Crowds allowed into grounds in October..

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LYDON said:
From what was said on the CSS Phone-In, ST holders at Celtic Park that will be allowed in to the ground will be told where to sit.
They won't be able to just go to the seat they've bought.

This sounds like the norm that will happen at the grounds throughout Scotland. Maybe England too?
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Yeah not sure anyone will have their normal seat. You might get to choose a stand but it will be an area. No idea how they will work it though. They could just put crosses on seats you can't sit on but then how do families...young children sit with parents etc? It will be an administrative nightmare. Not sure fans will stick to it sadly and then stewards get in arguments etc. Who proves who is with each family member etc...it's going to be a right old fiasco however they do it? Don't envy the clubs at all. Which is as I say I'm not getting too excited about it...We may each get to 2 or 3 games in the next 12 months and it will be a sterile environment with maybe only 2 or 3 groups of fans on your row and then a few rows down or above you. Be very odd.

I'm very much of the everyone back or no-one but know that is unrealistic and unsafe. Just wish we could somehow fast forward to 21-22 or whenever it may be and everyone be back attending home and away but even that seems unlikely. Football is not going to be the same for quite a few years and whatever people views on the virus, the world is reacting quite similarly to sporting crowds with no-one going at most games and reduced crowds to be the norm for a fairly long period you would think when crowds are allowed back.

It's crap but the govts will cite the Atalanta/Liverpool/Cheltenham fall out from big crowds albeit at the tip of the pandemic in March. I always said sports/theatre/pop concerts would be the last to get back to normal as although important to the economy they will see these things right at the bottom of priorities and the large numbers of crowds close together at such events from things fairly non essential...is not a risk many govts round the world seem willing to take anytime soon and all are treading carefully.
 
bromtom said:
Everyone should take responsibility though by wearing a mask in public.

If everyone would do that, the people who are at greater risk wouldn't be prisoners in their own homes and things would get there.

While people at high risk should be careful, they still need to and should be able to go outside/have a life. If the 'not at risk' people take no responsibility they'll pass it on to the at risk people even if they're taking responsibility for themselves and masking up etc.

Everyone together takes responsibility or nothing will get better.
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I respect your point of view and I think you’re being very responsible. If everyone thought like you the risk would be much reduced.

But I think you are over estimating the protection from mask wearing. It’s of little or no relevance in outdoor spaces. it may have some marginal benefit if people are together in confined spaces indoors for a considerable period of time. But even that isn’t certain because all the evidence so far is based on contaminated patients, not on the general population.

I posted the latest update on this the other day - the biggest study so far, published in The Lancet.

It concludes that mask wearing, by itself, is not offering protection. If combined with other infection control measures it may have a marginal benefit.

It also mentions the virus can enter via the eyes. A mask does nothing about that.

These are the facts.

So what do you propose?

Should we mummify ourselves and stay in for fear of contracting something that will do no serious harm to 99.5% of the population, or should we just get back to work and take our chance, save the economy, save lives that will be lost to other causes, save jobs, save livelihoods, avoid the biggest threat to life as we have ever known it?
 
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Cerberus Blade said:
1 in 150 is not the mortality rate for a start.

I was just going to respond similarly to Geordie Blade but you beat me to it.

And all respect to Geordie Blade btw, but he’s reflecting what the majority of people are thinking.
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I am an epidemiologist, so thanks for the lesson :) As you will have seen, 1 in 150 is the infection fatality rate (IFR), not the “mortality rate” (no such measure really exists).
 
No away fans all season
This shit is going to far now its not been a pandemic for months now
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I respect your point of view and I think you’re being very responsible. If everyone thought like you the risk would be much reduced.

But I think you are over estimating the protection from mask wearing. It’s of little or no relevance in outdoor spaces. it may have some marginal benefit if people are together in confined spaces indoors for a considerable period of time. But even that isn’t certain because all the evidence so far is based on contaminated patients, not on the general population.

I posted the latest update on this the other day - the biggest study so far, published in The Lancet.

It concludes that mask wearing, by itself, is not offering protection. If combined with other infection control measures it may have a marginal benefit.

It also mentions the virus can enter via the eyes. A mask does nothing about that.

These are the facts.

So what do you propose?

Should we mummify ourselves and stay in for fear of contracting something that will do no serious harm to 99.5% of the population, or should we just get back to work and take our chance, save the economy, save lives that will be lost to other causes, save jobs, save livelihoods, avoid the biggest threat to life as we have ever known it?
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It can enter your eyes yes, but wearing a mask significantly reduces the projection of the droplets that carry the virus, which means if everyone wears a mask it's not likely to enter through your eyes.

