Player Suggestion Daniel Arzani

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Already "wanted" by AFC Ajax, so impossible. Also, the transfer policy still is Great-Britain only right?
 
Dutch Blades said:
Already "wanted" by AFC Ajax, so impossible. Also, the transfer policy still is Great-Britain only right?
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I don't think the policy is British only. More like... ' will they go for a pint and curry after the game with the lads - only'
 
To avoid any more of these daft threads being started, I think it's safe to safe that any players that perform particularly well during the world cup will have higher placed and wealthier suitors than Utd. That said, that Portuguese number 7 looks sharp - I wonder if he'd up for for accepting Utd's £8/week offer...
 
Guesty said:
We're no Ajax obviously but the Championship is a better standard than the Eredivisie.
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I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too, dutch football aint what it used to be.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too, dutch football aint what it used to be.
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Ajax are supposedly signing Tadic of Southampton for 17 million Euro's. I don't think we could afford 17 million mojo's, never mind Euro's. Dutch football aint what it used to be, but Sheffield football hasn't changed that much.
 
Arzani plays for Melbourne City, owned by the group that owns Man City... if he has a stormer, he’ll sign for them and be loaned out.

See James Harrison, ex-New York City FC.
 

Liaminho9 said:
Granted, they have been in the qualification stages a couple of years, but that is still the Champions League.
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I know, but Chali 2na 's point was they're in a much better position financially cos of their champions league participation. But you get fekall for the qualifying rounds.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too, dutch football aint what it used to be.
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If the number 1 of the Eredivisie plays against the nr 1 from the Championship nr 2 eredivisie vs nr 2 Championship and so on, I think it would end something like 10-8 in favor of the Championship. And most of the Championship can pay more then almost every eredivisie club, you're right about that. But Ajax is a special case.

Do you really think Sheffield United can compete with a club who reached the final of the Europa League in 2016-2017? The club with more than 100 million in just liquid assets? The club that gets 50+ million every year out of player sales?

Budget is all relative, Ajax has the number 1 budget in the Netherlands, while Sheffield United has at least 25 clubs in front of them, if not more.
 
Dutch Blades said:
If the number 1 of the Eredivisie plays against the nr 1 from the Championship nr 2 eredivisie vs nr 2 Championship and so on, I think it would end something like 10-8 in favor of the Championship. And most of the Championship can pay more then almost every eredivisie club, you're right about that. But Ajax is a special case.

Do you really think Sheffield United can compete with a club who reached the final of the Europa League in 2016-2017? The club with more than 100 million in just liquid assets? The club that gets 50+ million every year out of player sales?

Budget is all relative, Ajax has the number 1 budget in the Netherlands, while Sheffield United has at least 25 clubs in front of them, if not more.
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Maybe that's the case, but I would put money on most of their playing squad being on less than 20k p/w
 
Mouth of the South said:
To avoid any more of these daft threads being started, I think it's safe to safe that any players that perform particularly well during the world cup will have higher placed and wealthier suitors than Utd. That said, that Portuguese number 7 looks sharp - I wonder if he'd up for for accepting Utd's £8/week offer...
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Except for willy cabballero
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
I know, but Chali 2na 's point was they're in a much better position financially cos of their champions league participation. But you get fekall for the qualifying rounds.
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I wasnt basing their superior finances purely on the champions league, and despite them not making the group stages: their CL revenue is better than ours.

Just to compare our finances, in 2017, our turnover was £11.7m, in that same period, Ajax's was €118.2

My point being, that your original assertion that we can offer the same money as Ajax is puzzling.
 
Chali 2na said:
I wasnt basing their superior finances purely on the champions league, and despite them not making the group stages: their CL revenue is better than ours.

Just to compare our finances, in 2017, our turnover was £11.7m, in that same period, Ajax's was €118.2

My point being, that your original assertion that we can offer the same money as Ajax is puzzling.
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I'd like to know their current wage bill.

I'd wage a charity bet that the majority of their squad is on less than 20k pw (using this figure as it's probably our max).

A similar story would be the likes of Arsenal, who's turnover is far superior to that of many other clubs, so they can afford the wages, however they clearly have a structure that they don't wish to break.

Ajax's model I believe is pretty similar, they use their superb youth academy before bringing players in and they aren't shopping in any markets where players cost a decent whack.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
I'd like to know their current wage bill.

I'd wage a charity bet that the majority of their squad is on less than 20k pw (using this figure as it's probably our max).

A similar story would be the likes of Arsenal, who's turnover is far superior to that of many other clubs, so they can afford the wages, however they clearly have a structure that they don't wish to break.

Ajax's model I believe is pretty similar, they use their superb youth academy before bringing players in and they aren't shopping in any markets where players cost a decent whack.
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There is no way (that i know of) of knowing what their individual players earn, so any bet would be pointless.

