Dean Smith asked by Sky

[CentralQuay]

VAR taking a penalty away from Manure? What? Neither of them were penalties! But the ref had to let them score!! Corruption i'd say!

VAR overturned a decision which favored 'Manure', goes against the argument of corruption does it not?

 

[petcharlie]

I saw a stat on sky today saying that grealish is the most fouled player in the premier league, take that stat in and then ask yourself why would I expect any level of honesty and sportsmanship from anyone at villa

I am surprised he did not fall down when at the start he did not fall down running on the pitch.Had to laugh when he ran away from the car accident he had the other month from the scene of the crash.They only had to wait for him fall down and they could have caught him.

 

[petcharlie]

VAR overturned a decision which favored 'Manure', goes against the argument of corruption does it not?

May be they thought after Wednesday night fiasco giving Man u two penalties in one match might have been to rich even for them to get away with it after the publics reaction from football fans everywhere in the country not just Blades fans.

 

[CentralQuay]

May be they thought after Wednesday night fiasco giving Man u two penalties in one match might have been to rich even for them to get away with it after the publics reaction from football fans everywhere in the country not just Blades fans.

I think'most football fans understand the annoyance of being on the end of a wrong decision, it's happened to every club in multiple games.

But I also imagine most football fans believe that the cries of 'corruption' are just as embarrassing as the performance of the referees/technology at Villa.

 

[CentralQuay]

To be honest, I think the officials are too inept to be corrupt.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

To be honest, I think the officials are too inept to be corrupt.

more like some kind of unconscious bias ,man utd have had sixteen pens we have had one in.the var league they are top with +8 we are bottom with -5
That's not to mention the ref ( Manchester's Anthony Taylor ) blocking fleck for man city resulting in a goal ,the ghost goal the other night and other blatant poor decisions like soyuncus foul in.the build up.to Barnes goal and you can.see why people might get a bit paranoid
Oh and guess who our ref is for the man utd game ,I'll give you a clue I mentioned him earlier

 

[jockdodds]

more like some kind of unconscious bias ,man utd have had sixteen pens we have had one in.the var league they are top with +8 we are bottom with -5
That's not to mention the ref ( Manchester's Anthony Taylor ) blocking fleck for man city resulting in a goal ,the ghost goal the other night and other blatant poor decisions like soyuncus foul in.the build up.to Barnes goal and you can.see why people might get a bit paranoid
Oh and guess who our ref is for the man utd game ,I'll give you a clue I mentioned him earlier

You mean Chris Kavanagh?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

You mean Chris Kavanagh?

Yeah sorry

 

[jockdodds]

And Kavanagh was the fourth official at Villa Park.

 

[Sean Thornton]

How do you explain last night then?

VAR took away a penalty from Manchester United, a beneficial decision for "Little old Sheff Utd".

VAR “took it away” because it wasn’t a penalty.

After the Villa game, everyone involved will have been desperate to avoid another cock up.

 

[CentralQuay]

more like some kind of unconscious bias ,man utd have had sixteen pens we have had one in.the var league they are top with +8 we are bottom with -5
That's not to mention the ref ( Manchester's Anthony Taylor ) blocking fleck for man city resulting in a goal ,the ghost goal the other night and other blatant poor decisions like soyuncus foul in.the build up.to Barnes goal and you can.see why people might get a bit paranoid
Oh and guess who our ref is for the man utd game ,I'll give you a clue I mentioned him earlier

But the problem is, how did they know that Sheffield United would have stayed the course and been challenging Manchester United for that final 4th qualification spot? Most pundits had you in the bottom 3, but poor decisions have been going against you all year.

When we won the league the 'big clubs' (And Spurs),were convinced of corruption because of the exact reason with the awarding of penalties.
We were given 13, more than Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea combined.

If you look at penalties awarded over the past 5 years, Man United have been nearer the bottom than the top.

 

[CentralQuay]

VAR “took it away” because it wasn’t a penalty.

After the Villa game, everyone involved will have been desperate to avoid another cock up.

So you agree with me then, that there is no corruption.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

But the problem is, how did they know that Sheffield United would have stayed the course and been challenging Manchester United for that final 4th qualification spot? Most pundits had you in the bottom 3, but poor decisions have been going against you all year.

When we won the league the 'big clubs' (And Spurs),were convinced of corruption because of the exact reason with the awarding of penalties.
We were given 13, more than Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea combined.

If you look at penalties awarded over the past 5 years, Man United have been nearer the bottom than the top.

