Deadwood

[JJBlade]

Fans of Portsmouth, Newcastle and Glasgow Rangers have all had great times in spite of how badly they have been run "occasionally"
Port Vale and Notts County........Are you really comparing us with them in terms of potential ?

The pro rata bit was a poor choice of wording....fair enough, not that it matters that much.

My point is that every club of large and even medium size has either won something, qualified for Europe or had a prolonged stay in the top flight over the last couple of generations.
Many small clubs like Luton, Swindon, Oxford and Wimbledon have also trumped us in the last 40 odd years, and are no worse than us even now.

The whole club is poisoned from top to bottom with limitations.
We can't do this, we can't do that, we can't possibly do the other.

Yet clubs of similar size just get on with it, they may have bad times now and then but they will always achieve something sooner or later.

Do you really believe that clubs like Derby, Forest, Wolves, Southampton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Norwich, Wendy, Leicester, Middlesbro, QPR, to name but a few will spend the next 90 years without qualifying for Europe by either winning something or achieving a high League position. Do you think they will sink back to Division Three and be unable to get out of it.
I don't, if any of those clubs sink back to Division Three they will be back out of it almost immediately because they aren't clubs that feel sorry for themselves, blame someone else, or spread poisonous limitations throughout the club.

All of them will have their day in the sun again because they are RUN BETTER and have a WINNING MENTALITY instead of creating LIMITATIONS.
What they are doing might not always work but when they get it right they have a bit of success, qualify for Europe or win a trophy.

I know one fairly large club not a million miles away that won't achieve anything for another 90 odd years if things at the top don't change, but it won't be any of the above clubs

 

[Rodley]

Fans of Portsmouth, Newcastle and Glasgow Rangers have all had great times in spite of how badly they have been run "occasionally"
Port Vale and Notts County........Are you really comparing us with them in terms of potential ?

The pro rata bit was a poor choice of wording....fair enough, not that it matters that much.

My point is that every club of large and even medium size has either won something, qualified for Europe or had a prolonged stay in the top flight over the last couple of generations.
Many small clubs like Luton, Swindon, Oxford and Wimbledon have also trumped us in the last 40 odd years, and are no worse than us even now.

The whole club is poisoned from top to bottom with limitations.
We can't do this, we can't do that, we can't possibly do the other.

Yet clubs of similar size just get on with it, they may have bad times now and then but they will always achieve something sooner or later.

Do you really believe that clubs like Derby, Forest, Wolves, Southampton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Norwich, Wendy, Leicester, Middlesbro, QPR, to name but a few will spend the next 90 years without qualifying for Europe by either winning something or achieving a high League position. Do you think they will sink back to Division Three and be unable to get out of it.
I don't, if any of those clubs sink back to Division Three they will be back out of it almost immediately because they aren't clubs that feel sorry for themselves, blame someone else, or spread poisonous limitations throughout the club.

All of them will have their day in the sun again because they are RUN BETTER and have a WINNING MENTALITY instead of creating LIMITATIONS.
What they are doing might not always work but when they get it right they have a bit of success, qualify for Europe or win a trophy.

I know one fairly large club not a million miles away that won't achieve anything for another 90 odd years if things at the top don't change, but it won't be any of the above clubs

 

[Blade56]

If players aim to believe in the self-fulfilling prophecy, i'd like to believe that the Manager can see what is happening and act accordingly.

If they want the applause, the adulation, the support. the players must also accept that they will receive the opposite reactions too.

In the line of work I specialised in, folks were surprised when I didn't shower praise and thanks on them, for doing a job they got paid to do.

A little observation too, if the players who are reading this forum, get a little bit upset, feel hard done by, TOUGH.
If you're NOT happy with the lifestyle you chose and the "job" you're in, do me a favour and move on.

I didn't know you were a careers advisor L, nice one

 

[Darthblade]

Let's be fair, the players, who were dumped out of the first round of a poxy cup, by a poxy club, did not get any abuse. The pelted being given, some unfair, are online.

They lost because they, once again, weren't good enough.

This myth that the worst period in the club's history is in any way linked to the fans needs killing.

There was again zero return for the fans, and the usual fat pay packets for the players.

We lost because the players were not got enough, once again.

UTB

Spot on mate !!

The supporters aren't the ones on the pitch, but some people seem to put the blame for the Club's continued self-imposed exile in the lower leagues at the door of the supporters ........ quite how this works I'm not sure.

During the last 5 years Blades supporters have continued to support the Club in numbers that are the envy of most of the Championship and many of the Premiership ........ we are the only part of the supporter / player / Manager / Board partnership that have delivered the goods .........

If the players, management & Board had the passion, commitment, ambition and dedication that the Blades supporters have then we would currently be in the top end of the championship, or possibly even the lower end of the Premiership.

UTB & FTP

 

[BushBlade]

Spot on mate !!

The supporters aren't the ones on the pitch, but some people seem to put the blame for the Club's continued self-imposed exile in the lower leagues at the door of the supporters ........ quite how this works I'm not sure.

During the last 5 years Blades supporters have continued to support the Club in numbers that are the envy of most of the Championship and many of the Premiership ........ we are the only part of the supporter / player / Manager / Board partnership that have delivered the goods .........

If the players, management & Board had the passion, commitment, ambition and dedication that the Blades supporters have then we would currently be in the top end of the championship, or possibly even the lower end of the Premiership.

UTB & FTP

It's an interesting hypothesis though. The effect of supporters on the success or failure of their club. For example, Charlton supporters hounded out Curbishley because they thought they could do better than mid table PL. Newcastle never really took to Pardew or Allardyce, soon turned on them and suffered the consequences.

On the other hand there seems to be a much greater number of clubs that suffer from being poorly run. Blackburn, for example. I don't think too many Blackburn supporters wanted rid of Allardyce but he was sacked anyway. Similarly I don't think QPR fans had any significant influence on the decisions of their board.

We're certainly not responsible for Robson, which started this decline. Can we be blamed for 'crowd pleasing' appointments like Blackwell or Adams? Probably not.
Did we turn on Wilson a bit quickly? I think so but I was one of them. Weir more or less sacked himself with his naivety. Most of us would have given Clough more time. Adkins? That was a WTF year. I think he lost everyone's confidence.

Conclusion - probably not our fault.

 

[ernie]

"Key player" DCL again failed to show any promise.

The usual academy young prospect nonsense aside, I have no idea what anyone sees in him.

UTB

You missed the same thing as wilder then

 

[alcoblade]

You missed the same thing as wilder then

We'll see....

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Nothing to do with my entire life supporting them I suppose, just the last two games.

It's like watching an old dying relative, you want them to live on but because of their suffering you also hope you wake up in the armchair and find that they've slipped away in their sleep.
At least with an old dying relative you can reminisce about the good times, the times when they were fit, the times when they were happy, the times when they were strong and the time that they achieved something.

Unlike what we'll be left with when United die

In retrospect, possibly the worst post of the year

 

[ghandi]

You have to hand it to Tufty has done a great job in getting rid of most of the deadwood problem is he's replaced it with traffic cones.

Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa