David Brooks Windfall £,£££,£££

[GRUMPY BLADE]

What?

Point is we don't sign anyone elses wonder kids but every other club has ours.

 

[Sean Thornton]

What would have been the worst case scenario had the first summer bid been rejected?

You know for certain that was the first and only bid? Have the club confirmed that?

 

[stringer]

So because you asked someone else my answer is invalid? I'm confused.

Ricky made some good points, and I agree with him that if we had kept hold of Brooks it would have been highly likely that we would have received a better fee.
However, it's still a gamble: Brooks' form could have fallen off a cliff, he could have failed to recover from glandular fever or sustained some other nasty injury- a better fee in January was a likelihood as opposed to a certainty.

Hence holding out for more money would have been a gamble. It's easier to gamble with someone else's money.

When did I say it was invalid? I thought you left the straw-manning to other people. My stance then, as of now, was that he could have been sold for more money. You’re right, it’s a gamble but one that almost every other club in the country takes when they don’t cave at the first summer offer with two months left of the window. Like Southend with Leonard (it didn’t get them any more money in their case but they got a few months more of the player)

 

[stringer]

Point is we don't sign anyone elses wonder kids but every other club has ours.

United have a Rangers wonderkid in their team right now

 

[BushBlade]

After one PL season in a quarter of a century, isn't it time to try another strategy rather than sell talent at the first opportunity when we don't need to?

These links indicate that, despite what Wilder said, we needed to.

https://www.sufc.co.uk/siteassets/downloads/20181214_bll_accounts.pdf

https://shepwedd.com/sites/default/files/UTB v SUL - D_s SA for 20.6.18.pdf

We can argue about Brooks until we die and it’s not going to change anything. Until the court case is done, ownership is decided and whichever one of those unfit for purpose owners that wins sells the club to someone who understands the financial implications of owning a championship club, this will continue. We will sell our best players.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So nothing to do with having 4 managers and having to use 43 players because of injuries that season

Kept one manager for over three seasons and injuries are quite low so how many academy products are turning out every Saturday then?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think you've totally missed the point of my post. It was about the money being inaccessible to CW due to the boardroom wrangle.



What you've done instead is make the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard.

Steady on........

 

[Ricky]

Look, it’s much easier to have a go and criticise when it’s not your cash. It’s not mine either but unlike you I can see why we accepted the bid and sold him.

I agree that we could have got more down the line but that is difficult when you have a 7 figure offer on the table.

I understand that, and I'm not much of a high risk gambler myself. But I think this was as much of a low risk gamble as you could possibly have with a player. Indeed I put my money where my mouth is and bought plenty of him on Football Index!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Perhaps because it's true?




What absolute bollocks!

I've referred to that lot plenty of times, but almost entirely taking the piss. I happen to think that the Chansiri/Doyen model is a perfect example of how NOT to run a football club and is very funny.

Why do you just make stuff up to 'prove' your argument.



Would you like to expand on my 'unhealthy obsession'?

Si, be careful. He may know something. You know what receptionists are like......

 

[Sean Thornton]

I asked what the worst case scenario was to someone else who said he works in that field. It was an attempt at context. Ricky and I rarely see eye to eye but he nails it above in post 213.

It’s a good post by him but fails to take in the reality of the ownership battle and ongoing losses. The reality, irrespective of how the owners have acted.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Don't ask me. I was saying the likes of Liverpool and Spurs should've been all over him in the summer.

I think it was a case of the top clubs not knowing our asset as well as we should have done as a club. Maybe a bit surprising but that seemed to be the case. It's only taken them a few months to wise up and start considering bidding £40m.

He changed agent Ricky. I’m sure they all knew about him. It’s just well, you know the rest.

 

[Sean Thornton]

On the sherry already?

Better. Anaesthetic eye drops after a few tests before the first cataract operation next week. I imagine it’s how Snooty and Co see the world (without the anger),

 

[Sean Thornton]

And the point has been made many times that the more money you spend on wages, the better you are likely to do.

As for foreign owners, if you think they will automatically fail, you should check out who owns the various PL clubs.

The point that only one club bid has been made many times but is ignored in a flurry of supposition to try, unsuccessfully however anyone wants to argue it, to somehow disprove it. We know have the suggestion that PL clubs seemingly weren’t aware, despite his new high profile agent.

Should we have held out for more? Probably, hard to argue against now. Did anyone bid anymore?

 

[Sean Thornton]

If his ability is so blatant why didnt real madrid or barca come in at the knock down price of 11 million ?

McCabe took the offer inside two minutes of receiving it, giving those two, and every other big club, no chance to chuck £20m on the table.
Brooks must be disgusted with his new agent who clearly acted like McCabe, smelled the money and got young David to sign there and then.

