Diego Geronimo.

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For the love of God,will this finally be his breakthrough season??
The cotton wool has to come off surely?

We shall see. However I do think most of our supporters are underestimating the seriousness of the injury he had. Miller took just as long to get back playing and still isn't what he was pre-injury. Reports are that he's come back looking sharper and fitter.
 
We shall see. However I do think most of our supporters are underestimating the seriousness of the injury he had. Miller took just as long to get back playing and still isn't what he was pre-injury. Reports are that he's come back looking sharper and fitter.
Lets hope so Seb.
 
For the love of God,will this finally be his breakthrough season??
The cotton wool has to come off surely?

Off his eyes and ears so that he realises he has a lot to learn and that NC knows infinitely more about football than he does?

I do hope so.
 
I'm more interested in seeing the likes of Khan an Dimaio who played in the first team and proved they were up to it. Diego fancyitalianname seems to be reports and not much else, however I've seen with my own eyes we have some talented youngsters who still have qute exotic names also. They will do for me.
 
Big fucking yawn!

There's no cotton wool here, when he's good enough he'll play.
This over hyping bollocks will do more damage than good.
He's done nothing so far, absolutely nothing. Let talk about some of those who played last season and looked like they could step up. If Diego's time comes all well and good, let talk about him then.
 
Big fucking yawn!

There's no cotton wool here, when he's good enough he'll play.
This over hyping bollocks will do more damage than good.
He's done nothing so far, absolutely nothing. Let talk about some of those who played last season and looked like they could step up. If Diego's time comes all well and good, let talk about him then.

I've given you a like Bob, as I think the over-hyping has lead to unfair criticisms of both the management AND of the lad himself that are based on guesswork and rumour alone.

BUT, you said we should be more willing to hype "some of those who played last season and looked like they could step up". Diego has played (well) for the first team, has nearly scored for the first team and has played for the under 18s of one of the best footballing nations on the planet.

To say that people should stop talking about or getting excited about him is ridiculous.
 
...well the hype worked for Slew ;)
 
I've given you a like Bob, as I think the over-hyping has lead to unfair criticisms of both the management AND of the lad himself that are based on guesswork and rumour alone.

BUT, you said we should be more willing to hype "some of those who played last season and looked like they could step up". Diego has played (well) for the first team, has nearly scored for the first team and has played for the under 18s of one of the best footballing nations on the planet.

To say that people should stop talking about or getting excited about him is ridiculous.

So that's 1 game, nearly 1 goal. Impressive. Imagine if porter could count 'nearly goals' he'd be in brazil
 
and has played for the under 18s of one of the best footballing nations on the planet.

Would it be churlish to mention them sharing a plane home from Brazil with our glorious boys a couple of weeks back?

I've seen 10 minutes of him in a first team shirt and he looked the part. If he still does after his injury I'm sure we'll see more from him this season. If he doesn't then we've got other youngsters who might.
I'm not hanging all my promotion hopes on him just yet, that's for sure.
 
Well, you didn't now did you?

Also, some players who represented their country at junior level:

Michael Ohalloran
Jonathan forte
Andrew Taylor

As a few examples. Playing for u18s means absolutely nothing. Most professionals in the top 2/3 divisions have at some point. If he was good, he would be playing. Everyone signs off with 'in Clough we trust' on ALL his decisions except with Diego. Why?
 
Would it be churlish to mention them sharing a plane home from Brazil with our glorious boys a couple of weeks back?

I've seen 10 minutes of him in a first team shirt and he looked the part. If he still does after his injury I'm sure we'll see more from him this season. If he doesn't then we've got other youngsters who might.
I'm not hanging all my promotion hopes on him just yet, that's for sure.

Very churlish...

But yes, that summary is fair. Looked good in his brief cameos for us. But shouldn't be hyped to the moon.
 

Also, some players who represented their country at junior level:

Michael Ohalloran
Jonathan forte
Andrew Taylor

As a few examples. Playing for u18s means absolutely nothing. Most professionals in the top 2/3 divisions have at some point. If he was good, he would be playing. Everyone signs off with 'in Clough we trust' on ALL his decisions except with Diego. Why?

Fuck me. Did you read what I posted originally?

Here's a synopsis - don't overhype, but don't criticise people for getting excited and talking about a bright young talent.

What has Clough said the contrary? I believe he's even said he's a very good young prospect who needed some time to recuperate after a very bad injury.

Has he said he's overhyped and with a bad attitude? Not to the best of my knowledge.
 
Fuck me. Did you read what I posted originally?

Here's a synopsis - don't overhype, but don't criticise people for getting excited and talking about a bright young talent.

