DCL Coming Back

[Darren]

How do you know where on the scale of ability someone falling under the 'above average' category is? Therefore, how can you say for definite, that that person wouldn't achieve 8 in 26? Time for me to do some context mixing, so are you saying all 4 million in that category wouldn't be able to match DCL's record?

I would say that anyone on the 51-99% scale of ability wouldn't match DCL's record - some in the top one per cent might. That's still 80,000 people.

The fact is that football is a pure meritocracy. If Northampton spotted someone they could get to do DCL's job as well as him for less money, they would sign him. They not roaming the parks of Northampton looking for blokes at the 70% level of ability who would play for them for free. That's because he would be shit in the 4th Division.

 

[Barney]

I would say that anyone on the 51-99% scale of ability wouldn't match DCL's record - some in the top one per cent might. That's still 80,000 people.

The fact is that football is a pure meritocracy. If Northampton spotted someone they could get to do DCL's job as well as him for less money, they would sign him. They not roaming the parks of Northampton looking for blokes at the 70% level of ability who would play for them for free. That's because he would be shit in the 4th Division.

So out of 3,920,000 'above average' players, not one would be able to match DCL's record?

Now you're talking bollocks.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Why is it? I haven't even played for a club, but I still don't think it's silly to suggest an above average footballer is able to get eight goals in twenty-six starts. You'll have many chances in that twenty six, one's you won't need much ability to convert.

Haven't read all this thread but I can assure you that he has not started 26 games. Most of his league appearances have been from the bench. He has been starting in the cups where he has scored 3 in 6.

Eight of his last 10 appearances have been from the bench with some in the 80-90 minute mark. Can't be arsed to check further back than that but that shows it's definitely no more than 18 starts and I dare say is probably more like 13 with 13 sub appearances. Suddenly 8 goals looks a bit more impressive.

 

[Barney]

Haven't read all this thread but I can assure you that he has not started 26 games. Most of his league appearances have been from the bench. He has been starting in the cups where he has scored 3 in 6.

Eight of his last 10 appearances have been from the bench with some in the 80-90 minute mark. Can't be arsed to check further back than that but that shows it's definitely no more than 18 starts and I dare say is probably more like 13 with 13 sub appearances. Suddenly 8 goals looks a bit more impressive.

26 appearances nonetheless.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

26 appearances nonetheless.

One was in the 95th minute he came on. Overall, it probably equates to about 18 games. So 8 goals in 18 games suggests not the finished article but there is some promise there.

I don't know if he's played up front in every game either as he can also play in midfield.

 

[Darren]

So out of 3,920,000 'above average' players, not one would be able to match DCL's record?

Now you're talking bollocks.

If they could match his record, someone would be paying them to do so. No-one is.

There could possibly be one or two undiscovered gems in that collection of people, but the idea that the number of such gems is anything more than infinitesimal is ludicrous.

Out of interest, where would you put yourself (who apparently can match DCL) at the level of footballing ability?

 

[Barney]

If they could match his record, someone would be paying them to do so. No-one is.

There could possibly be one or two undiscovered gems in that collection of people, but the idea that the number of such gems is anything more than infinitesimal is ludicrous.

Out of interest, where would you put yourself (who apparently can match DCL) at the level of footballing ability?

Sorry, in complete disagreement with the first line.

There are a million and one different reasons some might not have been picked up on by professional clubs.

The second line is contradictory and contains a bit of back tracking.

The third line is deflective and nothing to do with the point. Again.

 

[Darren]

Sorry, in complete disagreement with the first line.

There are a million and one different reasons some might not have been picked up on by professional clubs.

The second line is contradictory and contains a bit of back tracking.

The third line is deflective and nothing to do with the point. Again.

I am trying to establish where you put the "above average" mark.

Let's go back to Sheffield FC. Players in the NPL are probably in the top 1% of players in the country. They are also playing organised relatively high level football and so will be scouted by league teams. On your argument such players must be interchangeable with DCL (the top 1% must fall into your "above average" category).

Are you really saying Northampton could pick any random forward from the NPL and he would be of the same ability as DCL?

 

[Barney]

I am trying to establish where you put the "above average" mark.

Let's go back to Sheffield FC. Players in the NPL are probably in the top 1% of players in the country. They are also playing organised relatively high level football and so will be scouted by league teams. On your argument such players must be interchangeable with DCL (the top 1% must fall into your "above average" category).

Are you really saying Northampton could pick any random forward from the NPL and he would be of the same ability as DCL?

Thanks, you're proving my point there. No I'm not saying any randomer from the NPL would be of the same ability as DCL, I'm saying it isn't impossible for players in that category to be able to match DCL's record, and judging by the slant of that post, it appears you'd agree with that, would you not?

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Now you're talking bollocks.

 

[I should coco]

Are you really saying Northampton could pick any random forward from the NPL and he would be of the same ability as DCL?

