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Bladezz said:
Just watched the Alan Biggs YouTube video and in part 1 towards the end they discuss extensions.

Watch the video and make of it what you will. But I see a man who is quite annoyed that there hasn't been a contract offered.
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I think it was quite rightly so put on the back burner until the season had finished . I don't think it's number 1 priority but as Wilder said , it's nice to be wanted .

With being a blade fan , ex player , mates who are blades he has the respect of all fans in Sheffield ( even them from S6 )

McCabe cannot take Wilder for granted as familiarity does breed contempt .

The sooner Wilder gets financially and contractually rewarded the better . We all know a contract means nowt these days in football , but rewards do keep people hungry . Sheffield United need Wilder more than Wilder needs Sheffield United . Nobody is bigger than the club but let's not play with fire or push our luck when it comes to a leader who is rebuilding the club and bringing back pride with success which no amount of money can buy .
 
Bladezz said:
Just watched the Alan Biggs YouTube video and in part 1 towards the end they discuss extensions.

Watch the video and make of it what you will. But I see a man who is quite annoyed that there hasn't been a contract offered.
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Mccabe said when asked that Wilder had got a good contract ,why would he leave when he has not finished the job he dreamed of .
Is there a bit of mischief making here !
Wilder stock would rise enormously by taking us back to the premiership,he would be in demand then.
Would Wilder need to move on I'm sure
M cabe would see him right financially
Wilder would become a legend.
All futuristic ! We shall see,
 
Wasn't the length 3 years when he was appointed? If so then thats still 2 years left on his contract so I don't see the need for mega urgency on this.

I know he's appeared on the bookies managerial lists for some Championship vacancies but I think thats just the bookies being the bookies wanting to give punters another option to bet on.

If push came to shove I think its a tad unrealistic that those clubs who do have a vacancy would actually have CW at the very top of their list and then make an approach. Don't get me wrong I think he will take us far but from their point of view he's never managed at this level and therefore will likely opt for another manager instead.
 
At the risk of being pelted for saying this, but is his stock out side of these four walls that strong.

We know he did a great job, and it took 6 years to get out of that godforesaken division, but most people thought it was only a matter of time. Do none Blades people genuinely rate him that highly?
 
Wasn't there a story saying that when we got promoted his weekly pay was doubled.

Think it came from one of those "insiders" on twitter.

In that case the contract would have benefits built in, instead of having to have the yearly drama of contract negotiations.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
At the risk of being pelted for saying this, but is his stock out side of these four walls that strong.

We know he did a great job, and it took 6 years to get out of that godforesaken division, but most people thought it was only a matter of time. Do none Blades people genuinely rate him that highly?
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Indeed, he has a system of building from the bottom up, lean hungry players with something to prove..
Most of the clubs he has been linked with are nearly the antipathies of what he has been used to, huge budgets, huge player egos, huge disparity in players wages, bunch of foreign prima donnas only there for the wedge.
I might be 100% wrong, but who is to say his current modus operandi would be easily transferable.

I really hope KM/PA never has to reinforce those points to him.
I would hope he realises it too, and just wants a fair wage.
 
We need him more than he needs us? All this lairyness that we won't leave cos he's a Blade, is just condescending bollocks. The man knows his stock value. Meet it or we risk losing him.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
At the risk of being pelted for saying this, but is his stock out side of these four walls that strong.

We know he did a great job, and it took 6 years to get out of that godforesaken division, but most people thought it was only a matter of time. Do none Blades people genuinely rate him that highly?
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199 points in two seasons.
Two successive league titles.
Improved the league position of every club he's ever been with.
Never been sacked by any club due to his consistent record of success.
Ready, willing and very able to work to a realistic budget.

I think it's fair to say that other clubs will have noticed his exceptional track record and rate him highly.
When you look at some of the other rookies/serial failures/journeymen who've been rewarded with managerial jobs in The Championship, it beggars belief that Wilder wouldn't be a prime target.

