Crowds allowed into grounds in October..

[ghandi]

The clubs wanted to implement an ifollow model this season but Sky, BT, and Amazon vetoed it. Now I know illegal streams are available but they are not 100% reliable and only the other day The Premier League were once again threatening Internet Service Providers for not blocking access.

Doesn't matter if the ISPs try to block access as long as you use a VPN.

 

[Cardero]

Deleted post as I promised myself I would try and never post about loyalty points...

 

[Pedro Verde]

You answered your own question twice, plus the fact many won't be interested under the current restrictions.

Assuming they don't open it up to general sale and it's renewals only, there would be far fewer sold than last season.

Redundancies probably a couple of hundred at a guess probably same for serious health conditions
That would not be far fewer sold than last season

 

[Ranmoorblade]

Loyalty points have also been used for home tickets, but that's not the point anyway. How else can it be done if there are no season ticket holders?

How are you going to go with family members when each has a different amount of points? It will be done on last years season tickets and memberships I would expect.

 

[184blade]

How are you going to go with family members when each has a different amount of points? It will be done on last years season tickets and memberships I would expect.

Exactly, Middlesbrough are asking supporters to link their online accounts to make up family groups of up to six, which suggests their crowds being rotated family groups.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

It would make sense if we are to allocate tickets on the basis that ST holders go to 1 game in say 3 to do it by stand
Say John St and half the Kop then South Stand and other half of Kop etc That way it keeps families and mates together

The trouble with that is that we would be compressing our assumed 8900 allocation, or whatever it is, into about half the available space.

Best to spread everybody around the whole ground and I include the whole of the Lane end.

I wouldn't allow away fans at any matches this season, give all the available capacity to home fans.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I don't have an issue games being rotated around ST holders from last year.

To be honest I am quite apathetic about the whole thing. As long as I can get my season ticket/keep it for when they will actually be proper season tickets...not a handful of games...I am not that bothered what they do. Sad to feel like that but we are essentially battling to be in a league cup type style crowd for a handful of games?

Basically if they rotated around then it would mean if there are say 14/15 games left and 8,000 ish allowed in...then we'd all get to see 1 in 3 games so like 5 games maximum next season.

The alternative is they just give the 8,000 tickets to those with 45,000 points or more but then the same fans see 15 games. As others have said I feel loyalty points are more for away games.

It's going to be administrative nightmare too as fans will want to go with mates. Sadly those who sit with mates may be scuppered more than those who want to go with family they live with. The govt rules as they stand suggest you won't be able to turn up and sit with your mates. Policing it will be hard too.

To be honest I've seen clubs selling season tickets or talking about raffles or lottery draws but the reality the govt will decide when and how much and much of the specifics. The clubs will be at the mercy of them.

To be honest I've wrote next season off. If I get to go to 4 or 5 games I will see it as a bonus and I'll go but we won't be going to away games for at least a year and the stadium wont be full for at least a year maybe a couple of seasons. We will effectively be in Carabao cup type crowd/atmosphere for a good period. Also, we will have to attend when they say and leave when they say...times via a clear entrance/exit (be controlled), show ID etc to get in along with your ticket and no congregating on concourses / refreshments in the ground and probably have to piss when they say! It's not the most appealing prospect. It's a bit like when everyone was getting so excited for the behind closed doors stuff and within a week everyone realised it was a bit shit. Better than nothing but still crap.

Be the same with this. I personally would rather wait until we can all go back but know that won't be for years and pubs need the money. Is anyone really excited about the prospect of going back in the circumstances we will? Not sure it will be that much better than watching it on the pub with your mates but may be that's just me.

Spot on there, Deaders.

You're right about being apathetic as well.

For the the first time ever, I've felt no excitement on the publication of the new season's fixtures.

If season tickets do go on sale, I'll buy one just to keep the seat I've had since the new JSS opened, but I won't be begging to be amongst the first to be allowed in.

 

[Pedro Verde]

The trouble with that is that we would be compressing our assumed 8900 allocation, or whatever it is, into about half the available space.