Even if it's only a small help, why the resistance? It's something? Put a bit of cloth on your face for a bit, it's not that hard and it's not that uncomfortable.
 
LYDON said:
Listening to the Clyde Super Scoreboard Phone-In tonight, it looks like Celtic v Motherwell next Saturday (29th August)
will be a test-run for allowing supporters into the stadium. Date in Scotland is set for September 14th for letting supporters
into grounds with possibly a limit of 20% of the capacity.
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Let me guess....

Rangers fans were phoning in foaming at the mooth!? 😆
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
We’ve not really had 100,000 fans crossing the country every week, mainly on public transport though have we?
No away fans in the higher leagues seems an obvious and sensible position for this season.
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What about fans of clubs who don’t live in the city/town of their club? Should we not allow fans who live outside Sheffield into Bramall Lane?

If we’re limiting the number of fans into stadiums, I don’t see why it’s an increased risk allowing away fans in as there will be thousands of home fans travelling the country to attend matches anyway.
 
YES Blade said:
What about fans of clubs who don’t live in the city/town of their club? Should we not allow fans who live outside Sheffield into Bramall Lane?

If we’re limiting the number of fans into stadiums, I don’t see why it’s an increased risk allowing away fans in as there will be thousands of home fans travelling the country to attend matches anyway.
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The numbers travelling in your example aren’t going to be near the 100,000 mark.
 
I’ve had enough now and sick of being told “but people are dying” and “what if it was one of your family members” and “you’re selfish for wanting a life” just fuckoff!

Why can’t as someone suggested above let Football fans have a say if they’re prepared to take a risk? There have been countless examples of crowds gathering since April with fuck all consequences Bournemouth beach, VE Day, various protests and statue demos, football fans congregating, even countless illegal raves!

If the media blanket banned reporting of Covid barely any fucker would know it exists.

Think someone needs to start a movement to get us back, you’re going to have the ridiculous scenario of 8k in ground and pubs round city centres bursting with people watching game, what’s the difference.

What a load of horse shit.
 
LS26BLADE said:
I’ve had enough now and sick of being told “but people are dying” and “what if it was one of your family members” and “you’re selfish for wanting a life” just fuckoff!

Why can’t as someone suggested above let Football fans have a say if they’re prepared to take a risk? There have been countless examples of crowds gathering since April with fuck all consequences Bournemouth beach, VE Day, various protests and statue demos, football fans congregating, even countless illegal raves!

If the media blanket banned reporting of Covid barely any fucker would know it exists.

Think someone needs to start a movement to get us back, you’re going to have the ridiculous scenario of 8k in ground and pubs round city centres bursting with people watching game, what’s the difference.

What a load of horse shit.
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It's almost as if the precautions being taken are shown to be working

. Schools back in a couple of weeks. If all goes well limited fans from October and then slowly more and more. It's prudent to do it in phases to see what we can do.

Of course some people are impatient toddlers who will stamp and scream but most of us are adults.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
It's almost as if the precautions being taken are shown to be working

. Schools back in a couple of weeks. If all goes well limited fans from October and then slowly more and more. It's prudent to do it in phases to see what we can do.

Of course some people are impatient toddlers who will stamp and scream but most of us are adults.
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Yes very impatient I basically want to get back to the lane doing something I’ve done for nigh on 40 years.
 

LS26BLADE said:
Yes very impatient I basically want to get back to the lane doing something I’ve done for nigh on 40 years.
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I feel the same but we've just got to be patient and things will slowly get back to.normal
I don't understand why we just can't do it now like but it is what it is
 
Be interesting how the club deal with the numbers of a strict low max capacity.

There will be a notable number as a percentage of 8 or 9 thousand that don't have season tickets who will get priority over long term season ticket holders.
 
Davalon said:
Be interesting how the club deal with the numbers of a strict low max capacity.

There will be a notable number as a percentage of 8 or 9 thousand that don't have season tickets who will get priority over long term season ticket holders.
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Which is why I believe the loyalty points system will be used as there are currently no season ticket holders. Probably games sold in groups of 3/4 games with you being allowed to purchase one ticketing those group of games. Club will tell fans where they are sitting
 
bartman said:
Which is why I believe the loyalty points system will be used as there are currently no season ticket holders. Probably games sold in groups of 3/4 games with you being allowed to purchase one ticketing those group of games. Club will tell fans where they are sitting
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Quite possibly but my thinking is more around how many tickets go to people who aren't 'fans' as such.

We saw it at Stoke and Bournemouth.

We've had at least double the number of season ticket holders to what the initial capacity will be come October for years.

How many tickets will actually be available to long term season ticket holders as opposed to the official capacity.
 