What has Clough said the contrary? I believe he's even said he's a very good young prospect who needed some time to recuperate after a very bad injury.

Has he said he's overhyped and with a bad attitude? Not to the best of my knowledge.

The main point I'm making is your justification for him being overhyped does not set him apart from any other player. Let's take dimaio: played well for the firsts (in several games), represented his country and various levels and ok didn't 'nearly score' but I thinks thats a weak argument anyway and they're different positions. So why aren't there hundreds of threads about dimaio? How can a player who has never played a real
League game for us be hyped so much, it's confusing!
 
The main point I'm making is your justification for him being overhyped does not set him apart from any other player. Let's take dimaio: played well for the firsts (in several games), represented his country and various levels and ok didn't 'nearly score' but I thinks thats a weak argument anyway and they're different positions. So why aren't there hundreds of threads about dimaio? How can a player who has never played a real
League game for us be hyped so much, it's confusing!

Which is fair enough, and Dimao should possibly be deserving of as much hype as Diego. Whether that counts as 'over-hype' I don't know.

But, I do think there's a couple of differences:
1) Diego is playing for a country under 18s that is more competitive. Yes, it's little more than junior level, but it's still exciting to see one of our own playing for an Italian national side and scoring absolute crackers on a regular basis.
2) I've no doubt that the constant rumours of big clubs watching Diego are true. The guesses on value are no doubt wide of the mark, but there will surely be interest in an Italian under 18 player who is evidently as skillful as Diego.
3) Perhaps most importantly, the club who he plays for (and watches him train) recognises his ability. Look at the hype around his signing pro-terms with a photoshoot to accompany it. All we usually get is "4 young players have signed pro terms", contrast that with this:
http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20121029-diego-signs-on-449765.aspx

Now, if the club are hyping him to that extreme; how are the fans supposed to react?

It goes without saying that the lad's name and his heritage results in inordinate amount of hype, but I find the counter response even more baffling. All of a sudden he's not as exciting as other youngsters at the club, he's too big for his boots, his haircut doesn't come up the standards of the gaffer, he's wearing a cap to training, he's got cotton wool in his ears, he's driving a flash car with big rims, etc etc.

What happened to just being excited about a young player? Have we become blasé due to the number coming through the academy?
 
The difference between Dimaio and Di Girolamo is that the latter is a forward and has scored some phenomenal goals. As a lot of the hype is based on snippets that people see online, that makes a huge impact. Dimaio, on the evidence of his limited time in the first team, is an exciting talent as he appears to have time on the ball to make the right decision, which at 18 is seriously impressive (same goes for Louis Reed).

I'd also not be surprised if two or three of the U18s are in the squad for the Bristol City game having impressed during preseason. Could be any of Calvert-Lewin (fitness dependent), Khan, Dimaio, Reed, Di Girolamo, Coustrain, McDonough and others I've forgotten.
 
I think people are excited though and everyone wants to see him live up to the expectation, of course we do. But even though he's very young, blades have heard so much about him for a long time yet we've not actually seen anything. So I think the fans are just a bit confused as to why we have this great player, an Italian junior international being watched by big clubs, sitting on the fringes, while other youngsters like Dimaio, Reed and Kennedy have got game time.

Then people try and find an explanation which is usually 'oh, he must not be good enough, just overhyped' or these weird rumours about him having a bad attitude, which to me seem completely made up, like the one about him turning up to training in a sports car when he owns a Fiat in real life.

I think perhaps Clough was concerned about his fitness after the injury and wants to make sure he doesn't put the lad under the microscope before he's fully back to his best. Or maybe his game didn't suit the way we set up last year, although that seems odd as you'd think in that position, any ability at all would put you in with a shout. I hope he breaks through this season though, it would be great to see a homegrown solution to our striker problem.
 
He's had a very bad injury, we'll know this season if he has recovered enough to challenge.

He has the quickest feet I've ever seen from a youngster coming through and a real eye for goal. United have rarely produced good attacking youngsters since the golden era of Jones, Birchenall and Woody. Ok, we may never produce attacking talent of that quality again but it's a real treat to finally have some attacking youngsters coming through. Khan and Calvert Lewin are other exciting attacking prospects.

Let's get behind them when they get their chance.
 
I've given you a like Bob, as I think the over-hyping has lead to unfair criticisms of both the management AND of the lad himself that are based on guesswork and rumour alone.

BUT, you said we should be more willing to hype "some of those who played last season and looked like they could step up". Diego has played (well) for the first team, has nearly scored for the first team and has played for the under 18s of one of the best footballing nations on the planet.