The key players who excelled last season are to be rewarded with the offer of improved contracts and performance-based incentives.
Chris Wilder is 100 times more important to United than any of these players.
Why would United not offer him (and his staff) the same sort of improved contract and incentives?

We can be sure that other clubs will be willing to pay Championship wages to a Championship manager. It would be risky and just seems unfair to take Wilder's club loyalty for granted.
 
Norderner said:
We need him more than he needs us? All this lairyness that we won't leave cos he's a Blade, is just condescending bollocks. The man knows his stock value. Meet it or we risk losing him.
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Naaaaa, CW will have a progressive contract, much the same has his players, can't see anything rufeling his feathers, also I think it would be wrong for him to say 'hay look what I have done' Chris ain't like that! He's got unfinished business at the Lane and as long as he gets the support and commitment from Kev and the prince that will suffice.
 



If Chris is comtempt at the minute then may as well give it a few months. With out sounding negative, what happens if we're bottom of the league at Christmas? We'd then be paying out even more money
 
After the managerial changes this week (Silva, Monk, Allardyce) I think CW will realise it's not just about money. He's adored by this club, the directors/owners seem to be very 'hands off' and the future looks bright. The only thing that will change is the supporters' attitude to him. If we get off to a bad start, I hope some fans don't get on his back. He'll be under the spotlight next season as never before in his managerial career - especially if the pigs race away from us.

A bit of uncertainty keeps people on their toes. We 'rewarded' Porterfield with a 10 year contract and he was never the same.

If CW does go (and things seem to be going too well for us :)), there's nothing we can do about it. But I don't think he will.
 
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McCabe didn't offer Warnock an improved contract when he took us to the prem. it was one of the main reasons they fell out and why he left ultimately. Hopefully McCabe won't make the same mistake again- but he will.
 
Jon P said:
McCabe didn't offer Warnock an improved contract when he took us to the prem. it was one of the main reasons they fell out and why he left ultimately. Hopefully McCabe won't make the same mistake again- but he will.
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Don't drag that up again....he didn't offer him a contract as he felt we needed a better manager, and to be fair we did.
 
Perhaps other clubs owners have noted Wilders achievements, and are looking at him with loving eyes.
But then the reality sets in for them.....
1. He's at his boyhood club
2. Has a team and set up looking good
3. Is paid very well and in line with most managers around him
4. Is at a club with huge potential to go further

They then decide....no chance, no point trying.


As I keep saying....until one of the genuine big boys come....and I don't mean just a premier league team here either, I mean genuine big boys who are a whole other level with Champions league expectations, then we have nothing to worry about while ever the owners leave him to it to do his job. This club is equally as big as any other side in the championship and most of the premier league.

The only way I could see him going would be if someone at board level decided he was getting to big for his boots and wanted to make the point they were the boss. Bit like Derby with Clough.
Or he feels he has taken us as far as he can under the circumstances set on him....in other words the boards ambition doesn't match his own.
 
Oh, and another thing.

Wilder operates a very tight ship, with his players wages and contracts under tight control. They will be rewarded for success, not for getting nowhere. And I expect contract negotiations with the players will take place when he has his squad settled for the upcoming season.

Wilder was well paid last season and on a good contract, no doubt the largest of his career and probably one of the biggest in the division. He achieved the goal set of him by the board in timely fashion and did the job he was paid to do.
What kind of example would he be to his players if he started demanding a new improved contract now? Do as I say, not as I do!
The single biggest error a boss makes in all walks of life.

Hypocrite he is not.....he will be happy to carry on as he is. If the club choose to offer him improved terms then fine, I'm sure he will look at the deal for him. But he won't be getting his pet lip out to get his own way.
As it is, I suspect the contract he had was put together with numerous little bonus's for success built in. One quite likely a promotion pay rise.
 
Wilder will have been heavily rewarded for promotion and still has two years left on his contract.

There is no club in the Championship or lower Premiership who could entice him away. The top end of the Premiership will not look twice at an English manager with no experience above L1.

