DCL Coming Back

[Barney]

There are apparently 8.2 million adults who play football in the England

http://www.thefa.com/news/my-football/2015/jan/football-participation-on-rise

Assuming an average squad size of 25 per club that gives around 2300 players playing for the 92 FL and PL clubs - i.e. 0.03% of all those who play football. Those who play in the 4th Division may not be at the very top, but make no bones about it, that are in the elite of players in England.

So, in order to even get a kick in the 4th Divisiion, you would need to be better than 99.97 of everyone playing football in England.

That's you is it?

You're debating an entirely separate point. The point isn't about whether I'd be eligible to play there, because I wouldn't be. But in a hypothetical scenario, that wouldn't stop an above average footballer going on and being in the right place, the right time 8 times in 26 appearances.

 

[BushBlade]

You're debating an entirely separate point. The point isn't about whether I'd be eligible to play there, because I wouldn't be. But in a hypothetical scenario, that wouldn't stop an above average footballer going on and being in the right place, the right time 8 times in 26 appearances.

I've always felt the same about dentistry. It look pretty simple if you've got the right tools, just like brickwork repairs. I don't understand how they get away with charging so much.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

You're debating an entirely separate point. The point isn't about whether I'd be eligible to play there, because I wouldn't be. But in a hypothetical scenario, that wouldn't stop an above average footballer going on and being in the right place, the right time 8 times in 26 appearances.

He's not an above average footballer, he's an 18 year old making his 1st steps in professional football. You'd better pass on your expertise to van Gaal, Wenger etc as I see the likes of Rooney and Sanchez also seem to have similar disappointing goal ratios to our Dom this season despite having had more minutes on the pitch.

 

[Darren]

You're debating an entirely separate point. The point isn't about whether I'd be eligible to play there, because I wouldn't be. But in a hypothetical scenario, that wouldn't stop an above average footballer going on and being in the right place, the right time 8 times in 26 appearances.

So, why don't 4th Division teams play any average player up front and thus save themselves loads of money?

Tell you what, you tell Northampton you will play centre forward for them for only £50 a game plus travel expenses and point out that you will do as well as DCL and that they will be quids in with no adverse effect on their team.

Let me know what they say.

 

[I should coco]

No, I'm saying you'd receive at least 8 convertible chances in 26 league appearances. Even for an above average footballer. Add up the minutes, the probability of 8 chances coming your way is very much on the side of the player.

So not only are you god's gift to football and a forum troll, you are now some kind of statistical genus too.

Hat's off to you.

It must be great to live up there on Planet Barney.

ISC

 

[Barney]

So, why don't 4th Division teams play any average player up front and thus save themselves loads of money?

Tell you what, you tell Northampton you will play centre forward for them for only £50 a game plus travel expenses and point out that you will do as well as DCL and that they will be quids in with no adverse effect on their team.

Let me know what they say.

Again, that isn't the point. Far from it actually.

 

[Darren]

Again, that isn't the point. Far from it actually.

Why's that not the point? You said you could do as well as DCL in Northampton's team. If that were right, why would they pay him hundreds of pounds per week when you and loads of other average players could do the same job for much less money?

 

[Barney]

Why's that not the point? You said you could do as well as DCL in Northampton's team. If that were right, why would they pay him hundreds of pounds per week when you and loads of other average players could do the same job for much less money?

But that's irrelevant because that can't happen.

 

[Darren]

But that's irrelevant because that can't happen.

Why can't it happen?

 

[Slim Man]

No, I didn't think you had a reply either.

Oh, I have. You just can't argue with stupidity.

 

[Barney]

Why can't it happen?

A football club wouldn't take on players with no prior football club background/experience, regardless of their actual talent.

 

[Slim Man]

Why can't it happen?

Because that would involve Barney leaving his planet.

 

[Slim Man]

A football club wouldn't take on players with no prior professional background, regardless of their actual talent.

Jamie Vardy, Charlie Austin, Dwight Gayle, George Boyd, Craig Mackail Smith, Che Adams, Kieron Wallace???

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Why can't it happen?

I think it's something to do with the boot size....

 

[Darren]

A football club wouldn't take on players with no prior professional background, regardless of their actual talent.

Why would they not do that, if they could save loads of money with no detrimental effect on the team by signing someone like you to play up front?

 

[Barney]

Why would they not do that, if they could save loads of money with no detrimental effect on the team by signing someone like you to play up front?

I've already said. They wouldn't, it's a fact. Therefore irrelevant.

 

[Barney]

Jamie Vardy, Charlie Austin, Dwight Gayle, George Boyd, Craig Mackail Smith, Che Adams, Kieron Wallace???

Football club background/experience.

 

[Darren]

I've already said. They wouldn't, it's a fact. Therefore irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant at all. If your argument that "any average player" could do as well as DCL in the 4th division were true, common sense would indicate that all 4th division teams would be saving themselves loads of money by just picking blokes from pub teams to play up front (most of whom would not want to be paid).

Do you have any theory as to why all the 4th division managers are so stupid as to not to see that?

 

[Slim Man]

Football club background/experience.

So you're calling yourself an above average footballer despite the fact you have no footballing background or experience?