I'm not saying they did I'm.just saying that bigger more established clubs get more decisions than the less fashionable ones

 

[Sean Thornton]

So you agree with me then, that there is no corruption.

I’ve never mentioned corruption so yes. I do however think by not showing the so called Hawkeye images, there’s some kind of cover up, same as with the Stockley Park bullshit. Do l believe its Sheffield United specific. No. It’s protecting its grubby brand.
I’ve said on here that the result has to stand, no justification, whatever happened, for a replay, but that everyone would look better being fully open and honest. Hawkeye not working, no images, say so. The VAR ref is the part that can’t be properly explained though, hence much of the ill feeling and in some cases bed wetting.

 

[CentralQuay]

I’ve never mentioned corruption so yes. I do however think by not showing the so called Hawkeye images, there’s some kind of cover up, same as with the Stockley Park bullshit. Do l believe its Sheffield United specific. No. It’s protecting its grubby brand.
I’ve said on here that the result has to stand, no justification, whatever happened, for a replay, but that everyone would look better being fully open and honest. Hawkeye not working, no images, say so. The VAR ref is the part that can’t be properly explained though, hence much of the ill feeling and in some cases bed wetting.

I think that's the easiest part, the officials just are not of a good standard.
He looked lost based on the footage i've seen, with no idea what to do.

Although he's a twat, Mike Dean would have at least got involved with that one.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I’ve never mentioned corruption so yes. I do however think by not showing the so called Hawkeye images, there’s some kind of cover up, same as with the Stockley Park bullshit. Do l believe its Sheffield United specific. No. It’s protecting its grubby brand.
I’ve said on here that the result has to stand, no justification, whatever happened, for a replay, but that everyone would look better being fully open and honest. Hawkeye not working, no images, say so. The VAR ref is the part that can’t be properly explained though, hence much of the ill feeling and in some cases bed wetting.

Exactly right. If 7 cameras were obstructed as stated by Hawkeye, then show us the offending images. The fact that the only angles shown are SKY’s cameras is highly suspicious. GLT not working at all, or even being off is far worse, so it feels as though we’ve been fobbed off with this ‘occulsion’ narrative.

To you point CentralQuay, Man Utd are the Premier League’s central cash cow, and whilst outright corruption is unlikely, they certainly are the positive recipients of an unconscious bias in general. Let’s not waste energy debating a clear and obvious point that VAR is the latest in a long line of little leg ups they tend to receive.

 

[CentralQuay]

Exactly right. If 7 cameras were obstructed as stated by Hawkeye, then show us the offending images. The fact that the only angles shown are SKY’s cameras is highly suspicious. GLT not working at all, or even being off is far worse, so it feels as though we’ve been fobbed off with this ‘occulsion’ narrative.

To you point CentralQuay, Man Utd are the Premier League’s central cash cow, and whilst outright corruption is unlikely, they certainly are the positive recipients of an unconscious bias in general. Let’s not waste energy debating a clear and obvious point that VAR is the latest in a long line of little leg ups they tend to receive.

VAR could have remained anonymous, like they did in your game, and it would have benefited Manchester United.

Just not buying it i'm afraid.
They've been tragic since Fergie left, they missed out on top 4 last season, and they most likely will again this.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

VAR could have remained anonymous, like they did in your game, and it would have benefited Manchester United.

Just not buying it i'm afraid.
They've been tragic since Fergie left, they missed out on top 4 last season, and they most likely will again this.

There is a website that shows who benefits the most from controversial ( wrong ) decisions
Man utd and Liverpool top it every year

Have you been watching football long because you really do come across as a FIFA playing fourteen year old who has never left his bedroom

 

[CentralQuay]

There is a website that shows who benefits the most from controversial ( wrong ) decisions
Man utd and Liverpool top it every year

Have you been watching football long because you really do come across as a FIFA playing fourteen year old who has never left his bedroom

I had season tickets at both Blades and Leicester simultaneously a few years back when I lived in Sheffield, I personally think forming an opinion that is not influenced by my own bias is always the way to go.

You use Manchester United being top of the "Favorable VAR decision" table as being justification for your belief that it does harm for 'less fashionable clubs'......
But fail to mention the next four sides receiving the most benefit are Brighton, Palace, Burnley and Southampton.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I had season tickets at both Blades and Leicester simultaneously a few years back when I lived in Sheffield, I personally think forming an opinion that is not influenced by my own bias is always the way to go.

You use Manchester United being top of the "Favorable VAR decision" table as being justification for your belief that it does harm for 'less fashionable clubs'......
But fail to mention the next four sides receiving the most benefit are Brighton, Palace, Burnley and Southampton.