Best to spread everybody around the whole ground and I include the whole of the Lane end.

I wouldn't allow away fans at any matches this season, give all the available capacity to home fans.

I meant allow ST holders from these stands in but you would obviously have to spread them around the ground
Away fans will be excluded until capacity is at least 80%

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I meant allow ST holders from these stands in but you would obviously have to spread them around the ground
Away fans will be excluded until capacity is at least 80%

Ah, got you.

Just wish they'd get o with deciding.

Mind you, until HMG declares the rules, there's no point the club making any ST announcements is there?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

How about this.

Abandon ST sales for next season but guarantee existing ST holders their seat for 2021/22 if they choose to renew.

Then, let everybody on our database go to at least 1 home match, starting with the top 8900 LP holders, then the next 8900 LP holders until everybody has been to 1 game. If there are games games left, just start again at the top, or, just allow dads and kids together for the remainder of the matches, depending how many are left.

I've no idea how many we have on it but if we don't have more than 8900 x 19=169,000 then everybody will get to see 1 match, regardless of loyalty points

Or summat like.

 

[Working Class Hero]

How are you going to go with family members when each has a different amount of points? It will be done on last years season tickets and memberships I would expect.

You could say exactly that about any game that's ever been allocated by loyalty points.

It's not easy whichever way you do it. Even last year's season ticket holders creates a massive problem trying to get family members together. Who picks where they sit?

 

[Kop sufferer]

My idea is to have bubbles.

You can amalgamate your ST holders in groups of up to 4, but each ST holder is only permitted to be in one bubble. They are them permitted to be seated together during the match.



Then a ballot is conducted for every game, if one of the ST holders in a particular bubble is selected then everyone in that bubble tickets.

For the first game everyone goes on to the draw with an equal chance of getting a ticket

For the second game it is seeded. The bubbles that didn’t get to attend the first game get drawn out first and then after they have all been drawn it goes to the next set.

Then all subsequent games are drawn out using a seeding method dependent on the number of games attended.

It’s quite a straightforward method, allows friends who have been going together for years to stay together, and boxes off the family members staying together problem.

Nothing will decided on loyalty points which in this instance means that through nobody’s fault that demand outstrips supply, and in this case I strongly feel the chance to attend games should be equally shared out. I’m on 52k points btw and up until he got stopped from going was guaranteed every away game.

Season tickets are sold at the start of the season and a pro-rata rebate/discount on the 2021/22 season ticket is issued at the end of the season, and season tickets are only available as renewals

With the non ST holders, a small number of tickets is held back for people to go in to a ballot for using the same rules as for the ST holders. They then could be using the Bramall Lane lower.

it’s a bit of a long winded and convoluted idea but one I think is fair and will work

Think you may have the basic format of a decent idea there Zip, if all the different prices of the different ground sections were averaged out into one ST price and we the existing ST holders organised our selves into blocks of 6 = 3 in front 3 behind for instance, let the computer figure out the selection of blocks per game in blocks divided into 8900 how would that pan out mathematically, would a block get to see 3 games? Just a thought to chew on

 

[Working Class Hero]

Redundancies probably a couple of hundred at a guess probably same for serious health conditions
That would not be far fewer sold than last season

What about the third reason? It would not be a case of 1 in 3/4 games, I guarantee it.

 

[Deadbat]

Ah, got you.

Just wish they'd get o with deciding.

Mind you, until HMG declares the rules, there's no point the club making any ST announcements is there?

That's the thing...why do they need to get on with it or decide? Nobody knows how many fans or when so beats me why teams are selling Season Tickets? They are saying they will be valid for future seasons but it might be years before stadiums are fully opened up. Seems clubs just want the money for a product they cant even offer. I get they are businesses but not sure you'd pay say a grand for a holiday where the flighrs are not running/accomodation to say Disney Land and it is not available per say (bad example as know you can go abroad to places) and they will just keep it for you for when you could go in a few years but no idea when it will be or even if you can have the full holiday?!