No, he's not REALLY saying that.

He changes tack from post to post and is desperately saying anything that will keep this turgid thread going. When everybody eventually gives up from sheer boredom, he is the last man left standing.

In his own mind, he has 'won'.

He probably has a quick wank to celebrate (as his mum has just told him he has fifteen minutes until his lunch is ready). Yum yum, a glass of Ribena and a ham sandwich with the crusts cut off.

ISC

 

[Darren]

Thanks, you're proving my point there. No I'm not saying any randomer from the NPL would be of the same ability as DCL, I'm saying it isn't impossible for players in that category to be able to match DCL's record, and judging by the slant of that post, it appears you'd agree with that, would you not?

It's not impossible that Sandra Bullock will send me an e-mail demanding a hot steamy session with me at her Hollywood Penthouse next Thursday, but it's very unlikely. As is your scenario.

What I would say is impossible is that you - with apparently no record of playing football at any semi serious level - could match DCL's record, as was your original claim.

You seem now to have moved from "me or any average player could match DCL's record" to "there may be some players playing at a lower than the 4th Division level who could match DCL's record". I can agree with the latter. The former is, of course, is bollocks.

 

[Barney]

It's not impossible that Sandra Bullock will send me an e-mail demanding a hot steamy session with me at her Hollywood Penthouse next Thursday, but it's very unlikely. As is your scenario.

What I would say is impossible is that you - with apparently no record of playing football at any semi serious level - could match DCL's record, as was your original claim.

You seem now to have moved from "me or any average player could match DCL's record" to "there may be some players playing at a lower than the 4th Division level who could match DCL's record". I can agree with the latter. The former is, of course, is bollocks.

Nope. Only ever been one scenario. A scenario that was attempted to be twisted several times by yourself, but I managed to keep it in it's original format, as I am not un-savvy to those sorts of things. Now it appears you actually agree, you seem to have twisted and changed it one last time in an attempt to make it look as though you stuck to your guns. Clever, I'll admit, but not opaque.

 

[Darren]

Nope. Only ever been one scenario. A scenario that was attempted to be twisted several times by yourself, but I managed to keep it in it's original format, as I am not un-savvy to those sorts of things. Now it appears you actually agree, you seem to have twisted and changed it one last time in an attempt to make it look as though you stuck to your guns. Clever, I'll admit, but not opaque.

This is what you originally said:

I honestly think I could score 8 goals if I got given 26 starts/appearances in league two

That's not the same as

No I'm not saying any randomer from the NPL would be of the same ability as DCL, I'm saying it isn't impossible for players in that category to be able to match DCL's record

Unless you yourself play In the NPL.

It's a big leap from saying you could match DCL's record to saying that it's not impossible some NPL players might be able to match it

 

[Barney]

This is what you originally said:

I honestly think I could score 8 goals if I got given 26 starts/appearances in league two

That's not the same as

No I'm not saying any randomer from the NPL would be of the same ability as DCL, I'm saying it isn't impossible for players in that category to be able to match DCL's record

Unless you yourself play In the NPL.

It's a big leap from saying you could match DCL's record to saying that it's not impossible some NPL players might be able to match it

"in that category" meaning above average, not solely NPL.

I'm saying it isn't impossible, and that I believe I could well be one of those in that category able to match it.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

History is littered with so many examples of potential footballing careers ruined by the lure of a fan messageboard.

 

[Bath Blade]

This is what you originally said:

I honestly think I could score 8 goals if I got given 26 starts/appearances in league two

That's not the same as

No I'm not saying any randomer from the NPL would be of the same ability as DCL, I'm saying it isn't impossible for players in that category to be able to match DCL's record

Unless you yourself play In the NPL.

It's a big leap from saying you could match DCL's record to saying that it's not impossible some NPL players might be able to match it

What an odd thread this is. All I can see is you arguing with yourself Darren (mind you, I have been utilising the ignore function).

 

[Caveblade]

I love the Ignore button, it has revolutionised my life in not having to put up with the self obsessed ramblings of the board idiot anymore, but it does make some threads seem a bit bizarre.

You should try it Darren, you would save an inordinate amount of time by not having to engage in debates with the mentally challenged. Debate is great and opposing views are part of life, but when somebody becomes so perverse and Len like in their opinions it is time to stop feeding their ego.

 

[Grappler]

"in that category" meaning above average, not solely NPL.

I'm saying it isn't impossible, and that I believe I could well be one of those in that category able to match it.

If you want to be a troll and a wind-up merchant, you need to be good at it and consistent.

You started off saying you could match DCL's goal scoring record at Northampton, then it was above average players, then average players, then no one in the NPL, then you would not get into a side, and now you are back at you believing you would be able to match!

When you say this to other people, “…Why are you twisting the original scenario in almost every post?..”.

You need to check what you have written yourself........

 

[mosbolad]

Give me 26 appearances up front in league two and I reckon I could match that.

