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Mouth of the South said:
Perhaps it's a sign of how much CW's stock has fallen but if you'd asked him 12 months ago about his next job, I would expect him to have said a top 6 Prem club rather than relegation contenders in the Champ.

That said, I'm still not sure Derby would appeal to him - they're in a mess from the repeatedly aborted sale, are still under the threat of a points deduction and therefore relegation, don't own their ground (although I'm not sure whether the asset will be repurchased via any acquisition), their squad is a long way from being good enough to compete at the top end of the division and unless the club are indeed sold and the new owners provide a warchest, there won't be a fortune to spend on new players.

One of the few things going for them however, is a very good Cat 1 academy that has delivered a fair number of decent pros. I'm still not sure that would be enough to persuade CW to join and ultimately stake his reputation on - his next job will be key and determine the level he'll manage at in future. If he does well, he'll become attractive again Prem/top end Champ clubs, if not, he'll spend the rest of his career at lower level clubs.
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I think the big selling points for Derby are proximity (he wouldn't have to move) and the fact they're massively underperforming. The points reduction will mean that keeping them up will be a success. He might see it as a challenge and have the power to have the greater control he seems to want. I doubt he'll get a war chest anywhere in the EFL. There's no money.

I also think he might look at Barnsley as a challenge but their system is obviously a sticking point.
 
I think the well at Derby is poisoned for the next couple of seasons. They could be getting point deductions for the next 3 years given how far behind they are in submitting accounts. Maybe the EFL would accept a compromise to only hit them once but they'd want them relegated for sure.
That's all before we get onto the fact the owner wants out.
 
robbiez666 said:
I think the big selling points for Derby are proximity (he wouldn't have to move) and the fact they're massively underperforming. The points reduction will mean that keeping them up will be a success. He might see it as a challenge and have the power to have the greater control he seems to want. I doubt he'll get a war chest anywhere in the EFL. There's no money.

I also think he might look at Barnsley as a challenge but their system is obviously a sticking point.
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You'd have to say that currently both Derby and Barnsley would be a downgrade from Utd.

I think it very unlikely as the EFL are likely to be timed-out by the start of next season, but any points deduction awarded following appeal, would be applied to last season, hence why their fixtures have been made transferable to Wycombe. Managing Derby in L1 would be even less appealing - at least CW would be able to beat the Massive twice though.
 
Unless Mel Morris manages to sell Derby, Wilder will be going nowhere near. If Wilder thinks that our owners and board interfered, he’s seen nothing yet.

Also, about 90% of Derby’s efforts are going towards fighting the EFL at the moment. I expect to see ex-Ram Darren Moore there at some point, after he gets the boot from the unclean and Rooney gets a more attractive offer. He has an affinity to the club and is amiable enough to let Morris walk all over him.
 
Last season's first half will have poisoned the well for Wilder getting a Premier job. Many will view him as another Phil Brown. While Derby and Barnsley would be a downgrade from Utd, probably the best that is available, if he doesnt take those jobs he'll soon be forgotten and will be looking at Division 2 jobs.
 
90sblade said:
Last season's first half will have poisoned the well for Wilder getting a Premier job. Many will view him as another Phil Brown. While Derby and Barnsley would be a downgrade from Utd, probably the best that is available, if he doesnt take those jobs he'll soon be forgotten and will be looking at Division 2 jobs.
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Basing it on fact and evidence based outputs as opposed to hyperbole - which now we've all moved on (well kind of) - it was the lack of adaptability, creativity and changing in the face of a bad run that will be hampering interest in him.

Bit like Phil Brown (much better comparison than my Ian Holloway) once the momentum and bon hommie had disappeared there wasnt much substance to speak of. Surprises me as upto then Tufty seemed to be tactically right up there.
 
ive always been a big fan of chris wilder and advocated for his appointment 5 years ago but his stubborness in not changing the system when it obviously wasnt working is totally baffling to me and will imo rule him out of any future premier league jobs
 
ancientblade said:
ive always been a big fan of chris wilder and advocated for his appointment 5 years ago but his stubborness in not changing the system when it obviously wasnt working is totally baffling to me and will imo rule him out of any future premier league jobs
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Really did himself a disservice. It’s not as if he was wedded to 5-3-2. Didn’t he play 4-2-3-1 at Northampton.

I get his point that “there is nothing wrong with the system” and I never prescribed that other teams ‘figured us out’.

