David Brooks Windfall £,£££,£££

[Houston_Blade]

Well according to the manager it wasn’t spent on Egan or Norwood (who was paid for by Evans and Leonard). So selling Brooks and signing Egan weren’t mutually exclusive

I know, it was a supposition that if we hadn’t secured our finances for another year we wouldn’t have signed Egan and Norwood. It’s getting hard work now. I’d be extremely surprised if Wilder ever says “I’m just off out to spend the Brooks transfer revenue now”, particularly as it’s been used as security against a loan repayment.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The ‘Brooks money’ for about the 50th time isn’t just sat in a mystical vault in the Halifax on Fargate waiting to be spent. It’s gone.

The enabler for signings like Egan and Norwood was the fact that we had the running cost shortfall for the season underpinned by the Brooks sale. It’s supposition on my part but if we didn’t have the additional £11m guaranteed from Brooks I don’t think we’d have committed £6m for Egan and Norwood.

It’s really not that difficult a concept to grasp.

But it is difficult for some to grasp.

I've given up with money in/money out on here - it's like flogging a dead horse.

Go and have a cuppa My dad always said a cuppa always helps.

UTB

 

[Ricky]

We could have undoubtedly got a bigger fee for him in January or beyond, which would have more than paid off anything the owners had to put in in the meantime. But they didn't have the bottle to do that, or the nous to fully appreciate their own asset. He was ours, right under our nose, yet Eddie Howe and Bournemouth had a far better idea of his true value than we did. And now they're laughing.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I know, it was a supposition that if we hadn’t secured our finances for another year we wouldn’t have signed Egan and Norwood. It’s getting hard work now. I’d be extremely surprised if Wilder ever says “I’m just off out to spend the Brooks transfer revenue now”, particularly as it’s been used as security against a loan repayment.

It is getting harder - you only have to look round at other Championship teams and see what "a few years" in this division has caused.

UTB

 

[snootyfenooty]

It is getting harder - you only have to look round at other Championship teams and see what "a few years" in this division has caused.

UTB

There's no need to look around the rest of the Championship if you want to see a striking example of disaster. I could name you one very close to home who actually spent 6 years in L1.

 

[Houston_Blade]

We could have undoubtedly got a bigger fee for him in January or beyond, which would have more than paid off anything the owners had to put in in the meantime. But they didn't have the bottle to do that, or the nous to fully appreciate their own asset. He was ours, right under our nose, yet Eddie Howe and Bournemouth had a far better idea of his true value than we did. And now they're laughing.

Hypothetical situation. I’ll give you a guaranteed £100k now and that will pay off your mortgage, or I’ll give you an amount in 6 months time. There’s a 50% chance it will be £120k and a 50% chance it will be £80k. What would you do?

 

[Ricky]

Hypothetical situation. I’ll give you a guaranteed £100k now and that will pay off your mortgage, or I’ll give you an amount in 6 months time. There’s a 50% chance it will be £120k and a 50% chance it will be £80k. What would you do?

I'll make that more realistic.

There's an 80% chance it'll be 200k and a 20% chance it'll still be 100k.

I'll wait 6 months thanks.

 

[I should coco]

Why is this the usual fall-back position for excusing McCabe?

Perhaps because it's true?

The pigs are not the blueprint for running a football club you know, although the unhealthy obsession you have with them would make you think otherwise.

What absolute bollocks!

I've referred to that lot plenty of times, but almost entirely taking the piss. I happen to think that the Chansiri/Doyen model is a perfect example of how NOT to run a football club and is very funny.

Why do you just make stuff up to 'prove' your argument. Would you like to expand on my 'unhealthy obsession'?

 

[Chali 2na]

If you’re selling an asset to pay the bills, surely that’s even more reason to maximise what it’s sold for isn’t it?

Not in your scenario: We're talking about a hypothetical situation; you were asking about the worst case scenario by not selling him - I replied with "no follow up bid" - you can't maximise your sale if no subsequent bids are received.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Perhaps because it's true?




What absolute bollocks!

I've referred to that lot plenty of times, but almost entirely taking the piss. I happen to think that the Chansiri/Doyen model is a perfect example of how NOT to run a football club and is very funny.

