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DCL & Adams leaving shows the kind of character and effort required to get out of this league. Not world beaters but players who will put a shift in for the club.

These two didn't show that. Simple as that.

We Took the money and strengthened the squad to enable the club to move forward.

Great business from CW.

It may be slightly interesting to see how they progress but only very slightly....... If at all.
 
nopigfansintown said:
I'm disappointed we sold him for the fee we did, and am not remotely surprised he is so well thought of at Everton - he was outstanding at academy level. If the fee allows Wilder to strengthen substantially in January - and we get promotion as a result,- it'll have been worth it: I think he is still a year or two from being ready to mix it consistently in the senior game, and we already have good options at this level.
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I think we've already spent it.
 
Clarkey87 said:
Can't fault him for wanting to move for better wages and an increased profile of being a player associated with a premier league club.
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I was told in mid August that he was surprised when he first heard about Everton making enquiries about him but he was happy about staying with us when it seemed that we had rejected their offer. About two weeks later he was off to Everton
 
Got a mate who supports Everton and who watches all 1st team/2nd team games for them, says DCL is a cracking bit of business,says he looks a good`un.

Also says steve gerrard is a c***, he knows he is nothing to do with DCL but just likes to mention it.
 
Heaton moor blade said:
You know Jordan well do you, know his attitude character and work ethic?

You know dom well too I'm guessing?

Obviously not as they are two complete opposites you plonker, related though they are cousins it would be a good idea for you to put more thought into your ridiculous comments
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Oh I know them all me. Thank you very much ;)
 
larkymasher said:
DCL & Adams leaving shows the kind of character and effort required to get out of this league. Not world beaters but players who will put a shift in for the club.

These two didn't show that. Simple as that
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Yeh, 11 league goals in a first full season. What a waste of space. Clark and Lavery are banging them in, aren't they?
 
Revolution said:
Yeh, 11 league goals in a first full season. What a waste of space. Clark and Lavery are banging them in, aren't they?
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11 league goals, an attitude like shite and desperate to get a move, that adds up to a good bit of business.

..... i am sure you will enjoy seeing him progress to greatness.
 
larkymasher said:
11 league goals, an attitude like shite and desperate to get a move, that adds up to a good bit of business.

..... i am sure you will enjoy seeing him progress to greatness.
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I couldn't care less what he does now. Perhaps he'd have done as well for us again as he did last year.

Let me ask you this: if selling our good young players is a good bit of business, why are we in league one for a sixth season in a row? Doesn't seem like good business to me. Seems like a failed transfer policy.
 
Revolution said:
I couldn't care less what he does now. Perhaps he'd have done as well for us again as he did last year.

Let me ask you this: if selling our good young players is a good bit of business, why are we in league one for a sixth season in a row? Doesn't seem like good business to me. Seems like a failed transfer policy.
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Great point pal.

My only reason for saying Adams and DCL being sold is good business is that they were not in Wilders thinking for regular first team football. The money raised has gone back into the first team to strengthen it to get us out of this league.

The last 6 years, we have without question had the squads to get out of this league but so called good players have under performed.

If we sell 2 good young players who are not first team regulars to put together a squad to get out of this division then its good business as far as i am concerned.

My question to you pal is this...... Have we missed Adams and DCL? Yes Lavery, Clarke are injured and yet to contribute but have we missed the two players in question?

Our conversation is all about our point of views. Only at the end of the season will we know if it was a master stroke to sell or the biggest cock and balls decision we have endured.
 
larkymasher said:
Great point pal.

My only reason for saying Adams and DCL being sold is good business is that they were not in Wilders thinking for regular first team football. The money raised has gone back into the first team to strengthen it to get us out of this league.

The last 6 years, we have without question had the squads to get out of this league but so called good players have under performed.

If we sell 2 good young players who are not first team regulars to put together a squad to get out of this division then its good business as far as i am concerned.

My question to you pal is this...... Have we missed Adams and DCL? Yes Lavery, Clarke are injured and yet to contribute but have we missed the two players in question?

Our conversation is all about our point of views. Only at the end of the season will we know if it was a master stroke to sell or the biggest cock and balls decision we have endured.
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DCL - no
Adams - perhaps in the first few games.

Will we miss them going forward? We may if the striker injury crisis does not ease.

We will see, as you say.
 

larkymasher said:
Great point pal.

My only reason for saying Adams and DCL being sold is good business is that they were not in Wilders thinking for regular first team football. The money raised has gone back into the first team to strengthen it to get us out of this league.

The last 6 years, we have without question had the squads to get out of this league but so called good players have under performed.

