Deluded Bristol City

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

VAR might have given the goal, as it would have seen O'Leary get a slight touch to the ball after Campbell heads it.

In fairness, the ref and lino would have never seen that, but if VAR did see it, Peck would then be onside and thus him stopping Knight from trying to clear the ball would be perfectly okay as he'd be doing it from an onside position.

O’Leary touching the ball doesn’t matter. You cannot be ‘played onside’ by a deflection, so if Peck was offside at the moment Campbell headed the ball, then he is offside.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Trying to appeal a nailed on red card

Am I the only one who hopes he is reinstated and then gets sent off for the third time against us this season and sets a record never to be broken.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Am I the only one who hopes he is reinstated and then gets sent off for the third time against us this season and sets a record never to be broken.

Bit late. Appeal dismissed.

 

[Frank the tank]

Am I the only one who hopes he is reinstated and then gets sent off for the third time against us this season and sets a record never to be broken.

Well you're about the 8th person in this thread so probably not

 

[Lane Top Blade]

I see that on the Sky website there's a 0-4 option chosen by 16% of Deluded Brizzles and probably some pigs.

 

[DifferentClass]

I see that on the Sky website there's a 0-4 option chosen by 16% of Deluded Brizzles and probably some pigs.

And some Blades...

 

[Gavlar]

Listened to one of their YouTube podcasts earlier and they constantly referred to us as .....Sheffield

Well it’s tit for tat with that really.

 

[mcbladeface]

I listened to that those two tit's are just engagement farmers and have probably had too many jameson and ginger ales
They got absolutely hammered on social media by fans of all clubs and were just trying to use their platform to do a pr salvage job

"Engagement farming" is an excellent term for it btw.

I think I was just a bit taken aback about how blatant it was. I can understand city fans arguing they should get a lucky yellow out of bitter disappointment but to pander to it as a neutral and say it's not even a pen is shameful. The red card was as close to a textbook example as to when the double jeopardy rule doesn't apply as you're gonna get.

I suppose they'd quietly argue that it's an excellent opportunity to exploit Bristol City fans for clicks but if you're trying to set yourself up as an informed alternative to mainstream punditry, maybe don't engage in the same cynically exploitative commentary they do.

 

[RecordBreakers]

VAR might have given the goal, as it would have seen O'Leary get a slight touch to the ball after Campbell heads it.

In fairness, the ref and lino would have never seen that, but if VAR did see it, Peck would then be onside and thus him stopping Knight from trying to clear the ball would be perfectly okay as he'd be doing it from an onside position.

A slight touch on the ball from the opposition does not then bring an opposing player into an onside position. If a player is offside when the shot is taken deflection/nick/touch whatever u want to call it means nothing as he was offside when the shot was taken.

 

[Frank the tank]

"Engagement farming" is an excellent term for it btw.

I think I was just a bit taken aback about how blatant it was. I can understand city fans arguing they should get a lucky yellow out of bitter disappointment but to pander to it as a neutral and say it's not even a pen is shameful. The red card was as close to a textbook example as to when the double jeopardy rule doesn't apply as you're gonna get.

I suppose they'd quietly argue that it's an excellent opportunity to exploit Bristol City fans for clicks but if you're trying to set yourself up as an informed alternative to mainstream punditry, maybe don't engage in the same cynically exploitative commentary they do.

Most podcasts and blogs from the Robins fans think a red card was a fair decision even though they hate langford

I don't see how anyone else can think otherwise, a Leeds fan i work with said he thought it was a bit dubious and I didn't even argue with him

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Most City fans accept it was a pen and straight red. Not all though…

Smart play from Moore, seems to slow down a fraction that makes Dickie run into the back of him and natural reaction is then to put arms around him.

If you look at the position of the ref, there is a Sheff player obstructing his view after the first second of contact, so it was a bit of guesswork on his behalf that Dickie’s tackle was deserved of a penalty/sending off.

Could have gone either way, and if it was ourclaim it would no doubt have been waved play on. Stupid challenge though that gave the ref a decision to make, triggered by an initial error of judgement and then just a defender’s desire to make a challenge autopilot.

 

[mcbladeface]

Most City fans accept it was a pen and straight red. Not all though…

Smart play from Moore, seems to slow down a fraction that makes Dickie run into the back of him and natural reaction is then to put arms around him.

Yeah, my natural reaction when I bump into someone in front of me is to put my arms around them and squeeze. Oddly this defence does not seem to have been accepted by the courts so far but hopefully they'll see sense soon.

 

[FTPE]

What's this about getting rid of the double jeopardy part? So they shouldn't be punished twice (red and a pen) but only if the tackle was intent for the ball. Pulling isn't an attempt to play it?
I dont, I've even lost myself typing that.