Why do you just make stuff up to 'prove' your argument. Would you like to expand on my 'unhealthy obsession'?

You've just proved my argument correct. You've just said "I happen to think that the Chansiri/Doyen model is a perfect example of how NOT to run a football club and is very funny" but at the same time said that getting another Chansiri would be our only hope of getting a chairman to spend some money. Make your mind up, sounds obsessive to me as there's another 90 chairmen in the league you could have used for your analogy other than him.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'll make that more realistic.

There's an 80% chance it'll be 200k and a 20% chance it'll still be 100k.

I'll wait 6 months thanks.

If Brooks had played for us for half this season he’d have been worth £22m? If he’d been on the bench for half the season he’d still be worth the original £11m?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Not in your scenario: We're talking about a hypothetical situation; you were asking about the worst case scenario by not selling him - I replied with "no follow up bid" - you can't maximise your sale if no subsequent bids are received.

You can if you leave him in the shop window for longer than we did. This has been done to death but the ones in your camp are convinced no one else would have come in for him. Never and ever.

 

[I should coco]

You've just proved my argument correct.

Enjoy your lap of honour!

 

[stringer]

Not in your scenario: We're talking about a hypothetical situation; you were asking about the worst case scenario by not selling him - I replied with "no follow up bid" - you can't maximise your sale if no subsequent bids are received.

I asked what the worst case scenario was to someone else who said he works in that field. It was an attempt at context. Ricky and I rarely see eye to eye but he nails it above in post 213.

 

[Revolution]

A mortgage is a laibility, it is NOT an asset.

The house which is secured by the mortgage is an asset.

 

[Chali 2na]

You can if you leave him in the shop window for longer than we did. This has been done to death but the ones in your camp are convinced no one else would have come in for him. Never and ever.

What are you talking about? What makes you think I'm in a camp?

 

[Fanny magnet]

The ‘Brooks money’ for about the 50th time isn’t just sat in a mystical vault in the Halifax on Fargate waiting to be spent. It’s gone.

The enabler for signings like Egan and Norwood was the fact that we had the running cost shortfall for the season underpinned by the Brooks sale. It’s supposition on my part but if we didn’t have the additional £11m guaranteed from Brooks I don’t think we’d have committed £6m for Egan and Norwood.

It’s really not that difficult a concept to grasp.

Exactly

 

[Revolution]

...and presumably get a Chansiri#2 who is prepared to spend some muneh?

The point has been made many times that spunking money give no guarantees. It's easy on the internet spending other people's money, much harder to ensure it is done effectively.

And the point has been made many times that the more money you spend on wages, the better you are likely to do.

As for foreign owners, if you think they will automatically fail, you should check out who owns the various PL clubs.

 

[Ricky]

If Brooks had played for us for half this season he’d have been worth £22m? If he’d been on the bench for half the season he’d still be worth the original £11m?

His ability is absolutely blatant. So if he simply proved his fitness following the glandular fever (which Bournemouth used to get him cheaper) his value would have at least held.

Had he played enough, it is likely that he would have entered the £20m+ bracket, due to.... fitness proving, physical development, demonstrating talent over a longer period, impact on games and as a bonus, possibly being our key player.

The only risk was a bad injury. Which you can't really account for, and can happen to any player. But for what it's worth, Brooks had no record of injury and was surprisingly robust for his size.

 

[Chali 2na]

I asked what the worst case scenario was to someone else who said he works in that field. It was an attempt at context. Ricky and I rarely see eye to eye but he nails it above in post 213.

So because you asked someone else my answer is invalid? I'm confused.

Ricky made some good points, and I agree with him that if we had kept hold of Brooks it would have been highly likely that we would have received a better fee.
However, it's still a gamble: Brooks' form could have fallen off a cliff, he could have failed to recover from glandular fever or sustained some other nasty injury- a better fee in January was a likelihood as opposed to a certainty.

Hence holding out for more money would have been a gamble. It's easier to gamble with someone else's money.

 

[Revolution]

I would have preferred we kept him until Jan.

It's still difficult to escape however where he would have played.

Duffy really has made the role his own. We don't play with wingers and very few could have expected anyone to have partnered Billy more effectively than McGoldrick.