If we sell 2 good young players who are not first team regulars to put together a squad to get out of this division then its good business as far as i am concerned.

My question to you pal is this...... Have we missed Adams and DCL? Yes Lavery, Clarke are injured and yet to contribute but have we missed the two players in question?

Our conversation is all about our point of views. Only at the end of the season will we know if it was a master stroke to sell or the biggest cock and balls decision we have endured.
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We'll never know if it was the right decision because we'll never know what the alternative was and how that would have panned out. Maybe if we'd kept those two we wouldn't have signed Moore and EEL, maybe not Fleck. Maybe we'd still have DCL and Che but in a side with shit defenders, a poor keeper and an average midfield.

Wilder has spent the money wisely, whatever happens and that's all he can do. He doesn't set the budget, he just has to try to get best value from it.
 
I for one wasn't at all concerned when Adams left, because as other have said, he wanted out and clearly thinks he was better than United. He started off well at the Blues but has only scored one or two and I also noticed Blues fans saying how much effort he puts in, which was never the case here so clearly he wasn't fussed about giving his all for us.

With DCL, I think he knew that Wilder wasn't massively keen on him, even though he had him on loan last season and DCL knew he was going to behind a few players, notably Leon Clarke who was brought into the club to do a job that DCL was going to provide. If I was DCL I would have stayed at United and asked for a loan move to a League 2 club again, rather than go the other way and condemn himself to reserve team football and potential loan spells at League's One and 2 no doubt over the forthcoming seasons.
 
Booker4 said:
I for one wasn't at all concerned when Adams left, because as other have said, he wanted out and clearly thinks he was better than United. He started off well at the Blues but has only scored one or two and I also noticed Blues fans saying how much effort he puts in, which was never the case here so clearly he wasn't fussed about giving his all for us.

With DCL, I think he knew that Wilder wasn't massively keen on him, even though he had him on loan last season and DCL knew he was going to behind a few players, notably Leon Clarke who was brought into the club to do a job that DCL was going to provide. If I was DCL I would have stayed at United and asked for a loan move to a League 2 club again, rather than go the other way and condemn himself to reserve team football and potential loan spells at League's One and 2 no doubt over the forthcoming seasons.
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You don't often get a chance to move to a premier league side, hence there was only one way DCL would go, and i can't blame the lad.

A reasonable contract for 4 years with the chance to break into the premier league. If it fails, he will be 23 and have 12 years left to make a career out of the game in the lower leagues.

No brainer for the lad.

As for Adams, i really don't care. Billy big cock and balls thought sufc was clearly way below him. SUFC will go a lot further than Adams over the next 3 years.
 
larkymasher said:
You don't often get a chance to move to a premier league side, hence there was only one way DCL would go, and i can't blame the lad.

A reasonable contract for 4 years with the chance to break into the premier league. If it fails, he will be 23 and have 12 years left to make a career out of the game in the lower leagues.

No brainer for the lad.

As for Adams, i really don't care. Billy big cock and balls thought sufc was clearly way below him. SUFC will go a lot further than Adams over the next 3 years.
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Good observations about Adams. Clearly an ego that was expanding at a rate of knots, something that could disrupt the dressing room and cause all sorts of problems. Wilder will have taken note of this and seen an opportunity to cash in on a currently valued asset, thus he saw the point of moving him on with one eye clearly fixed on more compatible targets. We haven't missed Che, more importantly, it's where we end up that matters. Adams is already yesterday's chip paper so I have no interest in his career, all that matters to me is how we progress.
 
Ricky said:
Not surprised. He's got a lot going for him and seems to have performed consistently well at youth level.

Still very disappointed we sold him. We had absolutely nothing to lose with him. The sale will only be acceptable if we sign quality in January.
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realistically we dont have the resourses to hang on to long term promise at the moment
our sole reason d'etre is getting experienced players in to get us out of league one
DCL was a luxury beyond our immediate requirements
 
larkymasher said:
You don't often get a chance to move to a premier league side, hence there was only one way DCL would go, and i can't blame the lad.

A reasonable contract for 4 years with the chance to break into the premier league. If it fails, he will be 23 and have 12 years left to make a career out of the game in the lower leagues.

No brainer for the lad.

As for Adams, i really don't care. Billy big cock and balls thought sufc was clearly way below him. SUFC will go a lot further than Adams over the next 3 years.
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I still think its a bad move for DCL personally. I would have wanted to leave my makk at the club I suported myself. You might think that's easy for me to say without the opportunity to actually consider that DCL did, but why would I leave United which is my club? Especially when you know you'e just going to be playing under 21 football for probably at least 2 seasons. He might not have been a starter at our place but he was on the fringes and on the bench and considering the injury to Clarke, I'm sure he would have got a chance to impress over recent weeks. I'm not faulting him so much, just think its a bad move. At 23 yes he'll still be young, but at 23 players like Brian Deane who came from the lower leagues, then to us, was able to get two promotions and countless goals before he left for Leeds at 25.