 

[Zero dark thirty]

Penalty all day long for me and a stupid silly pull back when the keeper could have saved the shot

 

[Gimli]

What's this about getting rid of the double jeopardy part? So they shouldn't be punished twice (red and a pen) but only if the tackle was intent for the ball. Pulling isn't an attempt to play it?
I dont, I've even lost myself typing that.

People conveniently choose to ignore the part of double jeopardy that states you have to make a genuine attempt to play the ball.

Pulling someone back with your arms can never be considered to be a ‘genuine attempt’ to win the ball.

 

[FTPE]

People conveniently choose to ignore the part of double jeopardy that states you have to make a genuine attempt to play the ball.

Pulling someone back with your arms can never be considered to be a ‘genuine attempt’ to win the ball.

So that means a player/team CAN be punished twice then? By the laws of the game. If he'd slid in with his feet, took out the man in attempting to get the ball, we would have got a pen, but only a yellow?

 

[originaltrueblade]

Manning still persists when asked about the red card appeal he says

“Appeal’s been dismissed he can’t play they say pulled back no attempt to play ball but he got a foot on the ball”

Manning is a complete nut job put another three past em Blades!

 

[Wards]

Manning can't seem to understand that the only reason Dickie got a foot on the ball is because he pulled Moore backwards and stopped his momentum BEFORE attempting to make a tackle.

The bloke is a complete imbecile if he can't see that. Whinging tosser.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

If VAR had been in use Campbell's disallowed goal might have stood as it might have shown Peck onside or Peck being fouled. VAR would of course have shown the referee was correct with the penalty and red card which couldn't have been more obvious.

Interesting comment. Had Peck touched the ball I'm pretty confident VAR would have spotted the fact he wee being pulled back by his shirt. Bizarrely VAR would probably have given a penalty in those circumstances

 

[Dan Emery]

Why does anyone still give a toss about the disallowed goal when we went on to win 0-3 and they had a key player sent off (and suspended for the return leg)?

At the point of the disallowed goal the score was nil nil. If that 'goal' had been given then the rest of the match would have been completely different (and we very might well not have seen a 0-3 result).

Let's forget the if's, what's and maybe's and move on eh?

 

[Bell4]

Funny that, because that's how Porktalk see it.
I've had to watch it back 70 times just too make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks.

You’re doing it on purpose now

 

[Beans]

So that means a player/team CAN be punished twice then? By the laws of the game. If he'd slid in with his feet, took out the man in attempting to get the ball, we would have got a pen, but only a yellow?

Yes. As long as the referee judges that it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, it would only be a yellow and a pen. If Dickie had committed the same foul but outside of the box it would still be a red card, the whole "double jeopardy" thing is designed to avoid an overly-harsh punishment for a mis-timed tackle where you lose a player and concede a pen at once.

No idea why this particular example has stuck in my head but here's Phil Jones denying a goalscoring opportunity with a pretty rubbish tackle and only getting booked for it (skip to 40 seconds). Chelsea players either didn't know the laws or (semi-justifiably) thought it wasn't a genuine attempt by Jones, so were demanding a red. Dickie was being a thickie.

 

[TJ blade]

If VAR had been in use Campbell's disallowed goal might have stood as it might have shown Peck onside or Peck being fouled. VAR would of course have shown the referee was correct with the penalty and red card which couldn't have been more obvious.

At last some common sense

 

[Selly]

Yes. As long as the referee judges that it was a genuine attempt to play the ball, it would only be a yellow and a pen

Unless of course the tackle was deemed dangerous play and worthy of a red wherever it was on the pitch - in which case the Double Jeopardy would not apply

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Our fans wouldn't have cared, the most wokey, laid back, accepting of any old shit fans wouldn't be able to muster the effort to be apoplectic about anything

 

[TJ blade]

According to the Penistone Road cloggers, Moore attacked, Dickie, and should have been sent off, which would have lost the match for the blades, and made them feel a lot better about the result... which there still crying about... the sad bastards

 

[Gimli]

So that means a player/team CAN be punished twice then? By the laws of the game. If he'd slid in with his feet, took out the man in attempting to get the ball, we would have got a pen, but only a yellow?

Yes if the referee deemed the slide to be a genuine attempt to play the ball.

I think the spirit of the rule is basically, if you don’t try to play the ball fairly, you deserve to be punished twice.

 

[Beans]

Unless of course the tackle was deemed dangerous play and worthy of a red wherever it was on the pitch - in which case the Double Jeopardy would not apply

Almost made an edit to that effect but thought nah, no one's that pedantic

 

[Selly]

Almost made an edit to that effect but thought nah, no one's that pedantic

Its not surprising that some don`t know the rules when there are several if then else conditions stacked within one another.

Like you said on Bladespod, I also felt like I was being gaslit by some of the online reaction - none of which was helped (IMO) by Goodman being so adamant it shouldn`t have been a red prior to half time (which he the walked back after HT when the three pitchside summarisers all said it was an obvious red)

 

[Cappy]

Poor likkle Robins