Devante Cole

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I think the issue with Cole is that Fleetwood would want more for him than he's worth based off his potential alone. Strikers with genuine pace that can actually play football are near impossible to find, and when teams have a young player with pace to burn they don't want to give them up on the cheap in case they reach their potential elsewhere.

If we were to take a punt on a lower league striker that wouldn't cost the earth I'd be thinking about Mohamed Eisa. Signed a 1 year deal with Cheltenham so wouldn't cost much, scored 4 in his first 3 games including a stunner against oxford, and from what I can gauge has been very impressive for them all round. He's shown ability in the air, good control with the ball at his feet & pace to burn. Raw talent but given the contract situation I'd like him on the books from a purely developmental perspective. If he doesn't turn out, we move on & lose very little. He wouldn't be the answer for the immediate future but looks like a player with a lot of room to grow.
 
Lee Baxter said:
I think the issue with Cole is that Fleetwood would want more for him than he's worth based off his potential alone. Strikers with genuine pace that can actually play football are near impossible to find, and when teams have a young player with pace to burn they don't want to give them up on the cheap in case they reach their potential elsewhere.

If we were to take a punt on a lower league striker that wouldn't cost the earth I'd be thinking about Mohamed Eisa. Signed a 1 year deal with Cheltenham so wouldn't cost much, scored 4 in his first 3 games including a stunner against oxford, and from what I can gauge has been very impressive for them all round. He's shown ability in the air, good control with the ball at his feet & pace to burn. Raw talent but given the contract situation I'd like him on the books from a purely developmental perspective. If he doesn't turn out, we move on & lose very little. He wouldn't be the answer for the immediate future but looks like a player with a lot of room to grow.
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If we rated him, or were even aware of him it would have made sense to sign him a couple of weeks ago before he signed for Cheltenham. You watch a lot of non-league football in London?
 
Cerberus Blade said:
No mate, Kabba was a hell of a player before he had that long injury. Littlejohn I'd agree with. He had a lot of pace but not the finished article by any means.
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Kabba never had a touch. He made Montys first touch look like Bergkamp
 
SwissBlade said:
Cruciate wasn't it? Or was that his second comeback
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I thought the broke his leg, came back and broke the other one in an early tackle first game back. Or did I ready that in my Tiger comic as a kid and medication now makes everything seem real?
 
Blade56 said:
I thought the broke his leg, came back and broke the other one in an early tackle first game back. Or did I ready that in my Tiger comic as a kid and medication now makes everything seem real?
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I remember a leg break and I remember a cruciate... both or neither could have happened to Kabba
 
Silent Blade said:
Jim Chimmerney's friends at Fleetwood have seen more of Devante than you have so I would trust the opinion of those who have seen more of him and it is no thanks from me
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That’s fair enough. Like I say, w hat I saw in him was raw potential (very quick, decent size, young enough to work on other aspects). Whether he can kick on and improve the weaknesses in his game remains to be seen. He may well be one of those who falls by the wayside given his lack of progress over the last 2 years.
 
Lee Baxter said:
I think the issue with Cole is that Fleetwood would want more for him than he's worth based off his potential alone. Strikers with genuine pace that can actually play football are near impossible to find, and when teams have a young player with pace to burn they don't want to give them up on the cheap in case they reach their potential elsewhere.

If we were to take a punt on a lower league striker that wouldn't cost the earth I'd be thinking about Mohamed Eisa. Signed a 1 year deal with Cheltenham so wouldn't cost much, scored 4 in his first 3 games including a stunner against oxford, and from what I can gauge has been very impressive for them all round. He's shown ability in the air, good control with the ball at his feet & pace to burn. Raw talent but given the contract situation I'd like him on the books from a purely developmental perspective. If he doesn't turn out, we move on & lose very little. He wouldn't be the answer for the immediate future but looks like a player with a lot of room to grow.
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Yeah I saw those highlights v Oxford and he was impressive.



Another young pacey, lower league striker is Scott Kashket who went on a good scoring run for Wycombe at one point last season. Again, not sure if his all round game is good enough but there looks to be potential and pace there.
 
SwissBlade said:
I remember a leg break and I remember a cruciate... both or neither could have happened to Kabba
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I thought he was out for an age with tendonitis in his knee, then finally came back and broke his leg meaning he was out again for ages. People say he lost it after the injuries but I thought he was excellent in the first half of our promotion season. Warnock seemed to go off him half way through though and brought Bruce Dyer in ahead of him.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
That’s fair enough. Like I say, w hat I saw in him was raw potential (very quick, decent size, young enough to work on other aspects). Whether he can kick on and improve the weaknesses in his game remains to be seen. He may well be one of those who falls by the wayside given his lack of progress over the last 2 years.
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I remember meeting opposition fans before matches in the early 1990s. Some of them were more worried about Adrian Littlejohn than Brian Deane and I would have a little chuckle! :)
 
Silent Blade said:
I remember meeting opposition fans before matches in the early 1990s. Some of them were more worried about Adrian Littlejohn than Brian Deane and I would have a little chuckle! :)
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Similarly, Donny thought Deane was crap much to our benefit. Goes to show, you just never know how these young players will develop. Just a best guess based on what we see.

