feel is to have confidence in the person who you're paying to do a job on your behalf, so make the most of your initial meeting and ask the most appropriate questions, it should set the tone for the relationship.

I'm sorry your experience was a poor one, but horses for courses, and I hope any further need for legal advice is more positive. Perhaps see two or three solicitors, get feedback, and then you should be able to evaluate who you feel might be best suited to take on your case. A first meeting should cost nothing, don't forget, they want your business so use this time to explain in concise terms what it is that bugs you. Make sure you provide the nuts and bolts of your problem, listen to the advice you receive, then consider what's been said and make your choice based on who seems most competent.

 

[blade too long]

To elbow Blackwell on the one result v QPR after a fine draw away at Cardiff , in hindsight was rash and counter productive, Blackwell was making a good fist of keeping us competitive in a tough league oN ever decreasing budgets, as always be careful what you wish for . No it wasnt the best entertainment in the world , but we won moree than we lost , in the championship -
The big big error was Speed, his heart wasnt in it, harsh but true , we would have been better with someone who wouldnt dump us after 3 months, stability and continuity are paramount at a football club.
We were like a boat with a broken rudder

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

To elbow Blackwell on the one result v QPR after a fine draw away at Cardiff , in hindsight was rash and counter productive, Blackwell was making a good fist of keeping us competitive in a tough league oN ever decreasing budgets, as always be careful what you wish for . No it wasnt the best entertainment in the world , but we won moree than we lost , in the championship -
The big big error was Speed, his heart wasnt in it, harsh but true , we would have been better with someone who wouldnt dump us after 3 months, stability and continuity are paramount at a football club.
We were like a boat with a broken rudder

I'd disagree. Under Speed we looked like we were finally trying to play positive football in his image. Walking out satisfied after a 4 nil home defeat to Scunthorpe remains one of my weirdest experiences at the Lane.

The problems that hampered Speed achieving what he was trying to put in place was inheriting a squad that had been asset stripped the season before (Beatties, Kyles, Kenny, Kilgallon not long after) and only having Leon Britton who knew how to pass a ball (along the ground) successfully. I remember Speed sounding incredibily frustrated after a 3 nil away defeat to Bristol City and he did the right thing jacking in the job when Wales come a knocking, sadly his style of football would have never been appreciated at BL.

 

[ken shabby]

...having said that BTL, Blackie had finally got his wish and removed most of robsons signings, a good few of warnocks and finally got the players HE wanted, a team of jordan stewarts, not skilful but workers and adaptable and everyone has to tackle! plus a bizzare (in blackie's case) acquisition of Britton to appease the fans that we were going to play football... we weren`t , never would and Blackwell was responsible for lining up a team well worthy of relegation. To his credit , i don`t think Blackie would`ve actually got us relegated but we`d have finished 16th or summat with that load of shite.

 

[alcoblade]

...having said that BTL, Blackie had finally got his wish and removed most of robsons signings, a good few of warnocks and finally got the players HE wanted, a team of jordan stewarts, not skilful but workers and adaptable and everyone has to tackle! plus a bizzare (in blackie's case) acquisition of Britton to appease the fans that we were going to play football... we weren`t , never would and Blackwell was responsible for lining up a team well worthy of relegation. To his credit , i don`t think Blackie would`ve actually got us relegated but we`d have finished 16th or summat with that load of shite.

To be fair to him, I doubt it was his plan to remove the old players and replace them with the likes of Jordan Stewart. He had the job of slashing a >£20,000,00 wage bill. It was that that was driving sales / acquisitions.

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