As well as he's done, we don't miss Calvert-Lewin either. Our strategy in goal hasn't really seen us miss Ramsdale.

Adams has gone on well. He didn't have the maturity Leon provided which got us up.

Even now McGoldrick is a better partner for Billy.

All in all, we've made some very good decisions.

Ifwe had Brooks still then maybe Egan hadn't joined and maybe the depth we have wouldn't be there now.

We're 3rd, with a shout of top two. You can't make an omelette without breaking the occasional egg.

I was unhappy with the sale of Adams and disappointed by Ramsdale's sale (I was indifferent re DCL although I felt we should have held out for more), but despite Adams doing well since these were excellent moves in hindsight because of what Wilder did with the money. We got promoted so it was worth it.

Declaring you don't need to sell a player and that you haven't touched the money is less impressive.

Mind you, whatever Wilder's intentions were the owners have factored the unpaid bit of the fee to fund wages and running costs so it has been used now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If you’re selling an asset to pay the bills, surely that’s even more reason to maximise what it’s sold for isn’t it?

Then you need more than one person interested to n buying it.

 

[Revolution]

So because you asked someone else my answer is invalid? I'm confused.

Ricky made some good points, and I agree with him that if we had kept hold of Brooks it would have been highly likely that we would have received a better fee.
However, it's still a gamble: Brooks' form could have fallen off a cliff, he could have failed to recover from glandular fever or sustained some other nasty injury- a better fee in January was a likelihood as opposed to a certainty.

Hence holding out for more money would have been a gamble. It's easier to gamble with someone else's money.

After one PL season in a quarter of a century, isn't it time to try another strategy rather than sell talent at the first opportunity when we don't need to?

 

[I should coco]

interested to n buying it.

On the sherry already?

 

[Fanny magnet]

His ability is absolutely blatant. So if he simply proved his fitness following the glandular fever (which Bournemouth used to get him cheaper) his value would have at least held.

Had he played enough, it is likely that he would have entered the £20m+ bracket, due to.... fitness proving, physical development, demonstrating talent over a longer period, impact on games and as a bonus, possibly being our key player.

The only risk was a bad injury. Which you can't really account for, and can happen to any player. But for what it's worth, Brooks had no record of injury and was surprisingly robust for his size.

If his ability is so blatant why didnt real madrid or barca come in at the knock down price of 11 million ?

 

[Brian Deane]

What are you talking about? What makes you think I'm camp?

Fixed it for you

 

[Ricky]

If his a ility is so blatant why didnt real madrid or barca come in at the knock down price of 11 million

Don't ask me. I was saying the likes of Liverpool and Spurs should've been all over him in the summer.

I think it was a case of the top clubs not knowing our asset as well as we should have done as a club. Maybe a bit surprising but that seemed to be the case. It's only taken them a few months to wise up and start considering bidding £40m.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm talking about the present.

Present - still got kids running around a field and nowt in the first team.

 

[Houston_Blade]

His ability is absolutely blatant. So if he simply proved his fitness following the glandular fever (which Bournemouth used to get him cheaper) his value would have at least held.

Had he played enough, it is likely that he would have entered the £20m+ bracket, due to.... fitness proving, physical development, demonstrating talent over a longer period, impact on games and as a bonus, possibly being our key player.

The only risk was a bad injury. Which you can't really account for, and can happen to any player. But for what it's worth, Brooks had no record of injury and was surprisingly robust for his size.

Look, it’s much easier to have a go and criticise when it’s not your cash. It’s not mine either but unlike you I can see why we accepted the bid and sold him.

I agree that we could have got more down the line but that is difficult when you have a 7 figure offer on the table.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Letting yourself down again Danny04 by using 'Star Maths'.

The deal was completed on 5/7/18
https://www.skysports.com/football/...mouth-sign-david-brooks-from-sheffield-united

The Premier League transfer window closed on 9/8/18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44939041

I'd call that one month in the non-Star real world.

And Even though the deal was mooted for a few days, no one tried to hijack it with a bigger bid. DB’s agent obviously never touted his client around. Probably some devilish plan with McCabe so the club got less money....,