I honestly think I could score 8 goals if I got given 26 starts/appearances in league two.

I haven't even played for a club

Keep em' coming Barney!

 

[Darren]

"in that category" meaning above average, not solely NPL.

I'm saying it isn't impossible, and that I believe I could well be one of those in that category able to match it.

Which again raises the question as to what level you have played at to lead you to believe that you could match DCL's scoring record.

 

[BushBlade]

History is littered with so many examples of potential footballing careers ruined by the lure of a fan messageboard.

I could have been a footballer.

But I had a paper round.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

That was good for second top scorer last season in a team that had difficulties scoring.

I wouldn't have him in place of Sharp, but I'm struggling to name another forward on our books who's better. Certainly not Sammon.

I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but I'm not with you on this mate. I think he's totally average for the league we're in and in between the occasional goal he's lazy and offers very little.

As long as Sharp is in the team and scoring he doesn't get a look in anyway in my opinion. I don't like the two of them playing together, doesn't work.

If we can get our money back for him or something close I would take it.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I honestly think I could score 8 goals if I got given 26 starts/appearances in league two. He's 18, he's younger and fitter.

How is it incredibly stupid? There's a reason he hasn't been mentioned much you know.

He's a midfielder isn't he?!

 

[Rodley]

Northampton rate him higher than Ivan Toney who was on loan there from Newcastle (now at Barnsley).

 

[Tezza1889]

Here he is again....

Shitting on our past....
Shitting on our present.....
Shitting on our future..........

Dcl is 18 years old, and doing the business against the opposition, what's not to like and encourage about that?

Tell you what, this barney fella has missed his calling in life, he should stand on stage and talk about his life, they'd be rolling about in the Isles....

Don't ban him, he proper makes me laugh....

 

[UnitedBlade]

Haven't read all this thread but I can assure you that he has not started 26 games. Most of his league appearances have been from the bench. He has been starting in the cups where he has scored 3 in 6.

Eight of his last 10 appearances have been from the bench with some in the 80-90 minute mark. Can't be arsed to check further back than that but that shows it's definitely no more than 18 starts and I dare say is probably more like 13 with 13 sub appearances. Suddenly 8 goals looks a bit more impressive.

I haven't read through all this thread either but at the risk of backing up exactly what you say with facts:

Capital Cup 1 start 1 sub, 105 minutes 1 goal
FL Trophy 2 starts, 170 minutes 1 goal
FA Cup 1 start 1 sub, 107 minutes 1 goal
FL2 7 starts, 13 sub, 901 minutes 5 goals

Total 11 starts (15sub), 1283 minutes 8 goals

A goal every 160 minutes (ie better than a goal every 2 games).

Only a fucking idiot would suggest this isn’t great stuff from our young 18 year old. Well done Dom, you should be very proud of yourself and I hope you make it in the game.

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

I haven't read through all this thread either but at the risk of backing up exactly what you say with facts:

Capital Cup 1 start 1 sub, 105 minutes 1 goal
FL Trophy 2 starts, 170 minutes 1 goal
FA Cup 1 start 1 sub, 107 minutes 1 goal
FL2 7 starts, 13 sub, 901 minutes 5 goals

Total 11 starts (15sub), 1283 minutes 8 goals

A goal every 160 minutes (ie better than a goal every 2 games).

Only a fucking idiot would suggest this isn’t great stuff from our young 18 year old. Well done Dom, you should be very proud of yourself and I hope you make it in the game.

UTB

I could definitely do better than that but I don't really like football.

 

[blade67]

What about being in the right place, at the right time? Latching on to crosses, pouncing on mistakes. There's much more to the game, and far more sources of goals than 1 v 1, defender vs attacker.

I can see that, and they will be far better, but that doesn't disprove the scenario.

This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read. I've played 1 or 2 levels above my ability from time to time and it's a humiliating experience, you simply can't get near the ball, never mind score goals. the chances simply don't come your way.

There is no luck in football success, it's a real meritocracy, the only players who have real ability and don't make it, either have injury/heath problems or have "issues".

You are in dreamland.

 

[finlaytheblade]

This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read. I've playe

Here he is again....

Shitting on our past....
Shitting on our present.....
Shitting on our future..........

Dcl is 18 years old, and doing the business against the opposition, what's not to like and encourage about that?

Tell you what, this barney fella has missed his calling in life, he should stand on stage and talk about his life, they'd be rolling about in the Isles....

Don't ban him, he proper makes me laugh....

He,s this site's Brian the blade I switch football heaven off when he,s on I suggest you ignore barney who isn't a blade
d 1 or 2 levels above my ability from time to time and it's a humiliating experience, you simply can't get near the ball, never mind score goals. the chances simply don't come your way.

There is no luck in football success, it's a real meritocracy, the only players who have real ability and don't make it, either have injury/heath problems or have "issues".

You are in dreamland.