LS26BLADE said:
I’ve had enough now and sick of being told “but people are dying” and “what if it was one of your family members” and “you’re selfish for wanting a life” just fuckoff!

Why can’t as someone suggested above let Football fans have a say if they’re prepared to take a risk? There have been countless examples of crowds gathering since April with fuck all consequences Bournemouth beach, VE Day, various protests and statue demos, football fans congregating, even countless illegal raves!

If the media blanket banned reporting of Covid barely any fucker would know it exists.

Think someone needs to start a movement to get us back, you’re going to have the ridiculous scenario of 8k in ground and pubs round city centres bursting with people watching game, what’s the difference.

What a load of horse shit.
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“CORONAVIRUS is not as deadly as was thought and the public fear that is stopping the country returning to normal is unfounded, a leading expert says. Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based medicine at Oxford University, called for the government to intervene and "proactively reassure the population".
 
Apologies for being a harbinger of doom. Having spent the last four weeks trying to advise on access for visitors into Care Homes I've come to the conclusion that the whole process of trying to manage Covid 19 secure environments is disappearing fast under a sea of bureaucracy.

Attached is the Governments latest guidelines on getting spectators back into elite sports stadiums which includes premiership football. This is similar to the type of documentation I have been having to review for Social Care. Don't expect anyone to read through it all but the sheer scale of what Clubs are being asked to consider will have an impact on what they can realistically put in place in the relatively short timescales available.

Even when the Club are able to get the stadium Covid secure they will have to stand the test of SAG and will be at the mercy of local Public Health England Protection teams for deciding whether spectators can attend owing to local infection rates. There is the distinct possibility that we will continue to be excluded from games should the LHPT's deem it unsafe even in situations where ticket sales have taken place. There is little or no information available in the public domain currently as to what parameters these LHPT's are working to in coming to their decisions. So in summary even if you are lucky enough to acquire a ticket for a game there is a risk you may still be prevented from attending.

www.gov.uk

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
Addison said:
Apologies for being a harbinger of doom. Having spent the last four weeks trying to advise on access for visitors into Care Homes I've come to the conclusion that the whole process of trying to manage Covid 19 secure environments is disappearing fast under a sea of bureaucracy.

Attached is the Governments latest guidelines on getting spectators back into elite sports stadiums which includes premiership football. This is similar to the type of documentation I have been having to review for Social Care. Don't expect anyone to read through it all but the sheer scale of what Clubs are being asked to consider will have an impact on what they can realistically put in place in the relatively short timescales available.

Even when the Club are able to get the stadium Covid secure they will have to stand the test of SAG and will be at the mercy of local Public Health England Protection teams for deciding whether spectators can attend owing to local infection rates. There is the distinct possibility that we will continue to be excluded from games should the LHPT's deem it unsafe even in situations where ticket sales have taken place. There is little or no information available in the public domain currently as to what parameters these LHPT's are working to in coming to their decisions. So in summary even if you are lucky enough to acquire a ticket for a game there is a risk you may still be prevented from attending.

www.gov.uk

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Crikey. That document makes for dismal reading, and no mistake.

The time and effort, and therefore the cost, of planning and implementing all of those requirements satisfactorily will be daunting to some clubs—especially below Prem level, where the importance of gate money will produce the most pressure to get crowds, even small ones, back in grounds.

Putting yourself in the club’s shoes, the most concerning thing would be the volume of requirements that can only be met by liaison/agreement with multiple third parties elsewhere in the town centre and the city more widely. This includes much of what’s outlined in the section titled “Circulation“, and plenty more besides.

In effect, taking what’s said at face value, if a risk is identified by a given business or organisation beyond the club (e.g, if it’s argued that getting crowds to the ground might make buses or trams Covid-unsafe for anyone, football fan or not), then crowds in grounds won‘t be allowed.

The regular references to oversight by SAG just makes my heart sink. The number of boxes clubs will need to tick gives SAGs throughout the country almost unlimited rope with which to hang any club they fancy.

The only glimpse of any light in is the bit about the need for General Safety Certificates if grounds are to be seen as Covid-safe—pretty much an open invitation to laugh at 🐷
 
raimond said:
Whoever was at the infamous Port Vale home match under Heath, that was 8,900 wasn't it? Or 65,000 if you believe every f***er that says they were
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I'm a West Sussex exile since 94, only get to a handful of games a season.
I was there!
 


That was yesterday.

This is today.



Will the Conservative Government be wanting trials at English grounds?
What level will they start at?
Can anyone accept that spectators may not be allowed into stadiums this season?
 

I am moving into everyone back or no one back camp. 6k fans spaced out around the ground will create about as much atmosphere as no one in there. That’s before the bad blood that will ensue from however they decide on who is going to get the tickets.
 
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