 

[Bert]

I spend more time on this forum talking the club up than you ever have done.

As usual you are totally detached from reality.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As usual you are totally detached from reality.

There you go Bert, talking the club down again......

 

[Bert]

There you go Bert, talking the club down again......

Snooty will be claiming that sitwell hates the club next and that Silent knows nowt

 

[Sean Thornton]

Snooty will be claiming that sitwell hates the club next and that Silent knows nowt

He’ll be going through his property empire by now.

I wonder if it’s just the little green ones or is there the odd bigger red one involved?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Time to depart the thread now that Sean Thornton, aka the googleman, has decided to participate and dominate it just like he does every thread on every topic imaginable.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Time to depart the thread now that Sean Thornton, aka the googleman, has decided to participate and dominate it just like he does every thread on every topic imaginable.

Wasn’t I participating before you brought your foul mouthed anger to the debate?

As has been attested too already, you and factual accuracy are strangers.

Bye.,

 

[Chali 2na]

After one PL season in a quarter of a century, isn't it time to try another strategy rather than sell talent at the first opportunity when we don't need to?

Remind me where I endorsed the strategy?

My stance then, as of now, was that he could have been sold for more money. You’re right, it’s a gamble but one that almost every other club in the country takes when they don’t cave at the first summer offer with two months left of the window. Like Southend with Leonard (it didn’t get them any more money in their case but they got a few months more of the player)

It's ok saying "almost every club would...." but other clubs aren't suffering through an ownership battle.
If the owners weren't squabbling, then maybe we could have held out for money - they aren't though, so we obviously couldn't.

 

[Tom Bott]

Why is this the usual fall-back position for excusing McCabe

Maybe because he is a better bet than the club being run by committee from forum members on here.

The Brooks debate on here could run for years, yet those with these decisions to make have to make them in a matter of days or loose the window of opportunity. They also do not have the advantage of the foresight we have.

If Brooks had been a flop or mediocre sub. in the PL would this 'debate' even be taking place ?

 

[Bill Johnson]

It's lose not loose.
All credibility gone. Cheaply. Like Brooks.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

United have a Rangers wonderkid in their team right now

He's a wonderkid if we can get £20M + for him when a window is open.


Thought not.

 

[Davalon]

having to use 43 players because of injuries that season

#revisionism

 

[Tom Bott]

Eddie Howe and Bournemouth had a far better idea of his true value than we did. And now they're laughing.

Though not as much as we are at the former 'owners' of the rest of the team and especially Man City for giving us Brooksy.

 

[BushBlade]

#revisionism

So was the post he was responding to. We didn’t get relegated because we sold Jags, Walker and Naughton, we got relegated because we sacked Blackwell at the wrong time, appointed Speed at the wrong time, didn’t back him and ended up with Adams. The Robson/Blackwell/Speed/Adams shitshow got us relegated. And there were plenty of opportunities to stop the slide, such as replacing Robson with a proper manager or sacking Blackwell at the end of the season instead of letting him fuck up the summer recruitment and then sacking him.

 

[Bill Johnson]

Though not as much as we are at the former 'owners' of the rest of the team and especially Man City for giving us Brooksy.

How the hell do you work that one out?
£12 million or £22million is fuck all to Man City.
It's game changing to us.
Oh wait a minute....

 

[Davalon]

So was the post he was responding to. We didn’t get relegated because we sold Jags, Walker and Naughton, we got relegated because we sacked Blackwell at the wrong time, appointed Speed at the wrong time, didn’t back him and ended up with Adams. The Robson/Blackwell/Speed/Adams shitshow got us relegated. And there were plenty of opportunities to stop the slide, such as replacing Robson with a proper manager or sacking Blackwell at the end of the season instead of letting him fuck up the summer recruitment and then sacking him.

100% agree.

 

[carthesis]

So was the post he was responding to. We didn’t get relegated because we sold Jags, Walker and Naughton, we got relegated because we sacked Blackwell at the wrong time, appointed Speed at the wrong time, didn’t back him and ended up with Adams. The Robson/Blackwell/Speed/Adams shitshow got us relegated. And there were plenty of opportunities to stop the slide, such as replacing Robson with a proper manager or sacking Blackwell at the end of the season instead of letting him fuck up the summer recruitment and then sacking him.

To be totally fair, the career-ending injury to Morgs didn't help either.

I maintain that had Morgs been fit we wouldn't have gone down. It might not have been pretty, and it would have still been turgid to watch, but we wouldn't have shipped as many goals as we did which would probably have been enough to save us given how close it was in the end.