In terms of total wage bill though, the latest financial records for both clubs indicates that we paid £9.5m, whereas Ajax paid €35.1 - so I'd guess you're quite far off.
 
Chali 2na said:
There is no way (that i know of) of knowing what their individual players earn, so any bet would be pointless.

In terms of total wage bill though, the latest financial records for both clubs indicates that we paid £9.5m, whereas Ajax paid €35.1 - so I'd guess you're quite far off.
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Quite far off what? Don't think that proves anything with regards to what they pay their players. They'll have far more employees than us for 1.

In fact just a quick look suggest their most prized asset, Kluivert has been offered 25k p/w new deal.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
Quite far off what? Don't think that proves anything with regards to what they pay their players. They'll have far more employees than us for 1.
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Far off in your continued assertion that we are somehow financially comparative to Ajax.

Considering that the majority of the total annual wage bill will be paid to the players, as proportionally, footballers earn way more money than general background employees, then to me a difference of £21.3 a year would clearly indicate they pay there players significantly more than we pay ours.
 
Chali 2na said:
Far off in your continued assertion that we are somehow financially comparative to Ajax.

Considering that the majority of the total annual wage bill will be paid to the players, as proportionally, footballers earn way more money than general background employees, then to me a difference of £21.3 a year would clearly indicate they pay there players significantly more than we pay ours.
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My assertion is based on what I believe our max budget would be for a marquee player, compared to what they pay their players. Them offering their top asset 25k p/w suggests I'm not far off the mark in that assertion.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
My assertion is based on what I believe our max budget would be for a marquee player, compared to what they pay their players. Them offering their top asset 25k p/w suggests I'm not far off the mark in that assertion.
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Thats funny; your original opinion was "I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too," there was no mention of marquee players or top assets until I pointed out the £21.3m difference in wage bills.

Also, while we're on the subject, top asset doesn't necessarily mean top earner, so your point that they only offered Kluivert £25k doesn't prove anything. (That's before considering that its likely still more money than our top earner is)
 
Chali 2na said:
Thats funny; your original opinion was "I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too," there was no mention of marquee players or top assets until I pointed out the £21.3m difference in wage bills.

Also, while we're on the subject, top asset doesn't necessarily mean top earner, so your point that they only offered Kluivert £25k doesn't prove anything. (That's before considering that its likely still more money than our top earner is)
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Not sure why you're getting all patronising but....

That's funny:

Scooter_mcgavin said:
I'd like to know their current wage bill.
I'd wage a charity bet that the majority of their squad is on less than 20k pw (using this figure as it's probably our max).
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Before your wage comparison post.... I think pointing out that it's probably our max would suggest on a marquee player would it not? Unless you'd think we'd offer our wage ceiling to anyone.

I've said (again before your wage comparison post), that I believe most of their players are under 20k p/w which is what (again I believe) is below our ceiling. Therefore we're competitive with them.

I've not said anything about us being financially similar, of course, they could probably go out and give someone 50k/60k/70k p/w, but that is not their model at all.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
Not sure why you're getting all patronising but....
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My apologies.

Before your wage comparison post.... I think pointing out that it's probably our max would suggest on a marquee player would it not? Unless you'd think we'd offer our wage ceiling to anyone.

I've said (again before your wage comparison post), that I believe most of their players are under 20k p/w which is what (again I believe) is below our ceiling. Therefore we're competitive with them.
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As I said, we have no way of knowing what individual players earn: your comparison betweem our best played players and their avarage wage is pointless. The only information we have to go in is total wage bill, which there's beats ours by a factor of 3.

I've not said anything about us being financially similar, of course, they could probably go out and give someone 50k/60k/70k p/w, but that is not their model at all.
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If they could offer a player £70k p/w, then why did you say "I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too," originally?
 
Ajax's wage structure is pretty strict: Kluivert reportedly asked for €1.5m per year which would have made him their highest earner. That said, the exposure is higher in the Dutch first division than the English second tier: very few players move anywhere other than within the Championship or the Premier League from the latter but from the former there's well-trodden paths to the Premier League, Serie A, the Bundesliga and La Liga.

That's before you consider the fact that signing for Ajax means playing for one of the most prestigious clubs in Europe and playing in European competitions.
 

Chali 2na said:
If they could offer a player £70k p/w, then why did you say "I'd say we probably can offer as much money as Ajax too," originally?
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Because they don't offer those wages. Like Arsenal, they can afford to pay the likes of Cole, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri etc what they were asking, but they chose not too because it's not within their structure.

Anyway, the discussion is pretty pointless as we won't be getting the guy and he won't be anywhere near Wilders radar :D
 
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