We simply no longer had the players capable enough to make the system work fit.

He had Burke who, despite his lack of composure, would have been useful in 4-2-3-1 out wide. He had McGoldrick who is made for the central role in that formation.

It wasn’t a huge leap to try something different. What was it Einstein said about trying the same things over and over?
 
Wilder will goto Sunderland if they don't get off to a flyer. It's the perfect fit for him and I'm sure the owners will let him have complete control over transfers.
 
Champagneblade said:
Really did himself a disservice. It’s not as if he was wedded to 5-3-2. Didn’t he play 4-2-3-1 at Northampton.

I get his point that “there is nothing wrong with the system” and I never prescribed that other teams ‘figured us out’.

We simply no longer had the players capable enough to make the system work fit.

He had Burke who, despite his lack of composure, would have been useful in 4-2-3-1 out wide. He had McGoldrick who is made for the central role in that formation.

It wasn’t a huge leap to try something different. What was it Einstein said about trying the same things over and over?
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His ego got in the way. It was a case of him wanting to prove the doubters wrong if it had clicked back into place again with the results. However it was as clear as day to most people that the players who had played that formation so well previously were either unavailable or out of form and thus a change of formation to suit the players who were available / in form was needed.

Stupidity or stubbornness of the highest order not changing it, to see whether that could make a difference. He's clearly not a stupid man but very egotistical and stubborn, so he ended up shooting himself in the foot before he jumped into the lifeboat before the ship went down.

Remember his 'play station managers' comment towards the end...? That's when he lost me as I thought that was incredibly vain and demonstrated a 'I know best so shut up' attitude. In this instance it seems he didn't.

It's a shame that it ended the way it did, but he will have learnt from it I'm sure.
 

Wilder in talks with Fulham according to TS
 
Mojo said:
Would be massively hypocritical to go there after the reasons he gave for leaving us
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Absolutely.

In fairness to Alex Crook he's often right with these things but then again he only said talks.

Wilder may be very unhappy with what he hears or maybe he's realised that if he wants to work higher up he has to accept certain things.
 
Suspect Fulham will use him as a stalking horse in order to land their main target - Cooper!

Apparently the high compo figure for Cooper is proving a stumbling block so if they're unable/unwilling to overcome it, perhaps CW may be an option

Tbf - I wouldn't mind getting paid £2m+/annum and living in Fulham
 
Mouth of the South said:
Suspect Fulham will use him as a stalking horse in order to land their main target - Cooper!

Apparently the high compo figure for Cooper is proving a stumbling block so if they're unable/unwilling to overcome it, perhaps CW may be an option

Tbf - I wouldn't mind getting paid £2m+/annum and living in Fulham
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Do they still have that statue of Michael Jackson?
 
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When asked on his thoughts about Wilder joining Fulham, Michael Jackson just replied with a physical gesture that seemed to imply he isnt impressed
 
As somebody who follows pro wrestling, I’m genuinely fascinated to see how Wilder gets on with Tony Khan. They’ll be “money to be spunked”, no doubt; but how much influence CW would get on how its spent is debatable judging by previous history. And I’m quite sure he’ll soon get fed up with TK being completely wrapped up half way round the world running his wrestling company. He also runs the Jacksonville Jaguars NFL franchise, so thats another distraction.

Basically, imagine if Abdullah put his son in control of United. But his son then also set up a pro wrestling company, lived in America and went on TV, radio, podcasts every week and made himself look like a complete bellend to cater for a very small section of wrestling fans. Oh- and he also had another job running an NFL team. In fact the only time he interacted with Blades fans is on twitter where he made the occasional out of touch comment that he got hammered for.

How would Wilder have reacted to that here?
 
Bladesman said:
Do they still have that statue of Michael Jackson?
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Khan is obviously a basketcase but doesn have plenty of $$$ - perhaps being able to spend a proportion of that would appeal to CW - I can imagine a lively conversation when Khan Jr tries to broker a few deals! Hahaha

Tbh - even being biased having being born and lived in Sheff for >25 years, it doesn't really compare to Fulham & Chelsea. That said, CW will need to be on a decent salary to afford a decent place down there! :)
 

I can't imagine Wilder there as others have said, but if he does go then surely it would only be with the proviso that Wilder has control of transfers, something not achieved previously by former managers, including Jokanovic. Will be interesting if it happens, would imagine he may well try and sign one or two of our current players also.
 
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