CONFIRMED David Brooks to Bournemouth

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That's him gone then. First offer, deal done, fuck the consequences.

Love how people assume CW will be betrothed the whole fee as well. I mean, we pushed the proceeds from Kyle and Harry straight back into the playing staff, did we not?

Nope.

Thing is for Brooks, he's a tall poppy in a pretty unspectacular field of corn. He needs intelligent players to play with to exploit his talent and unless we get those players, his form will drop and we'll be complaining like fuck about how shit he's become, until he does get flogged under ticket price and plays with said talent and becomes brilliant again.

Its up to the board now which way they want to build this club and the players we have. And its still worryingly quiet regarding ownership and direction and budget, innit?

pommpey
 
blademark said:
Feel free ! But don't focus on the names, explore the principle and the possibilities.
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I think selling footballers is like selling stocks and shares. You have to try and guess when their value will be highest and sell at that point, not before or after. With stocks and shares it’s not easy, unless you have inside info (and that’s illegal - but it does happen), with footballers it’s even harder! I mean, look at Jamie Vardy for example. It’s not so long ago another Sheffield team had him on their books and went “nah! not good enough!” He wasn’t theirs to sell admittedly, but he went on to bloom in the autumn of his career and his value increased beyond anyone’s comprehension.

For every Jamie Vardy there’s many more young uns who have looked the next big thing then fizzled out and lost value.

With Brooks I think we just don’t know. From what I’ve seen he’s an exceptional young talent but will he actually go on to great things and become one of the best players in the country? He looks lightweight and ineffective sometimes, other times he looks like the best player I’ve seen since the young TC.

I wouldn’t sell now and I tell you why:

First of all, he’s cost us next to nowt. It’s not like a James Beattie situation wher we paid a lot and were worried his value could drop rapidly as he was getting on a bit, if we didn’t get promoted.

If Brooks hits top form this coming season he could be a massive player for us and could be the difference between hitting the top 6 or not. And that’s worth millions if we were to get promoted. If he doesn’t cut it we’ve not lost owt. We’d still make a tidy profit on him if we wanted to sell later.

Let’s see what he can do this season, illness behind him. My guess is his value will increase far beyond £12m if he starts the season well.

I don’t think he’s near his peak value to us yet. That’s why I’d stick for now.
 
blademark said:
If, say, we lost Brooks, and gained Egan, Norwood, and Nahki Wells, would the team be weaker, or stronger?
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I’ve no idea. They could all flop for all you know. I stand by my statement that 95% of the time after selling their best player a team is weaker.
 
I don't think he should be sold. Come to think of it again, I really don't know.

What I do know is that having to consider whether a not-yet 21 year old with, what, 3 goals to his name is worth a lot more than £12,000,000 means that English football is well and truly fucked.

And some people think football is a business.
 
2 years ago Brookes,would have been worth about £5m at this stage of his career.
however since pogba/neymar fees have moved the bar, in todays market i would be going for £20m with add ons.
is he tied in to a long term deal - yes
would he be an asset us next seaaon - yes
do we need to sell - no
so we are in a seller market, tell them to fuck off, and him to hold his nerve, play a blinder for a season them he can have spurs, arse etc on double wages Bournemouth will pay and we will book his taxi and wish him well.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
If Brooks hits top form this coming season he could be a massive player for us and could be the difference between hitting the top 6 or not. And that’s worth millions if we were to get promoted. If he doesn’t cut it we’ve not lost owt. We’d still make a tidy profit on him if we wanted to sell later.

Let’s see what he can do this season, illness behind him. My guess is his value will increase far beyond £12m if he starts the season well.

I don’t think he’s near his peak value to us yet. That’s why I’d stick for now.
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Spot on Cerberus.

Why risk selling him, giving Wilder a small percent of the sale and then on top of that, expect Wilder to pull a rabbit out of the hat again. We would be making work for ourselves.

STICK all day long on this one.

Unfortunately I think some of our fans would rather brag about getting £12 million for him now and tweet him congratulations when he wins something at another club in a few years time.
 