I liked Littlejohn though. Having a player with pace like that was always a useful wildcard and on his day, he could be effective. Remember him and Franz Carr terrorising Liverpool's defence at Anfield in 94 though it was Flo who got the goals.
 

BushBlade said:
If we rated him, or were even aware of him it would have made sense to sign him a couple of weeks ago before he signed for Cheltenham. You watch a lot of non-league football in London?
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My point wasn't suggesting he's the finished article - far from it. I just think players with the athletic profile that he has are worth looking at before they turn a short run of form into a consistent run. If he was capable of maintaining something close to his current form up until January you're looking at another Nakhi Wells/Omar Bogle situation where a player who was worth nothing is suddenly a hot commodity within the span of a few months.

Considering his previous level was Greenwich Borough and he's now 22, it's no surprise that it was a League Two club that took a punt on a short contract. More than anything I'm talking about promoting a low risk, high reward strategy where he could look completely out of his depth in our reserve team and it wouldn't matter as the outlay to bring him in would be so insignificant.

I understand that there's many factors that go into scouting a player - background, work ethic, personality traits, all that. I'm just saying on the surface level he's the sort of player that we could look at with relatively little risk providing we get in there before the hype machine kicks in.
 
Lee Baxter said:
My point wasn't suggesting he's the finished article - far from it. I just think players with the athletic profile that he has are worth looking at before they turn a short run of form into a consistent run. If he was capable of maintaining something close to his current form up until January you're looking at another Nakhi Wells/Omar Bogle situation where a player who was worth nothing is suddenly a hot commodity within the span of a few months.

Considering his previous level was Greenwich Borough and he's now 22, it's no surprise that it was a League Two club that took a punt on a short contract. More than anything I'm talking about promoting a low risk, high reward strategy where he could look completely out of his depth in our reserve team and it wouldn't matter as the outlay to bring him in would be so insignificant.

I understand that there's many factors that go into scouting a player - background, work ethic, personality traits, all that. I'm just saying on the surface level he's the sort of player that we could look at with relatively little risk providing we get in there before the hype machine kicks in.
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Isn't that what we did with Horatio? I'm surprised he's slipped through the net and ended up at Cheltenham, clubs like Greenwich and Dartford are well scouted by the likes of Dag and Red and even Peterborough so if he was a genuine prospect I'd have expected him to go somewhere like that. I guess Gary Johnson still has a few contacts in south east London. I used to have a mate who played non-league who knew lots of players from the London/Essex/Kent borders but he packed it in a while ago so I can't get the lowdown on him like I could have in the past.
 
BushBlade said:
Isn't that what we did with Horatio? I'm surprised he's slipped through the net and ended up at Cheltenham, clubs like Greenwich and Dartford are well scouted by the likes of Dag and Red and even Peterborough so if he was a genuine prospect I'd have expected him to go somewhere like that. I guess Gary Johnson still has a few contacts in south east London. I used to have a mate who played non-league who knew lots of players from the London/Essex/Kent borders but he packed it in a while ago so I can't get the lowdown on him like I could have in the past.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Eisa's age will have counted against him. When you see a 22 year old still plying their trade at a side like Greenwich it's fair to fill in the blanks and assume there's a reason why they're at that level and haven't pushed on already. More often than not there will be. In Eisa's case, there may still be. 57 goals in 100 odd games isn't bad but it's certainly not as eye catching as the Ricky Miller/Dave Tarpey type goalscoring records.

With that said, the one thing Eisa has that neither Miller or Tarpey possess (or at least not to his degree) is an innate athleticism. The rest of it can be worked on, but the one thing you can't teach is physical ability. Time will tell if he can effectively channel his athleticism into consistent performances, but you can guarantee that if he puts it all together there'll be an awful lot of interest from higher up.

Anyway, none of this matters as he's just signed a new deal that takes him up to 2020. :D
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Another young pacey, lower league striker is Scott Kashket who went on a good scoring run for Wycombe at one point last season. Again, not sure if his all round game is good enough but there looks to be potential and pace there.
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Worth keeping an eye on him. He's had a hip/groin injury most of 2017 apparently, and hasn't played this season yet.


Lee Baxter said:
I just think players with the athletic profile that he has are worth looking at before they turn a short run of form into a consistent run. If he was capable of maintaining something close to his current form up until January you're looking at another Nakhi Wells/Omar Bogle situation where a player who was worth nothing is suddenly a hot commodity within the span of a few months.
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Spot on. With strikers in particular you have to get in there early sometimes. Spot the potential and anticipate the goalscoring form before they truly hit that form, the hype kicks in and they quickly become expensive and hard to sign. Especially with players who have that athletic base, as you say.
I just posted about Jack Marriott on another thread, he's a good example. Really good ability, 12 goals for Luton last season, 22 years old. It was probably the right time to take a punt. Peterborough did, and it's looking like a very good one so far.
 

His name pops up again as our permanent signing, same age now as when his father went to Newcastle.....would add something we haven't got-pace.
 
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