When fans are allowed in reduced crowds they will look at a system so hopefully as many of us go to at least a few games but we are talking a handful of games maximum between now and next August if it us done fairly to allow families to attend together etc.

It's not like they need to even sell season tickets really. They should sell or do renewals when they can fill 20,000+ and do it based on 19-20 seats and guarantee people their seats if they want them for 21-22 or whenever full crowds are back.

For this coming season though I feel they should just rotate games with a small number of games for every 19-20 ST holder/member. I think just giving the 8,000 or whatever it will be to those with the most points (I'd be one of those) is not the right way to go about it and would make it a very closed shop. Fans would rotate seats around anyway without strong ID checks. I think give every one the chance to see a match or two.

As someone who goes to all the home games and two thirds away so like 30 games a season I am not going to lose any sleep over a few games we may attend in the next 12 months. If I get to go to some great but if not I'll not be as devastated as I thought I might be.

Some of those who have been to every game home and away for years and have 60,000 points plus won't like it but under the system above they will have to miss maybe half or two thirds of the games. I am sure they will argue they should see more or all the games but we are talking maybe 13-15 home games possibly by the time we get back. I would rather the 30-35,000 ST holders/members see maybe a few games each and it be rotated. This keeps a larger majority of our fan base happy too and families can attend otherwise you are going to have a lot of older fans and predominantly the sane fans at every game...also not sure that works if the govt are asking us to keep in family bubbles etc.

Be weird not being at the ground for games when others are but that would still be fairer. Just my opinion.

I can't see it being till towards the end of October at earliest as only just opened up small crowds at non league so a huge jump to even go to 10,000-20,000.

As I say going to games with league cup style gates and atmospheres with set entry/exit and a good bulk of pals who won't be able to go/meet is going to be nowhere near the same but it is better than nothing.

Just hope by 21-22 season we may be close to capacity. I do think it may be a few years before away fans are allowed back sadly.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

That's the thing...why do they need to get on with it or decide? Nobody knows how many fans or when so beats me why teams are selling Season Tickets? They are saying they will be valid for future seasons but it might be years before stadiums are fully opened up. Seems clubs just want the money for a product they cant even offer. I get they are businesses but not sure you'd pay say a grand for a holiday where the flighrs are not running/accomodation to say Disney Land and it is not available per say (bad example as know you can go abroad to places) and they will just keep it for you for when you could go in a few years but no idea when it will be or even if you can have the full holiday?!

When fans are allowed in reduced crowds they will look at a system so hopefully as many of us go to at least a few games but we are talking a handful of games maximum between now and next August if it us done fairly to allow families to attend together etc.

It's not like they need to even sell season tickets really. They should sell or do renewals when they can fill 20,000+ and do it based on 19-20 seats and guarantee people their seats if they want them for 21-22 or whenever full crowds are back.

For this coming season though I feel they should just rotate games with a small number of games for every 19-20 ST holder/member. I think just giving the 8,000 or whatever it will be to those with the most points (I'd be one of those) is not the right way to go about it and would make it a very closed shop. Fans would rotate seats around anyway without strong ID checks. I think give every one the chance to see a match or two.

As someone who goes to all the home games and two thirds away so like 30 games a season I am not going to lose any sleep over a few games we may attend in the next 12 months. If I get to go to some great but if not I'll not be as devastated as I thought I might be.

Some of those who have been to every game home and away for years and have 60,000 points plus won't like it but under the system above they will have to miss maybe half or two thirds of the games. I am sure they will argue they should see more or all the games but we are talking maybe 13-15 home games possibly by the time we get back. I would rather the 30-35,000 ST holders/members see maybe a few games each and it be rotated. This keeps a larger majority of our fan base happy too and families can attend otherwise you are going to have a lot of older fans and predominantly the sane fans at every game...also not sure that works if the govt are asking us to keep in family bubbles etc.

Be weird not being at the ground for games when others are but that would still be fairer. Just my opinion.