CW sees DB in training everyday. He will have an idea more than anyone how he may or may not progress.

Just one to watch out for.
 
You never accept the first offer.
And thankfully Bournemouth his hardly the draw (other than money) that blows where he is out of the water. I suspect he’s a bit more savvy than that, and moving down there and probably not playing isn’t ideal.

What this offer (if genuine) may do is see one or two other more tempting clubs join the bidding.
And by that I mean a club that probably no chance of going down to the champ.
 
Reasons not to sell Brooks for 12 million.
Our Squad: Sharp, Clarke and Duffy are ageing and Brooks will be competing for one of their positions. It makes no sense from a medium and long term point of view. The goal should be to get the average age of the squad down, and the monetary value up.We have no player of his type in the squad or even the development teams,so we we would have to outsource a replacement with only 12 million to play with. Clubs in the championship with a player of this ilk will want far in excess of this for their creative players.Those who disagree really haven't been paying attention to the current value of young, creative players. Norwich are looking for twenty million plus for a central midfielder, whilst raising 11 million for the utterly uninspiring Murphy.We'd have sold Murphy, pre Wilder, for 2-3 million.

What will 12 million buy you:
Twelve million will probably cover the fee and wages of two "proven" high end Championship players who play outside of the forward positions.You could spunk it all on one proven striker, or a couple of ageing strikers with little resale value or time left in the game. Is this really that tempting? Is this really how to build a squad in the longer term?
More likely, I feel, is that Wilder would either bring in several high end loan signings, or gamble on two or free lower league players e.g. Maddison and Marriott at Peterborough, as the overall package would more likely to fit into our budget.The lower league players are gambles, and it is always worrying when the foundations are built on the sand of loan signings.

Buy low, sell high.
Is twelve million the most David Brooks is going to be worth in the Championship? Is it more than he's ever going to be worth?
United are in a powerful position due to the diligent work of the board and manager. We have Brooks on a favourable long term deal.This is no Harry Maguire saga.In that case, we have to sell when he has reached the high point in his valuation.I think we'd be selling at the lowest point at this juncture.

Do we need the money?
Wilder has stated that he is happy with his budget, although it's not a high end championship budget.Any fee would have to be double or treble the current offer to make us competitive with those clubs in terms of wages and fees.We are well inside the financial regulations.
 

This coming season is huge for all concerned.
£12million sounds tempting right now but we shouldn’t cave in. It wouldn’t go far enough.
A fit again Brooks performing well in the first half of the season will see bigger offers coming in at Crimbo.
If we’re Top 6, the lure of possible Prem footy with the Blades could keep him here.
If not, that may be the time to cash & bring in several real quality players. As good as he is, he can’t do it all by himself.
We have no need to sell right now for all the reasons others have quoted. Everyone has their price though - and £12million isn’t Brooks’s.
 
Nobody mentioning that brooks might want the move, premier league, huge wage increase, nicer weather ;)

We have a history of selling at the drop of a hat for much less than the reported amount here, our ex centre half whose playing for England tonight was shoved into a car and sent to hull city for peanuts, Kyle Walker, who’ll line up beside him was given away free when spurs bought Kyle Naughton, Our chairman is a mug and we are the cheapest deal in town when a couple of quid hits the table.

anybody thinking we won’t sell for 12 million regardless of weather we could get more later on needs to open thier eyes, if this is a firm bid he’ll be in a bournmouth shirt come the start of the season, no doubt whatsoever.

I think the best we can hope for is a bidding war to push the price up, none of which will benefit Chris or the first team, because the money will vanish as it always has done.

To resist these offers, or in fact any offer that’s made, we need new owners, these guys have neither the money or knowledge to take the club forward..
 
