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carthesis said:
To be totally fair, the career-ending injury to Morgs didn't help either.

I maintain that had Morgs been fit we wouldn't have gone down. It might not have been pretty, and it would have still been turgid to watch, but we wouldn't have shipped as many goals as we did which would probably have been enough to save us given how close it was in the end.
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Can’t really argue with that. It was certainly the last shovel on the buckaroo.
 



Chali 2na said:
It's ok saying "almost every club would...." but other clubs aren't suffering through an ownership battle.
If the owners weren't squabbling, then maybe we could have held out for money - they aren't though, so we obviously couldn't.
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The owners were also squabbling when bids for JOC and Fleck were rejected, because they were below valuation :)
 
Danny04 said:
The owners were also squabbling when bids for JOC and Fleck were rejected, because they were below valuation :)
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If we had failed to sell Brooks, then I imagine we wouldn't have been able to afford the luxury of rejecting such bids.

Essentially, someone had to be sold to fund the running of the club, regardless of whether the bid met our valuation.
 
Sean Thornton said:
The point that only one club bid has been made many times but is ignored in a flurry of supposition to try, unsuccessfully however anyone wants to argue it, to somehow disprove it. We know have the suggestion that PL clubs seemingly weren’t aware, despite his new high profile agent.

Should we have held out for more? Probably, hard to argue against now. Did anyone bid anymore?
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Sean Thornton said:
McCabe took the offer inside two minutes of receiving it, giving those two, and every other big club, no chance to chuck £20m on the table.
Brooks must be disgusted with his new agent who clearly acted like McCabe, smelled the money and got young David to sign there and then.
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They must have been aware of him. It seems they weren't aware of, or misjudged how good he was/could be. We shouldn't have, but it appears we did.

It was an expensive mistake from their point of view.
 
BushBlade said:
So was the post he was responding to. We didn’t get relegated because we sold Jags, Walker and Naughton, we got relegated because we sacked Blackwell at the wrong time, appointed Speed at the wrong time, didn’t back him and ended up with Adams. The Robson/Blackwell/Speed/Adams shitshow got us relegated. And there were plenty of opportunities to stop the slide, such as replacing Robson with a proper manager or sacking Blackwell at the end of the season instead of letting him fuck up the summer recruitment and then sacking him.
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Speed wasn’t manager during a transfer window surely? How could we back him?

Blackwell is/was a ****. Just in case anyone forgets.
 
Ricky said:
They must have been aware of him. It seems they weren't aware of, or misjudged how good he was/could be. We shouldn't have, but it appears we did.

It was an expensive mistake from their point of view.
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You're working on the assumption that every player fulfils his potential ,they don't
The kid could easily have never been the same after his glandular fever or could have found the step up too.dificult
I've seen thousands of youngsters who I thought would go to the very top they very seldom do and if Bournemouth got him it's because the top clubs weren't prepared to take that risk ,even though they have greater financial muscle and huge scouting networks
Even Eddie Howe has said so
You don't believe that because you don't want to
 
Sean Thornton said:
Speed wasn’t manager during a transfer window surely? How could we back him?

Blackwell is/was a ****. Just in case anyone forgets.
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He was appointed on 17th August and the window extended beyond the start of the season in those days. I think it was still open. But it’s a minor and trivial point that doesn’t detract from the main thrust of my post.
 
Fanny magnet said:
You're working on the assumption that every player fulfils his potential ,they don't
The kid could easily have never been the same after his glandular fever or could have found the step up too.dificult
I've seen thousands of youngsters who I thought would go to the very top they very seldom do and if Bournemouth got him it's because the top clubs weren't prepared to take that risk ,even though they have greater financial muscle and huge scouting networks
Even Eddie Howe has said so
You don't believe that because you don't want to
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Well they got it wrong didn't they. And I don't think you've seen thousands like Brooks.

As for not coming back from the glandular, did you not see the Leicester cup game? That was only in February, a couple of months after the glandular started, one of his first games back. Yet he was tearing them apart in the second half, looking fantastic. In fact Knill said they knew he'd be leaving after that, because of all the scouts there watching him. And he was only going to get stronger and fitter. So there were no doubts whatsoever on that front.
 
Ricky said:
They must have been aware of him. It seems they weren't aware of, or misjudged how good he was/could be. We shouldn't have, but it appears we did.

It was an expensive mistake from their point of view.
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Agree totally. But t because those clubs didn’t follow up their initial interest, the point still stands that we didn’t undersell him, because the only market was Bournemouth.
Whether ir not we took their first offer is pure supposition unless someone puts their head above the parapet.