I can't see it being till towards the end of October at earliest as only just opened up small crowds at non league so a huge jump to even go to 10,000-20,000.

As I say going to games with league cup style gates and atmospheres with set entry/exit and a good bulk of pals who won't be able to go/meet is going to be nowhere near the same but it is better than nothing.

Just hope by 21-22 season we may be close to capacity. I do think it may be a few years before away fans are allowed back sadly.

Good points well made.

Regarding loyalty points, I wouldn't imagine they will be issuing any this season so status quo for next season, anyway.

I'm sure those of us in the top bracket of LPs won't object to the sparse availability of the product being shared around fairly.

This being the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire of course

 

[Blade56]

There are no season tickets on sale and we dont know who would have renewed so the only fair way would be to use loyalty points

Said it before so I’ll repeat I think the club should put season tickets on sale to get revenue in, see how many ST‘s there are and give game credits off future ST purchases.
We've had the debate lots of people who hardly go to matches farm out their ST’s to away travellers and get loyalty points.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Love the ground to be full and include away fans but New year at v earliest.

I think the atmosphere will be far better than cup games with 8k there. There’s more at stake and everyone there will be really happy to attend rather than an element of habit/lack of excitement for the cup games

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Who'd want to claim to have watched that shit?

It was 8965, and I was there!!

So was I but I was like .....

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Think you may have the basic format of a decent idea there Zip, if all the different prices of the different ground sections were averaged out into one ST price and we the existing ST holders organised our selves into blocks of 6 = 3 in front 3 behind for instance, let the computer figure out the selection of blocks per game in blocks divided into 8900 how would that pan out mathematically, would a block get to see 3 games? Just a thought to chew on

I don't know what you've been chewing but can I have some please?

 

[Greenblades]

Now that’s a challenge! Who can get a picture of being at the game. Subtle Pink shirt on and all that ! Might as well be positive !

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I don't think I'll bother. It would be nice to go back, but I'm not going to start wetting the bed every time I can't go. Can't be bothered with the arguing it will inevitably cause.

My idea?

19 games, first 12 games based on month you were born, so game 1 January birthdays, 2nd game February etc etc.

The inevitable "I go with my kid who was born in August" argument will arise. Its not a perfect system. Nothing will be. The january man can take his kids or grandkids. Those kids are then removed from the rota until they can go back on the 13th game.

Summat like that

I was born on the cusp of September and October so that will work for me. That’s 24 games then

 

[Cerberus Blade]

You suggestion is total logic.....don’t see why it can’t be implemented.
I went to Llandudno in North Wales last weekend. It was a real eye opener, hardly anyone wearing masks, even inside shops they weren’t required.
The pier and beaches were full....I’d say 10% wore masks.

I went to Butcher and Catch restaurant at Broomhill 3 weeks ago....fantastic meal but not a single mask anywhere
and the tables were quite close together too. It was great....seemed exactly the same as pre lockdown.
Restaurants and pubs open for a few weeks now....no increase in hospitalisations or deaths but this isn’t being reported.
Instead the media are still highlighting cases who have had a rough time with covid promoting more fear.

I’m over 50 and more than willing to return to a full stadium with respect for the virus but no fear.
I respect that some people are still scared and want to stay at home....so let people like me take part in this experiment to rebuild the country.

Couldn’t agree more!

This is what is needed because the sooner people see others out and about and integrating in society, back in offices, shops, restaurants, the better. It’s going to take months to restore social activities to a fraction of what they were previously because people are scared - unnecessarily now.

I went in John Lewis today. It was deserted. Assistant said, “everybody’s buying stuff online now”. Well, that’s true to some extent, but it’s not the whole story. It’s a combination of people being confused by the communications about the threat from the virus, fear of catching it, and just generally not being able to have the same enjoyable experience when you do go out, so it’s apathy as well, like...”Why bother if this is what it’s going to be like?”.