Tezza1889 said:
anybody thinking we won’t sell for 12 million regardless of weather we could get more later on needs to open thier eyes, if this is a firm bid he’ll be in a bournmouth shirt come the start of the season, no doubt whatsoever.
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You think he’ll get a Bournemouth shirt Tezza? I think he’ll be about 5th or 6th choice but I know that wasn’t your point mate. :)
 
Is only say yes if we went out and spent £25m on new recruits and needed to balance the books. At this moment in time I’d be pissed off if our first move was to sell our biggest asset
 
The price of giving Naughton and Walker away was a place waiting for us in Div 3 - and I said so at the time. It wasn't the 1st time SUFC had done that, but you live in hope that (eventually) those in charge at the club learn from history. The Bournemouth offer is a joke, and the club needs to see it as such and laugh it off. Here's hoping..............
 
nopigfansintown said:
Reasons not to sell Brooks for 12 million.
Our Squad: Sharp, Clarke and Duffy are ageing and Brooks will be competing for one of their positions. It makes no sense from a medium and long term point of view. The goal should be to get the average age of the squad down, and the monetary value up.We have no player of his type in the squad or even the development teams,so we we would have to outsource a replacement with only 12 million to play with. Clubs in the championship with a player of this ilk will want far in excess of this for their creative players.Those who disagree really haven't been paying attention to the current value of young, creative players. Norwich are looking for twenty million plus for a central midfielder, whilst raising 11 million for the utterly uninspiring Murphy.We'd have sold Murphy, pre Wilder, for 2-3 million.

What will 12 million buy you:
Twelve million will probably cover the fee and wages of two "proven" high end Championship players who play outside of the forward positions.You could spunk it all on one proven striker, or a couple of ageing strikers with little resale value or time left in the game. Is this really that tempting? Is this really how to build a squad in the longer term?
More likely, I feel, is that Wilder would either bring in several high end loan signings, or gamble on two or free lower league players e.g. Maddison and Marriott at Peterborough, as the overall package would more likely to fit into our budget.The lower league players are gambles, and it is always worrying when the foundations are built on the sand of loan signings.

Buy low, sell high.
Is twelve million the most David Brooks is going to be worth in the Championship? Is it more than he's ever going to be worth?
United are in a powerful position due to the diligent work of the board and manager. We have Brooks on a favourable long term deal.This is no Harry Maguire saga.In that case, we have to sell when he has reached the high point in his valuation.I think we'd be selling at the lowest point at this juncture.

Do we need the money?
Wilder has stated that he is happy with his budget, although it's not a high end championship budget.Any fee would have to be double or treble the current offer to make us competitive with those clubs in terms of wages and fees.We are well inside the financial regulations.
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If you believe the ITK R
 
Addison said:
If you believe the ITK R
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If you believe the ITK Rods Ready CW is struggling to attract players at the top end of the championship and loan players from the premiership because he doesn't want to break the wage ceiling and p*ss off other players. The only carrot we are dangling are big signing on fees and bonuses at the end of the season. Todays modern players are more interested in the amount they get each week so the jam tomorrow approach is hardly likely to have quality players demanding moves to SUFC.

If all the above is true why would we even countenance selling Brooks whilst there is still an ownership dispute going on as we would clearly be in a worse position on the field.
 
Addison said:
If you believe the ITK Rods Ready CW is struggling to attract players at the top end of the championship and loan players from the premiership because he doesn't want to break the wage ceiling and p*ss off other players.
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Sooner than later United will have to ditch this approach. I reckon it's just an excuse for United to pay the players on the cheap. If we're going to get someone who's a step up from what we normally sign then we've got to be prepared to pay them. If CW's got a kitty of say £10m to play with then he's going to be able to sign 6 x Lundstram types for £1.5m at £6k pw or 2 x Madison types for £5m at £15-20k pw. It's the way it is unfortunately.

And whilst we're on the subject, if we wish to hang on to Brooks then he will need paying too. He's not going to stay getting paid a kid's wage so if the club are serious about keeping him then they'd better be prepared to give him a new contract at £20-30k pw. If we don't there's a queue of clubs who will.
 

This time last year we were debating whether to let him go to Chesterfield - Reed went there instead . So far he's not a finished article -£15m maybe is worth the risk
 
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