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Don't get me wrong, I think that you're a complete idiot and waste of space, as I think all attention seeking trolls are. The only interest I get out of reading your childish trash is to try and profile you.
My guess is;
17-21
Left school with 2 GCSE's
Single
Working, low level jobs. Generally leave after about 6 months, as you know better than your boss.
Live at home, parents divorced.
Desperately want to be liked, but it never quite happens for you.

 

[Darren]

Don't get me wrong, I think that you're a complete idiot and waste of space, as I think all attention seeking trolls are. The only interest I get out of reading your childish trash is to try and profile you.
My guess is;
17-21
Left school with 2 GCSE's
Single
Working, low level jobs. Generally leave after about 6 months, as you know better than your boss.
Live at home, parents divorced.
Desperately want to be liked, but it never quite happens for you.

What gets me with people like Barney is the tenacity with which they hang on to statements which are obviously bollocks. We all say daft things occasionally, most of us are wise enough to retreat from them when we realise their daftness.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Don't get me wrong, I think that you're a complete idiot and waste of space, as I think all attention seeking trolls are. The only interest I get out of reading your childish trash is to try and profile you.
My guess is;
17-21
Left school with 2 GCSE's
Single
Working, low level jobs. Generally leave after about 6 months, as you know better than your boss.
Live at home, parents divorced.
Desperately want to be liked, but it never quite happens for you.

Nah, Darren's a solicitor

 

[Barney]

It's not irrelevant at all. If your argument that "any average player" could do as well as DCL in the 4th division were true, common sense would indicate that all 4th division teams would be saving themselves loads of money by just picking blokes from pub teams to play up front (most of whom would not want to be paid).

Do you have any theory as to why all the 4th division managers are so stupid as to not to see that?

They wouldn't do it. End of. That doesn't make it impossible for an average player to score 8 times in 26 appearances. Would you agree that within those 26 games, quite a few minutes will have amassed. Within the sum total of those minutes, would it be likely for the player to receive at least 8, I wouldn't say 'easy', but 'convertible' chances in that time? That's my point.

 

[Barney]

Don't get me wrong, I think that you're a complete idiot and waste of space, as I think all attention seeking trolls are. The only interest I get out of reading your childish trash is to try and profile you.
My guess is;
17-21
Left school with 2 GCSE's
Single
Working, low level jobs. Generally leave after about 6 months, as you know better than your boss.
Live at home, parents divorced.
Desperately want to be liked, but it never quite happens for you.

Well you're wrong on all accounts. I wouldn't take up your creepy profiling full time.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Well you're wrong on all accounts. I wouldn't take up your creepy profiling full time.

Then it is even worse if you're an educated adult, with a high level job and have time and energy to be a troll on here

 

[Darren]

They wouldn't do it. End of. That doesn't make it impossible for an average player to score 8 times in 26 appearances. Would you agree that within those 26 games, quite a few minutes will have amassed. Within the sum total of those minutes, would it be likely for the player to receive at least 8, I wouldn't say 'easy', but 'convertible' chances in that time? That's my point.

So, you can't answer the point.

Any "average player" playing up front in the 4th division would be up against defenders in the top 0.03% of Defenders in the country. They would be far faster, far stronger, far more fit and far more skilful than him. He wouldn't get a kick.

Seriously, there is a point to be made that DCL may not be all that good and that scoring a few goals in the 4th division does not mean he is good enough for United's team. But you really detract from that point by making this ludicrous argument. Can you not see that?

 

[Barney]

So, you can't answer the point.

Any "average player" playing up front in the 4th division would be up against defenders in the top 0.03% of Defenders in the country. They would be far faster, far stronger, far more fit and far more skilful than him. He wouldn't get a kick.

Seriously, there is a point to be made that DCL may not be all that good and that scoring a few goals in the 4th division does not mean he is good enough for United's team. But you really detract from that point by making this ludicrous argument. Can you not see that?

I can see why some might see it that way, but I wouldn't call it ludicrous at all. I notice you didn't answer my point either.

 

[Darren]

I can see why some might see it that way, but I wouldn't call it ludicrous at all. I notice you didn't answer my point either.

I did answer your point. An average player would get virtually no chances as the defenders would beat him to the ball 99 times out of a 100.

Can you really not see that if a club is willing to pay a bloke hundreds of pounds a week to play football, he is going to be far far better than me or you that no-one would pay a penny for?

 

[Barney]

I did answer your point. An average player would get virtually no chances as the defenders would beat him to the ball 99 times out of a 100.

Can you really not see that if a club is willing to pay a bloke hundreds of pounds a week to play football, he is going to be far far better than me or you that no-one would pay a penny for?

What about being in the right place, at the right time? Latching on to crosses, pouncing on mistakes. There's much more to the game, and far more sources of goals than 1 v 1, defender vs attacker.

I can see that, and they will be far better, but that doesn't disprove the scenario.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

What about being in the right place, at the right time? Latching on to crosses, pouncing on mistakes. There's much more to the game, and far more sources of goals than 1 v 1, defender vs attacker.

I can see that, and they will be far better, but that doesn't disprove the scenario.

A bit like this you mean