Every season ?

 

[CentralQuay]

Every season ?

Well it's the first season with VAR, so being top of it for 'Every season' whilst it sounds like it proves your narrative, isn't that valid.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Well it's the first season with VAR, so being top of it for 'Every season' whilst it sounds like it proves your narrative, isn't that valid.

I'm talking about the site that has been around for years showing refereeing howlers and who benefits the most in a revised league table

You want to try reading peoples replys to you before you get all smart arsed

 

[CentralQuay]

I'm talking about the site that has been around for years showing refereeing howlers and who benefits the most in a revised league table

You want to try reading peoples replys to you before you get all smart arsed

I've read all your replies, correctly, and all you have talked about are wacky conspiracies, I like to deal in facts, or at least evidence.

Overturned VAR decisions does not mean what you clearly think it does.
You have had 4 goals ruled out by VAR for offside....Which literally means the referees made mistakes which you benefited from!

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I've read all your replies, correctly, and all you have talked about are wacky conspiracies, I like to deal in facts, or at least evidence.

Overturned VAR decisions does not mean what you clearly think it does.
You have had 4 goals ruled out by VAR for offside....Which literally means the referees made mistakes which you benefited from!

I haven't mentioned one conspiracy theory ,I don't believe in them
I know what an overturned var decision is and the fact is we are the lowest beneficiaries of that system.
That is not a conspiracy theory that is a fact

 

[HVR]

This is the best line:
"Smith is keen though to draw a line under the incident and focus on the positives"
Like the positives of the actual incident itself whereby a goal was not given to the opposing team?

 

[ThatJa]

He didn't justify it at all.

Could tell he was uncomfortable. He knows "sporting integrity" was compromised. Hypocritical bell end.

Roles reversed, does he cry to Wilder & try to get a goal given - as he did with Leeds. Yes. Does Wilder allow it? Yes.

I am absolutely certain if roles were reversed, Wilder would not be giving them a walk in goal.

 

[ThatJa]

I’ve never mentioned corruption so yes. I do however think by not showing the so called Hawkeye images, there’s some kind of cover up, same as with the Stockley Park bullshit. Do l believe its Sheffield United specific. No. It’s protecting its grubby brand.
I’ve said on here that the result has to stand, no justification, whatever happened, for a replay, but that everyone would look better being fully open and honest. Hawkeye not working, no images, say so. The VAR ref is the part that can’t be properly explained though, hence much of the ill feeling and in some cases bed wetting.

Well they've already confirmed that the 7 cameras in the stadium couldn't decide if it was a goal, so there wouldn't be an image if the camera's can't decide. Seems like the cameras were thinking about it for 15mins because apparently the watch stated goal in the dressing room?

Smart camera's really are smart these days!

 

[CentralQuay]

I haven't mentioned one conspiracy theory ,I don't believe in them
I know what an overturned var decision is and the fact is we are the lowest beneficiaries of that system.
That is not a conspiracy theory that is a fact

Which means that the referees were unfairly favoring Sheffield United.
5 goals were scored unfairly, 1 as a result of a handball and 4 were offside.

These were not subjective decisions.
So referees 'helping' the big boys, is clearly a myth.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Which means that the referees were unfairly favoring Sheffield United.
5 goals were scored unfairly, 1 as a result of a handball and 4 were offside.

These were not subjective decisions.
So referees 'helping' the big boys, is clearly a myth.

Referees pre-emptively helping the big boys might be a myth, but the biggest, most fashionable clubs being the recipient of favourable (unconscious) bias certainly isn’t. There’s empirical, longitudinal data clearing making that conclusion.

Hiding away the use of technology and the reasons why a decision is taken, almost certainly reinforces that bias. Unconscious bias is tackled by bringing it into full awareness, therefore:

1. Show us (Crowd via big screen, TV audience) the live feed of what the VAR are seeing. The knowledge of shared review brings transparency.
2. Further, let everyone hear the discussion between VAR and the officials so we can understand why a decision was taken. Again, having to justify why a review goes a certain way exposes bias to reason.
3. Introduce an appeal system for each team captain, whereby they can request a review of an incident. However, this review has to be undertaken by the referee using the pitch side monitor. And again, we see what they see.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Which means that the referees were unfairly favoring Sheffield United.
5 goals were scored unfairly, 1 as a result of a handball and 4 were offside.

These were not subjective decisions.
So referees 'helping' the big boys, is clearly a myth.

Get back to your Xbox lad