If HRH hadn’t tried to pull a fast one, the iriginal deal could have been done and then who knows if we could have persuaded him to stay a bit longer. McCabe offered his shares for sale remember. In good faith. Although he obviously could have sold him if he had taken over, the Prince forced the situation by his manoeuvring. But the desire to blame McCabe prevents some from seeing the bleeding obvious.
 
Ricky said:
Well they got it wrong didn't they. And I don't think you've seen thousands like Brooks.

As for not coming back from the glandular, did you not see the Leicester cup game? That was only in February, a couple of months after the glandular started, one of his first games back. Yet he was tearing them apart in the second half, looking fantastic. In fact Knill said they knew he'd be leaving after that, because of all the scouts there watching him. And he was only going to get stronger and fitter. So there were no doubts whatsoever on that front.
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Yep. Agree again, except that the scouts from whichever clubs said “NO”. Why this can’t be accepted is a mystery.
 
BushBlade said:
He was appointed on 17th August and the window extended beyond the start of the season in those days. I think it was still open. But it’s a minor and trivial point that doesn’t detract from the main thrust of my post.
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31st August. Silly cheap panic appointment.
 



Danny04 said:
So now a player’s only worth bringing through the academy if he’s worth £20m+?
Was Brooks a wonderkid? He came from Man City.
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He was hardly old enough to dress himself when he left Man City and was nowhere near a professional contract, that all came at SUFC.

How many academy products played Saturday?
 
Danny04 said:
The owners were also squabbling when bids for JOC and Fleck were rejected, because they were below valuation :)
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Fleck wanted to stay...so i've heard despite the bids. Brooks wanted to leave and his agent sorted a great deal for him. Wilder will not have players in the club who don't want to stay. A good deal at the time with good sell on clause for us that's helped us to get where we are in the table.

Anything else bothering anyone?
 
DB’s rise has been stratospheric and has caught a lot of people/teams unawares. He’s basically gone from a potential League Two loanee to a £40m player in 17 months, in which time he’s played less than 60 times. No matter how much we like to criticise the club, and no matter how many on here claim to have known of his genius, since the summer of ‘17, only two clubs have submitted any kind of offer for him; a loan bid from chesterfield and a transfer bid from Bournemouth. No matter what happens to him from now on, the unpalatable truth is that we sold him at the right price, on the right terms, at the right time.
 
silverfox said:
Fleck wanted to stay...so i've heard despite the bids. Brooks wanted to leave and his agent sorted a great deal for him. Wilder will not have players in the club who don't want to stay. A good deal at the time with good sell on clause for us that's helped us to get where we are in the table.

Anything else bothering anyone?
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That's probably the most important fact and one not inly that everyone seems to forget but that badically ends the thread













Till next time
 
Quite sad that if we could have 1988 all over again Brian Deane and Tony Agana would have got about 10 games each for us before being flogged for the massive sum of £250,000 for a third division player
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Fourteen of our team against Bolton came out of our academy.

Wow, how wrong can you be. I'd have said only Sharp, it must be worth every penny then.
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Far from me to 'intervene' but I fear you may be in the process of being 'done' (up like a kipper)
Hazard a guess the 14 will be played across the leagues ?!?!?
ALL of whom we flogged on the cheap & too early!
 
Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Far from me to 'intervene' but I fear you may be in the process of being 'done' (up like a kipper)
Hazard a guess the 14 will be played across the leagues ?!?!?
ALL of whom we flogged on the cheap & too early!
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I would suggest it's Danny04 saying that all the players came through an academy 'somewhere' but don't let that cloud your point, such as it is.
 
BushBlade said:
So was the post he was responding to. We didn’t get relegated because we sold Jags, Walker and Naughton, we got relegated because we sacked Blackwell at the wrong time, appointed Speed at the wrong time, didn’t back him and ended up with Adams. The Robson/Blackwell/Speed/Adams shitshow got us relegated. And there were plenty of opportunities to stop the slide, such as replacing Robson with a proper manager or sacking Blackwell at the end of the season instead of letting him fuck up the summer recruitment and then sacking him.
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The most significant thing that caused us to be relegated was the injury to Chris Morgan. He was irreplaceable and we were never the same team. Replaced with Collins for Gods sake! Managerial changes did not help but losing Morgs was the main reason for relegation.
 



There was a list of players recently, can't remember where I'd seen it

It showed the minutes that each clubs academy players had spent on the pitch in Premier League games

Sheffield United were fourth
 
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