I think that’s really damaging. If we are not careful we’ll kill our city centres and businesses. And it will never get back to what it was. And for what? A risk from a virus that is now a lower risk than before lockdown started

What the hell is going on?

Thanks for the mention of Butcher & Catch btw. I’ve never actually been there but I might give that a go next week before the eat out offer stops.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Listening to the Clyde Super Scoreboard Phone-In tonight, it looks like Celtic v Motherwell next Saturday (29th August)
will be a test-run for allowing supporters into the stadium. Date in Scotland is set for September 14th for letting supporters
into grounds with possibly a limit of 20% of the capacity.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I’m being devil’s advocate here, but it wouldn’t really be ‘fine’ for the 1 in 150 or so people who die, would it?

1 in 150 is not the mortality rate for a start.

Wow.....you’re figure are way out....its an example of irrational panic and fear...currently 1 in 6,000,000 are dying.
Under Cerberus experiment.....even with a 600% increase in deaths....that still means the risk is 1 in million.

It’s not meant to sound callus but life is a risk....risk is everywhere...it can’t be stopped.
Facts show that the risk is so minuscule that surely it’s worth the experiment.

I was just going to respond similarly to Geordie Blade but you beat me to it.

And all respect to Geordie Blade btw, but he’s reflecting what the majority of people are thinking. They are totally confused and ignorant of the risk.

If people are thinking that 1 in every 150 of us are going to die from this thing then it’s no surprise at all that we are in the state we are in.

It’s not fine for anyone to die, but we all will sometime, of something.

Those at increased risk of dying from Covid-19 should take responsibility for themselves and avoid situations that may put them at further increased risk. But that doesn’t mean life should stop for everyone else, because if it does then those same people who are at high risk of Covid-19 are going to have their risk of death accrelrated by other factors.

As I said, if people are concerned then don’t go to the game - simple as. But some of us want to and at 62 years old I think there’s about as much chance of me catching Covid-19 by going to a match as there is of me being struck by lightning. And I’m happy to go out in a storm.

 

[bromtom]

1 in 150 is not the mortality rate for a start.

I was just going to respond similarly to Geordie Blade but you beat me to it.

And all respect to Geordie Blade btw, but he’s reflecting what the majority of people are thinking. They are totally confused and ignorant of the risk.

If people are thinking that 1 in every 150 of us are going to die from this thing then it’s no surprise at all that we are in the state we are in.

It’s not fine for anyone to die, but we all will sometime, of something.

Those at increased risk of dying from Covid-19 should take responsibility for themselves and avoid situations that may put them at further increased risk. But that doesn’t mean life should stop for everyone else, because if it does then those same people who are at high risk of Covid-19 are going to have their risk of death accrelrated by other factors.

Everyone should take responsibility though by wearing a mask in public.

If everyone would do that, the people who are at greater risk wouldn't be prisoners in their own homes and things would get there.

While people at high risk should be careful, they still need to and should be able to go outside/have a life. If the 'not at risk' people take no responsibility they'll pass it on to the at risk people even if they're taking responsibility for themselves and masking up etc.

Everyone together takes responsibility or nothing will get better.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Everyone should take responsibility though by wearing a mask in public.

If everyone would do that, the people who are at greater risk wouldn't be prisoners in their own homes and things would get there.

While people at high risk should be careful, they still need to and should be able to go outside/have a life. If the 'not at risk' people take no responsibility they'll pass it on to the at risk people even if they're taking responsibility for themselves and masking up etc.

Everyone together takes responsibility or nothing will get better.

Wearing a mask in confined spaces in close proximity with others is fair enough, there may be some small benefit in that. In public? Outside? No.

 

[breeny]

Or maybe season ticket holders will be rotated and go to one in every two or three games?

this

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

From what was said on the CSS Phone-In, ST holders at Celtic Park that will be allowed in to the ground will be told where to sit.
They won't be able to just go to the seat they've bought.

This sounds like the norm that will happen at the grounds throughout Scotland. Maybe England too?

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

So was I but I was like .....

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