Next season is a different matter however. If he can do it again, then we have a problem. The other issue is that managers contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. If another club are willing to pay the compensation payment and the manager wants to leave it doesn't matter if he is on a 2,3 or 10 year contract.
 
We all need to calm down a bit regarding Wilder. Up until last season his managerial career has been underwhelming and has consisted mostly of non-league and league 2 football. OK, he got us out of league 1 but given our budget, facilities and resources that should have been a given years ago.

Now, before you all succumb to rage and launch yourselves at the keyboard, what Wilder's actually done is fulfil United's potential and raised his stock a notch by getting out of this fucking league. What happens next is what will determine Wilders future prospects. If we finish in the play-offs or better then the spotlight will be on him no doubt and the big boys will start (emphasise start) to take notice. If we finish mid-table or lower then both he and United will remain in relative obscurity. In other words no one will give a fuck.

What you have to remember is that United are historically a respected club and most football fans outside of Sheffield would expect to see them in a better position than they have been for the past 7 years. The recent promotion would have been looked upon as an "about fucking time" rather than "cor that Wilder must be a reight manager".

So sit down and relax, Wilder's going nowhere, he's still got something to prove yet.
 
Norderner said:
We need him more than he needs us? All this lairyness that we won't leave cos he's a Blade, is just condescending bollocks. The man knows his stock value. Meet it or we risk losing him.
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Why would a top end Championship, Premiership club take a punt on a manager who has never managed above L1? At the moment he will be getting well paid and rewarded for the job he is doing.
My worry is if he continues to push forward at the next level. That is when i will start to worry.
 
Grizzly blade said:
What kind of example would he be to his players if he started demanding a new improved contract now? Do as I say, not as I do!
The single biggest error a boss makes in all walks of life.
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I agree with that couldn't imagine him demanding a new contract, but another way of looking at it is we have a manager here who has so massively overachieved, not just with the promotion and the manner of it, but also in terms of the squad overhaul, rebuilding the relationship with the fans, attendances etc (he brings more than just great football to a club as the Cobbler's can vouch for) , that you might expect someone would want to offer something more now to secure his and Knilly's services longer term.

Watching that interview there obviously is something a bit uncomfortable about the subject.
 
If CW wants a new contract the only people that will be informed are the owners. It won't be done in public. It's not his style.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Don't drag that up again....he didn't offer him a contract as he felt we needed a better manager, and to be fair we did.
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Good point, still McCabe did neither and we went down then Warnock went! (I'm reading Warnocks book at mo and that chapter particularly grinded my gears sorry) Anyway, best not to go there haha!
 



It's quite funny, us Blades putting Wilder on a pedestal, thinking he's the next Mourinho.

Imagine if Mcacabe gives him a lucrative contract and we lose our first 3 games next season.
You can bet there will be cries for "Wilder out" and many will say "When will McCabe ever learn".

Also what if we treble his wage?
Still doesn't stop PL clubs coming in and doubling whatever massive pay rise we give him.

Wilder is forever going on about paying players what they are worth, waiting for success then giving them rewards. If Wilder gets us promoted to the PL then we can give him a massive pay rise.

Also and I keep saying this.
League 1, league 2 and non league football doesn't really register with the ordinary football fan.
Fans in general aren't impressed with Wilders cv, he's still not that will known nationally.

I'll give you a good example.
Imagine if Wilder left and we were looking for a new manager.
Imagine the reaction if we appointed Mark Cooper. His cv has similarities to Wilders, young promising manager. He's done a fantastic job and getting Forest Green Rovers promoted
But our fans would be seriously underwhelmed.

Wilder is gauranteed work for years in the lower divisions but I really doubt any Championship would take the big risk to appoint him when you consider he's a total novice spending almost his whole 15 years career in league 2 and the non league. So Blades are over reacting if we think he's in such demand.

At present Wilder is still our secret and relatively unknown.
it's how he copes in the Championship where he'll get the publicity where other fans will judge him.
 
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