DCL is more likely to be the next Jordan Slew than Brian Deane in my view, but I do think he's got a good attitude as a pro, but I can't see ho moving to Everton is going to give him regular football. Everyone always talks about how the under 21's isn't real football which matures players, why condemn yourself to seasons of that?
 
Barney said:
Still can't believe we got all that money for someone who hadn't even made an impression on our first team, or even had a string of starts for that matter. What a weird but welcome deal it was.
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Or maybe Everton recognised potential? As we see in the Stefan Scougall link, Adkins was a fraud and an utterly useless manager. Che's 11 goals last season were remarkable and despite Adkins thinking he could wreck a young players' carereer based on his own wrong-headed opinions. DCL got out in time.
 
ken shabby said:
Everton mate sent me this on Dom....


http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/09/2...n-twitter-to-dominic-calvert-lewin-and-oumar/

and repeated "did i tell you gerrard was a c***?" ... yes mate, you did and no doubt you are quite correct
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It's a shame that young lads at the start of promising careers get such bad press from sufc fans! Can the likes of Everton manchester Utd and England be wrong? Played 3 for his country and scored 3 against Germany and Brazil :/ the best in the world may I add! At lot on here think so? When it comes to opinions I'm sure dom and cha will be bothered about the ones of the experts in the game! Good luck to them both, both playing at a higher level and doing very well..
 
Booker4 said:
I still think its a bad move for DCL personally. I would have wanted to leave my makk at the club I suported myself. You might think that's easy for me to say without the opportunity to actually consider that DCL did, but why would I leave United which is my club? Especially when you know you'e just going to be playing under 21 football for probably at least 2 seasons. He might not have been a starter at our place but he was on the fringes and on the bench and considering the injury to Clarke, I'm sure he would have got a chance to impress over recent weeks. I'm not faulting him so much, just think its a bad move. At 23 yes he'll still be young, but at 23 players like Brian Deane who came from the lower leagues, then to us, was able to get two promotions and countless goals before he left for Leeds at 25.

DCL is more likely to be the next Jordan Slew than Brian Deane in my view, but I do think he's got a good attitude as a pro, but I can't see ho moving to Everton is going to give him regular football. Everyone always talks about how the under 21's isn't real football which matures players, why condemn yourself to seasons of that?
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Leaving aside the issue of our propensity to sell, it's a very tough decision for a young player.

Walker, Naughton, and Lowton all left relatively early and have done really well
Maguire had 3 full years but was still young when he left: the jury is still out on that decision, I think. Although he has presumably earned more money, he has played a lot less, and he doesn't look a PL player.
I think there is little doubt that Slew's move was a bad one for him career wise and may even be one money wise already
Is Jacob Mellis better off? He's played at a higher level than us or at the same level for most of the time since his move, though I'd rather be at United than Bury now. Tough one.

I can see why Adams and DCL left - money. Adams is getting games at a higher level, to mixed reviews. DCL wasn't playing and still isn't playing. Both must be on a lot more money. Too early to tell if it was the right decision.
 

Booker4 said:
I still think its a bad move for DCL personally. I would have wanted to leave my makk at the club I suported myself. You might think that's easy for me to say without the opportunity to actually consider that DCL did, but why would I leave United which is my club? Especially when you know you'e just going to be playing under 21 football for probably at least 2 seasons. He might not have been a starter at our place but he was on the fringes and on the bench and considering the injury to Clarke, I'm sure he would have got a chance to impress over recent weeks. I'm not faulting him so much, just think its a bad move. At 23 yes he'll still be young, but at 23 players like Brian Deane who came from the lower leagues, then to us, was able to get two promotions and countless goals before he left for Leeds at 25.

DCL is more likely to be the next Jordan Slew than Brian Deane in my view, but I do think he's got a good attitude as a pro, but I can't see ho moving to Everton is going to give him regular football. Everyone always talks about how the under 21's isn't real football which matures players, why condemn yourself to seasons of that?
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I agree Booker but........... you say he was on the fringes and bench for SUFC, League 1

He is now on the fringes and bench for Everton, Premier League

Add a longer contract on more money, how on earth can you say its not a great move for the lad.

Dare i say SUFC means more to you than it did DCL ?
 
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