To say that people should stop talking about or getting excited about him is ridiculous.
I didn't say hype, I said talk. Hype is the one thing we shouldn't be doing to any of the players.
We have players who've played and still do for England youth teams yet they don't get this kind of hype before they've kicked a ball.
 
I didn't say hype, I said talk. Hype is the one thing we shouldn't be doing to any of the players.
We have players who've played and still do for England youth teams yet they don't get this kind of hype before they've kicked a ball.

Talk + excitement = hype - it's not possible to avoid this. It's natural given the facts.

And true, we do have England players of the ilk you describe. But, if you put one in the first team at 17 years old and then he goes on to put in a promising couple of performances, you would get the same level of hype as Diego has had...
 
The lad was just starting to get into the team at 16 when serious injury stopped him for over a year. As Houso said, he didn't over hype himself, however people who have seen him play did.

I don't give a fuck what his name is but can we just get behind these young players we have, without finding a reason to slate them.

It sounds like the lad has got himself physically fit and now hopefully he will be there mentally. He needed a bit of tough love and he got it. Hopefully he can now prove himself now and we should all be supporting that.
 
Can't see what all the fuss is about. He looked good at the academy, called up by the Italian U18s and looked good for them. Played a cameo in the 1st team and looked more than decent and looked set to break into the first team last seaon. Then he got the injury playing for Italy that kept him out for most of last season and in most expert opinions can take a full 12 months for full recovery. So in effect he's right on schedule allowing for the injury. No cotton wool, no Billy big potatoes, no flash car, no dodgy haircut, no iffy agent (that might not be a no), but lots of unnecessary hysteria and expectation. Never mind all this bollocks about why the big Italian superstar is not getting games when Dimaio, Reed, Khan etc have. No confusion over this, the answer is that none of them are recovering from a bad cruciate ligament injury. I understand he was getting a bit stroppy about not playing towards the end of last season and was told in no uncertain terms that he plays when Clough and the medical team think he's ready, not before.
 
The lad was just starting to get into the team at 16 when serious injury stopped him for over a year. As Houso said, he didn't over hype himself, however people who have seen him play did.

I don't give a fuck what his name is but can we just get behind these young players we have, without finding a reason to slate them.

It sounds like the lad has got himself physically fit and now hopefully he will be there mentally. He needed a bit of tough love and he got it. Hopefully he can now prove himself now and we should all be supporting that.
None of my gripes is against the lad himself, although I'm sure at his age he will buy into some of it which won't help.
 
Have I read that he's had a "altercation" with Clough over a personalised reg plate? Or was that a dream? Genuinely can't remember
 
Which is fair enough, and Dimao should possibly be deserving of as much hype as Diego. Whether that counts as 'over-hype' I don't know.

But, I do think there's a couple of differences:
1) Diego is playing for a country under 18s that is more competitive. Yes, it's little more than junior level, but it's still exciting to see one of our own playing for an Italian national side and scoring absolute crackers on a regular basis.
2) I've no doubt that the constant rumours of big clubs watching Diego are true. The guesses on value are no doubt wide of the mark, but there will surely be interest in an Italian under 18 player who is evidently as skillful as Diego.
3) Perhaps most importantly, the club who he plays for (and watches him train) recognises his ability. Look at the hype around his signing pro-terms with a photoshoot to accompany it. All we usually get is "4 young players have signed pro terms", contrast that with this:
http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20121029-diego-signs-on-449765.aspx

Now, if the club are hyping him to that extreme; how are the fans supposed to react?

It goes without saying that the lad's name and his heritage results in inordinate amount of hype, but I find the counter response even more baffling. All of a sudden he's not as exciting as other youngsters at the club, he's too big for his boots, his haircut doesn't come up the standards of the gaffer, he's wearing a cap to training, he's got cotton wool in his ears, he's driving a flash car with big rims, etc etc.

What happened to just being excited about a young player? Have we become blasé due to the number coming through the academy?

The interesting point about that link is that his current contract expires next Summer.
So we need to be getting him to sign a new one pretty soon or risk losing him for a fee set by tribunal.

He's hardly likely to sign on for another three years if he's not getting first team action.
And we're probably not going to offer a bumper contract to a reserve team kid recovering from injury either.
It's potentially a difficult problem for Clough to resolve.

Hopefully, Diego will force himself into the first team and get signed up on a new contract by Christmas.
 
On the other hand he may prove to be all the hyper's say he is, in which case after a couple of games some big club will wave a few quid under his nose, and he'll be off like a shot and we wont have sleepless nights worrying about whether he's good enough or not.
Problem solved........:tumbleweed:
 

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